eddyb Chief Train Controller


Thought I would start a specific Parrahub thread  http://www.parrahub.org.au/


Although this is a bit off thread I think some people would be interested in my Parrahub trailerbus design  http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=a892b3b9845d5928d1ddd31a12669bb7&prevstart=0  that could provide a free service in place of trams in the CBD

There would be no tickets needed and with the whole side lowered there would be little dwell time for passengers with unlimited bikes, electric scooters, wheelchairs,  prams and even shopping trolleys to board or exit.

The trailerbus would not stop at every 400m bus stop but only when the buzzer was pressed or the driver waved down so with one every bus leaving every minute I would imagine that to be every three or four stops.

Battery powered prime movers would be quite possible as they use one on the container wharf in America and we used old battery powered locos in the mine that would last the whole shift. These days they have battery technology that recharges the batteries a bit when you are stopping.

There would have to be cameras on the one ramp door but even then passengers would have to use the same self discipline as they do standing behind the yellow line at stations or may get hurt in nearly the same way.

Even if the prime mover was diesel powered there would be little noise in the trailer.

I cannot imagine anyone paying to catch another bus if the free one would take them there so perhaps less regular busses would be required.

On time running would be easy with no schedule except that a trailerbus leaves the standby end every one minute.

Not only are rails and wires ugly and expensive but the installation cost ($200m for 20km) is so great that 60 trailer busses could be bought ($30m) and run free on a 20km route with the money saved.

There must be some speed that the authorities would agree to an exemption from their rule even if that was only 5kph although I believe speed limited to 40kph with passengers would quite safe.

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  unrailed Junior Train Controller



Thought I would start a specific Parrahub thread  http://www.parrahub.org.au/



"eddyb"


bin the idea. it cost more than the options in place, or limited services and some of the projects that the state goverment will not build at the current time.


  eddyb Chief Train Controller



Thought I would start a specific Parrahub thread  http://www.parrahub.org.au/



"eddyb"


bin the idea. it cost more than the options in place, or limited services and some of the projects that the state goverment will not build at the current time.

"unrailed"


         

unrailed

If you are referring to the main Parrahub proposal the building would pay for itself and the suburb shopping centres would pay for the stations beneath them so all that is left is the mini subways with the Parrahub LTBM construction at potentially $1m/km

 

One level @ 200m diameter = 3.14x100x100 =31,400 square metres

Area of 70 levels = 2,198,000square metres

Cost of building @ $1,500 per square metre $3,297,000,000

Cost of land $ 600,000 000

Total cost $3,897,000,000

 

 

One level central shop/office space @ 120m diameter = 3.14x60x60 =11,304 square metres

Area of 40 levels above ground =452,160 square metres

Sale of 452,160 square metres@ $5,000 per square metre = $2,260,800,000

Sale of 2,000 units @ $1,000,000 each =$2,000,000,000

Total  sales = $4,260,800,000


  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Stick to trams.

Buses serve a different purpose.
  LeighZ Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney

The trailerbus would not stop at every 400m bus stop but only when the buzzer was pressed or the driver waved down so with one every bus leaving every minute I would imagine that to be every three or four stops.

 

On time running would be easy with no schedule except that a trailerbus leaves the standby end every one minute.
"eddyb"



 

What route would the trailerbus take?


  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
The trailer-bus is probably the least wacky idea you've come up with so far eddy. However, how does it offer something that a double decker bus doesn't?
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Sydney's bus future lies in bendies.
  jedimasterc Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Well you know my ideas that getting all that traffic off at parramatta is a bad idea. parramatta already has problems with traffic and you want to put all this extra traffic into parramatta. This idea might be better off somewhere further west like maybe near the old ropes creek line with a high speed rail service into the cbd and/or closer to the city near the old goods yard at roseville where a link with light rail can be made.

Even if you base this in parramatta you need a direct link on and off the m4 as utilising church street is a bad idea for local traffic flow. This would have to be done by moving or extending the idea one block south so that traffic can come straight off the m4 into the hub. maybe in an upgraded idea you could take these 2 blocks and add units and retail to the car park.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Well you know my ideas that getting all that traffic off at parramatta is a bad idea. parramatta already has problems with traffic and you want to put all this extra traffic into parramatta. This idea might be better off somewhere further west like maybe near the old ropes creek line with a high speed rail service into the cbd and/or closer to the city near the old goods yard at roseville where a link with light rail can be made.

Even if you base this in parramatta you need a direct link on and off the m4 as utilising church street is a bad idea for local traffic flow. This would have to be done by moving or extending the idea one block south so that traffic can come straight off the m4 into the hub. maybe in an upgraded idea you could take these 2 blocks and add units and retail to the car park.
"jedimasterc"


We should start relieving Parramatta because it's the second CBD and it's showing.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

To avoid confusion I will talk about Parrahub here and the trailerbuses on the trailerbus site.        

jedimasterc

These were my main considerations for the Parrahub site.

Mostly only car sale yards that do not have to be there.

Adjacent to the Harris Park station.

Could be the CBD of greater Sydney in the future

High enough to never flood.

Low enough for the minisubways at 50m below sea level to allow level connections directly below any suburban CBDs and serviced by lifts, even North Sydney etc.
The unlimited free 15,000 space carpark is not to bring extra cars to Parramatta but to get them off the streets and relieve the traffic east of Parramatta by encouraging drivers to park there and use public transport. The 2,000 parking spaces at the three launch sites could easily be increased as the land would be cheap and they would only be constructed with crushed sandstone from the tunnells

There is sufficient room within Marion, Church, Raymond and Station streets to have 60 bus stops (15 each side), 100 angled bus layover spaces (50 Raymond,50 Marion) and still have sufficient room for the perimeter roads to be 20m wide.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

The proposed Parrahub site within Church, Raymond, Station and Marion streets at Parramatta is not only the best site but the only site and unfortunately yesterday when I saw the just completed block of flats I thought that in 20 years people will wonder why we did not build Parrahub when we had the chance.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

         

Did my usual stroll around the Parrahub site the other day and noticed the new block of 25 units in High street were up for lease.

