NSWTrainLink Intercity & Regional lines Network Proposal

 
  Michael.B Beginner

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::South Coast Line::


One Major Change that should be made to the South Coast Line Is that the services/trips should be adjusted to be simplified and easy to understand & Use. Here's how to improve them.

-One of my My Main complaints for this line is that the South Coast line only goes to Bondi Junction/Martin Place of Peak hours, & other selected times yet on Weekends it operates to/from Bondi Junction all-day tats just not fair for Weekdays why can't South Coast services go to/from Bondi unction all-day on weekdays too?

-During Weekday off-peaks & Weekends. There should be 2 south coast line trains heading to/from the city per hour per direction and not just one per hour for each direction.

-There should be two types of South Coast services each operating 1 trip per hour per direction (2 per hour if you count both of them.) Here's how the two types of South Coast line services.

*Port Kembla-Bondi junction services operates All-stops between Port Kembla all the way through to Waterfall Then only at Sutherland, Hurstville, Wolli Creek, Redfern, Central, then all-stops to Bondi Junction.  They act as an Extension of the current Port Kembla Services. They be operated by Oscar trains only.

*Kiama-Central Limted Stops services operates All-stops between Kiama and North Wollongong, then only at Thirroul, Helensburgh. Waterfall, Sutherland, Hurstville, Woili Creek, & Central. They would no longer operate to Martin Place and Bondi Junction. As those kind of trips will be handled by the New port Kembla Services instead. The Kiama services would be operated by Oscar trains and some Intercity V Set Trains.

-On Peak hours Each Service type will operate 2 trips per hour per direction(4 trips per hour if both of them count.) Of course Port Kembla-Bondi Junction peak hour services will also stop at Sydenham, Penshurst, Mortdale, Penhurst, Loftus, Engadine, Heathcote, etc.

-The Bomaderry-Kiama(Norwa Regional services) will now act as its own Regional Line rather then as a part of the South Coast Intercity Line. It should be called the Norwa line and will be colored Dark Green/Sage with Grey coloured stops. It will still be apart of the South Coast line Timetable though.





::Southern Highlands Line::


-All Southern Highland train services should always operate to/from the City(Central). To always provide a quick services between the City and the Southern Highlands and perhaps even Campbelltown & Macarthur. (May also stop at Glenfield)

-The bus services that operate between Moss Vale and Goulburn should be replaced by Extended Train services. operating much quicker then the bus trips. Also The Weekday Trains that go from Moss Vale to Goulburn should be adjusted to be merged with the Campbelltown-Moss Vale services.

-2 new weekday services should be provided per directed to allow this line to operate on an Hourly frequency. Same goes for weekends and have its times adjusted to allow this service to operate on a hour and a half frequency.(Can still operate every hour to the city on the AM Peak and from the city on the PM Peak.)



::Blue Mountians Line::


-Like the South Coast line The Blue mountains Line should have its services adjusted to allow 2 services per hour instead of Just 1 service per hour most of the time. There would be two types of Blue mountain services.

*Katommba-City-North Sydney services operate All-stops between Katoomba and Penrith then only at Blacktown, Westmend, Parramatta, Granville, Strathfield, Redfern, Central, then all-stops to North Sydney. They can provide a Daily city connection to the Blue Mountains. And this type of service will be operated by OSCAR Trains allow them to be common on the Blue Mountians Line but just up to Katommba.

*Lithgow-Central Limited stops services. Operates all-stops between Lithgow & Wentworth Falls, Then only at Lawson, Springwood, Blaxland, Glenbrook, Emu Plains, Penrith, Blacktown, Parramatta, Strathfield,  & Central. They will act as a Quicker to get to the Blue Mountions(Katoomba in Peticular.) And provide extra services to Lithgow. They will be operated by Intercity V Set trains only.

-There should be a new Regional line that would connect with the Blue Mountains line at Lithgow called the Bathurst line. It shall Mainly travel between Bathurst and Lithgow operating every 2 hours per direction, It will also stop at  Tarana & Rydal stations but only on passenger demand. Much like Zig Zag & Bell stations. This Regional Line will be colored Dark brown with grey Colored stops.

-The Coach bus services operating between Mt Victoria & Oberon should have its timetable shown on the Blue mountains line Timetable much like the Coach bus services between Lithgow & Bathurst.



::Newcastle & Central Coast line::


-The times should be adjusted to have a more balanced frequency and most of all combine the Newcastle-Morisset shuttle services with the Wyong-Central all-stop intercity services into one 3-hour long service that connects with all the stations throughout the Central Coast and Newcastle regions all-day. Same can be said for services that operate only between Newcastle and gosford or Wyong to Gosford shuttle services.