Would this prevent any start of Parrahub in the future or just delay it until their leases were up or could they be evicted with compensation so the new block could be demolished with all the other buildings on the proposed site.

I am not sure where the balance is between individual rights and the common good.


  mtrain Train Controller

         

Did my usual stroll around the Parrahub site the other day and noticed the new block of 25 units in High street were up for lease.

Would this prevent any start of Parrahub in the future or just delay it until their leases were up or could they be evicted with compensation so the new block could be demolished with all the other buildings on the proposed site.

I am not sure where the balance is between individual rights and the common good.


"eddyb"


Write to Council and ask them.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

mtrain
Thanks for that idea I may just do that.
I have emailed them a few times about Parrahub and they kindly replied that it had been noted but just from the fact the new building was put there tells me that as i have no money and it is a radical proposal they have not take the proposal seriously.
Originally i had wanted the 15,000 space carpark to be free to draw business in place of them advertising or subsidising an anchor store but to make it even more economically viable the carspaces may have to be sold.
Thanks for the interest
Eddy
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
mtrain
Thanks for that idea I may just do that.
I have emailed them a few times about Parrahub and they kindly replied that it had been noted but just from the fact the new building was put there tells me that as i have no money and it is a radical proposal they have not take the proposal seriously.
Originally i had wanted the 15,000 space carpark to be free to draw business in place of them advertising or subsidising an anchor store but to make it even more economically viable the carspaces may have to be sold.
Thanks for the interest
Eddy
"eddyb"


Council is paying lip-service to you because, to put it kindly, they do not think your proposal is viable.

EDIT: Also, I wish to retract my earlier point and wish to state that I believe Sydney's future lies in double-deck and long-rigid buses, but particularly the former.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller


Chris Bowen gave me an idea when he announced that priority would be given to immigrants with $5m who were prepared to risk that money.


If the price is increased to $2m each Parrahub unit it will allow the centrespace to have a restaurant, gym, movies, hairdresser etc. provided free so the operators can have the cheapest prices in town and the rent from  any other shops/offices will cover the strata fees, electricity, and water charges with perhaps a bit of a return.

I believe that there would be no problem getting 2,000 people worldwide to buy one of these units off the plan at $2m each with first come first served.

 


 

  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.


Chris Bowen gave me an idea when he announced that priority would be given to immigrants with $5m who were prepared to risk that money.


"eddyb"


How many immigrants actually bring in five mill'?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller



Chris Bowen gave me an idea when he announced that priority would be given to immigrants with $5m who were prepared to risk that money.


"eddyb"


How many immigrants actually bring in five mill'?
"Watson374"

Chris Bowen seems to think there would be lots https://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enAU394AU394&q=chris+bowen+%245+million+immigrants&qscrl=1
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

In my opinion there would be no need to build a second harbour rail crossing if they built Parrahub because all those who travel from the west to north Sydney via central would then just go there directly.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller


NSW government will now be able to resume property and that is real good news for Parrahub. 

 http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/new-development-body-will-have-power-to-buy-up-land-from-holdouts-20120613-20alv.html


  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Have updated Parrahub site now for 250kph subways http://www.parrahub.org.au/
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

This is the letterbox drop I did in the proposed Parrahub site Tuesday.

Hi

I believe that Parramatta will be the CBD of greater Sydney in the future needing Parrahub  [font=Calibri]http://www.parrahub.org.au/[/font]  and to avoid using the limited public space left it would require the demolition of existing properties.


The only site for it would be within Marion, Church, Raymond and Station streets because it is.


·  High enough not to flood.

· Low enough for the subways to go anywhere in greater Sydney.

· Close to Parramatta CBD

· Adjacent to Harris Park station

· Next to M4

· Close to Great Western Highway

· Close to the end of Parramatta road

· Big enough site to accommodate Parrahub and 60 bus stops

It is understandable that nobody would want to move but perhaps people would relocate given one year rent free and a high enough price for their property.


This may be achievable as in my view the whole site would be worth twice the sum of the individual properties but who knows?


To avoid conflict with residents I believe NSW wants developers to have very early feedback from residents to find out if there is any support at all for a development hence this letter.


This letter is just to give you time to think on it and if everyone has a price they are happy with then I will see if I can interest a developer.


Regards Eddy Barnett

0410482447
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Why would you worry about flooding? Don't you have confidence in your submarines?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I'm not entirely sure why you would put your phone number on a publicly accessible forum, but hey...
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Watson374
Very funny mate but I thought as a railway loving person you would be supportive of a 250kph subway that connects all of greater Sydney.



gunzel
I thought if I included my mobile number it would indicate Parrahub was not a scam.



This is the email I sent to Chris

Hi Chris
I delivered 150 letters to the proposed Parrahub site within Marion, Church, Raymond and Station streets on Tuesday the 18/6/13 and noticed that the residents are mainly flat dwellers of whom I suspect would be only renting and next to the new block of 25 units in High street there is another one under construction as well as further along two more development proposals on older buildings.

As you can appreciate not only is it a waste to have to knock down any more new buildings although nobody has complained to me this far it may be different with more residents so perhaps the state government could buy all this area now giving everybody one year to relocate rent free and whatever they want for their property.

They could consider it not only as a means of securing the site but an investment as it will be worth twice as much as a huge development site.

Regards Eddy

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