::Hunter Line::


-Times should be adjusted on weekdays to allow the services to operate on a fair frequency. So at telarah & Maitland there would always be a service heading to newcastle every 30 minutes(Or 20-15 minutes on peak hours) And between Newcastle and Warabrook(Uni) there would always be service heading to Maitland every 30 minutes(Or 20-15 minutes on peak hours).

And those are the network changes that i think would improve the network. What do you guys think? Please post a comment below.

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  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Title: It's not a proposal (but with some exceptions), it's only your idea of what you would like

Firstly, why do you want a 24 hour bus route to Sydney Airport, when the airport is closed at night?

Katoomba-City-North Sydney:And this type of service will be operated by OSCAR Trains allow them to be common on the Blue Mountians Line but just up to Katommba.
Somebody
Their is one main reason that Oscars can't be used, l'll leave that up to you to find, or let others explain.

Every 2 hours for Bathurst? Not including the I.P. (I abbreviated that item for a reason)), it has XPT, Endeavour (And one or two of those were taken from the Hunter) plus the former Countrylink coaches that allow the cheaper what was called the CityRail fares.

-The times should be adjusted to have a more balanced frequency and most of all combine the Newcastle-Morisset shuttle services with the Wyong-Central all-stop intercity services into one 3-hour long service that connects with all the stations throughout the Central Coast and Newcastle regions all-day.
Somebody
And that is exactly what is planned in this so called Final Draft timetable to start in October. And you're only out by 3 minutes, they are timed for most cases 2 hour & 57 minutes. Current all stations north of Tuggerah are meant to take 2 hours 47 minutes.

As for the Hunter line, on weekdays, it mostly is based on alternating express & all station trains each hour (with some exceptions), and all trains including the expresses stop at Warabrook, so that really gives a two per hour anyway.
  belfordrocks South Coast G Set

One of my My Main complaints for this line is that the South Coast line only goes to Bondi Junction/Martin Place of Peak hours, & other selected times yet on Weekends it operates to/from Bondi Junction all-day tats just not fair for Weekdays why can't South Coast services go to/from Bondi unction all-day on weekdays too?
Somebody
Capacity on the ESR is probably the main reason.

Port Kembla-Bondi junction services operates All-stops between Port Kembla all the way through to Waterfall Then only at Sutherland, Hurstville, Wolli Creek, Redfern, Central, then all-stops to Bondi Junction. They act as an Extension of the current Port Kembla Services. They be operated by Oscar trains only.
Somebody

A little too much capacity perhaps?

The Bomaderry-Kiama(Norwa Regional services) will now act as its own Regional Line rather then as a part of the South Coast Intercity Line. It should be called the Norwa line and will be colored Dark Green/Sage with Grey coloured stops. It will still be apart of the South Coast line Timetable though.
Somebody
Don't like - I think promoting connectivity through Kiama is one of the main ways to increase patronage on this line - such as coordinating schedules so that connections are quick/painless and showing destination boards through to Nowra where appropriate right now. Can't see it doing anything positive for the line if it's cut off from the main South Coast Line in marketing material.

All Southern Highland train services should always operate to/from the City(Central). To always provide a quick services between the City and the Southern Highlands and perhaps even Campbelltown & Macarthur. (May also stop at Glenfield)
Somebody
Don't think the fleet is sufficiently large to do that. I'm not sure about what it's like right now, but City -> Campbelltown services that currently connect with a Southern Highlands service should show the Southern Highlands service on the destination boards at Central - so for example, at Platform 23, rather than Destination Macarthur the screen should show Destination Moss Vale stopping Green Square etc etc etc... Campbelltown, Macarthur, change for, Menangle Park etc etc. Not sure if it's already like this, but it should in my opinion - promoting connectivity once again.

The bus services that operate between Moss Vale and Goulburn should be replaced by Extended Train services. operating much quicker then the bus trips. Also The Weekday Trains that go from Moss Vale to Goulburn should be adjusted to be merged with the Campbelltown-Moss Vale services.
Somebody
Insufficient fleet size again, I think.

Katommba-City-North Sydney services operate All-stops between Katoomba and Penrith then only at Blacktown, Westmend, Parramatta, Granville, Strathfield, Redfern, Central, then all-stops to North Sydney. They can provide a Daily city connection to the Blue Mountains. And this type of service will be operated by OSCAR Trains allow them to be common on the Blue Mountians Line but just up to Katommba.
Somebody
Can't - technical limitations.

Lithgow-Central Limited stops services. Operates all-stops between Lithgow & Wentworth Falls, Then only at Lawson, Springwood, Blaxland, Glenbrook, Emu Plains, Penrith, Blacktown, Parramatta, Strathfield, & Central. They will act as a Quicker to get to the Blue Mountions(Katoomba in Peticular.) And provide extra services to Lithgow. They will be operated by Intercity V Set trains only.
Somebody
Don't think frequency is that much an issue on the Blue Mountains Line currently.

The times should be adjusted to have a more balanced frequency and most of all combine the Newcastle-Morisset shuttle services with the Wyong-Central all-stop intercity services into one 3-hour long service that connects with all the stations throughout the Central Coast and Newcastle regions all-day. Same can be said for services that operate only between Newcastle and gosford or Wyong to Gosford shuttle services.
Somebody
That would require far too much equipment to do so - and I can't imagine hypothetical patronage from the stations north of Morisset all the way to Sydney being high on this route. Much more efficient to do it as it is already. Though I do agree that frequency at some stations (I'm thinking Warnervale etc) could be increased.
  Michael.B Beginner

Title: It's not a proposal (but with some exceptions), it's only your idea of what you would like

Firstly, why do you want a 24 hour bus route to Sydney Airport, when the airport is closed at night?
Why are you asking a question thats has nothing to do with this thread. BTW i changed my mind about the airport bus operating 24 hours it should be full-time instead.

Their is one main reason that Oscars can't be used, l'll leave that up to you to find out, or let others explain.

Gee is it because they're not designed to travel as far as Mount Victoria & Lithgow. Cause other then that there is no reason on why Oscar trains cannot operate on the Blue Mountians line. And i did say it should only go as far as Katoomba so it should be okay to use Oscars that go between Katoomba & the City.


Every 2 hours for Bathurst? Not including the I.P. (I abbreviated that item for a reason)), it has XPT, Endeavour (And one or two of those were taken from the Hunter) plus the former Countrylink coaches that allow the cheaper what was called the CityRail fares.
If the Coach buses are quicker then a train service between Bathurst & Lithgow then yeah perhaps Daily Coach services would be a better option.

And that is exactly what is planned in this so called Final Draft timetable to start in October. And you're only out by 3 minutes, they are timed for most cases 2 hour & 57 minutes. Current all stations north of Tuggerah are meant to take 2 hours 47 minutes.

Nooo. What i'm saying is that they should combine the train services between Wyong-City & between Newcastle shuttle services into One service. What they're planning is having Separate services that operate between Gosford-City. & Gosford-Newcastle.

As for the Hunter line, on weekdays, it mostly is based on alternating express & all station trains each hour (with some exceptions), and all trains including the expresses stop at Warabrook, so that really gives a two per hour anyway.

Right...SO anyways my point is that most of the arguments your say about my proposal are invalid. And thats all i got to say.

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::Southern Highlands Line::


-All Southern Highland train services should always operate to/from the City(Central). To always provide a quick services between the City and the Southern Highlands and perhaps even Campbelltown & Macarthur. (May also stop at Glenfield)

-The bus services that operate between Moss Vale and Goulburn should be replaced by Extended Train services. operating much quicker then the bus trips. Also The Weekday Trains that go from Moss Vale to Goulburn should be adjusted to be merged with the Campbelltown-Moss Vale services.

-2 new weekday services should be provided per directed to allow this line to operate on an Hourly frequency. Same goes for weekends and have its times adjusted to allow this service to operate on a hour and a half frequency.(Can still operate every hour to the city on the AM Peak and from the city on the PM Peak.)
Michael.B
Having every train directly to and from Central is not necessary to make the trip faster. Not only is there not enough resources, but a faster suburban train will help shorten the trip to the Highlands closer to the 2 hour marker. Gladys it looks like has provided this with express trains between Holsworthy and Wolli Creek in off peak and Revesby and Sydenham in peak hour. There is also an additional fast peak hour train to Campbelltown, with a fast train to the city. This train is about 1 hour 55 mins IIRC from Bowral according to the final draft timetable. This is much efficient use of resources than having every train to Central.
There are only 6 Endeavour sets available for the Southern Highlands line. If every train went to Central, train would operate every 2 hours, which would be terrible. 2 hour frequencies already happen on weekends much to my frustration. At the moment there are 2 trains on the weekday morning that go to Central within 40 minutes of each other. The Moss Vale train heads straight back to Moss Vale (11:12) while the Goulburn stays at Eveleigh until the afternoon to head back for the 15:48 Goulburn. The 2 direct trains to Central is the reason why there is that huge 2 hr 30 min gap between services in the middle of the day, under the new proposal in the final draft, the Moss Vale direct only goes to Campbelltown, which fixes that huge gap.

AFAIK, the weekend timetable hasn't changed much on any line so the only real improvement I haven't seen in the final draft is no down (Moss Vale/Goulburn bound) fast train, every train is all stops which disappoints me.

If you extend the train from Moss Vale that connects with the Goulburn coach then this will force a Moss Vale-Campbelltown and Campbelltown-Moss Vale trains to be cancelled because of it. Thus creating another service gap.

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