ARHS Museum relocation

 
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Not quite Tom Bent. I wasn't criticising the efforts of the outfit that assembled the stuff at North Williamstown and lovingly looked after it for 50 years. We owe them a huge debt.

What I am saying is that, despite their wonderful and admirable dedication, they're the wrong people to try and run a modern museum for the reasons I explained above.
"Bogong"
And what do you plan to do to remedy that?



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  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
And what do you plan to do to remedy that?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


With respect (yes, I do have a lot of respect for much of what you post), whilst it is fine to trot out the "what are you doing/going to do" line, isn't supplying useful information and ideas doing something constructive in its own right? Not everyone that has ideas can go beyond the provision of those ideas for an almost infinite variety of reasons. I don't think this should be continually questioned. Those that are in a position to act on them should be thankful for ideas that others provide.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Without any malice, don't you think that actions speak louder than words?
It is one thing to sit on ones a** and pontificate, but another to actually get 'out there' and do something about it?

Where I volunteer, so many seem happy to give suggestions, but when the committee actually says okay, let's do it, all the suggestion givers seem to disappear and no-one wants to do anything about it.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
And what do you plan to do to remedy that?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


With respect (yes, I do have a lot of respect for much of what you post), whilst it is fine to trot out the "what are you doing/going to do" line, isn't supplying useful information and ideas doing something constructive in its own right? Not everyone that has ideas can go beyond the provision of those ideas for an almost infinite variety of reasons. I don't think this should be continually questioned. Those that are in a position to act on them should be thankful for ideas that others provide.
"Graham4405"
If it was the case that they were, I'd be fine with that.  

They're not.  

It's the Henny Penny thing that pervades every incorporated voluntary association - not just railway preservation.  The Bogongs and bayside1's of the world are happy to eat the proverbial bread, but not sow or reap the wheat, or grind the flour. Is it laziness, or is it a lack of intellect - or both?

I have watched four Presidents and several Council members actually end up with significant health problems simply due to the fact that they were trying to do too much to save and try and keep going a place and a society whose aims they cared about as too many people sat on their asres and did sweet bugger-all except make suggestions as how they thought Things Should Be Done from armchairs.

But quite frankly, saying in essence that the current structure is bad/outdated, and should be changed but not actually doing anything other than that is much worse.


From someone who has been there, what the ARHS desperately need is help.  What they do - preserve all the other stuff about railways that isn't an R class or diesel or carriages - is incredibly important for not just Victoria's railway history, but all of Victoria's history.

Problem is that none of it - as brutal as this sounds - allows people to pretend to be railwaymen, or allow railwaymen to pretend to be old-timey railwaymen.  There's little of the playing trains aspect of the ARHS's core activities to attract a large number of people.

Enough has been tried.   Lobbying - professionally and privately - was tried, but failed.  

Something else to remember: VicTrack evince little interest in the collection they own (and let's not forget for one second that a large percentage of the museum exhibits are in fact owned by the State Government - with only F176, the ASG which is going to Bellarine, the Hitachi 187M, a few carriages and D2 604 in the Museum owned by ARHS, along with VR tram 53 in Preston Workshops and 200MT at South Gippsland as I recall outside the Museum being ARHS owned) and aside from occasionally forgetting and assuming SRHC own things - which they don't - there's little input or from what I saw care and certainly no funding for half a century. 

I'll also call bulls**t on this claim by bayside1: "no real vision, museum or business related skills or understanding of what a modern museum should be."

What a load of codswallop.  I've known many members of Council, and I know for a fact that many did have museum skills, and some had forgotten more business skills than the likes of bayside1 and Bogong will ever know.  Many others had specialist curating skills. But never let that get in the way of amateur armchair criticism.

  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Without any malice, don't you think that actions speak louder than words?
It is one thing to sit on ones a** and pontificate, but another to actually get 'out there' and do something about it?

Where I volunteer, so many seem happy to give suggestions, but when the committee actually says okay, let's do it, all the suggestion givers seem to disappear and no-one wants to do anything about it.
"xxxxlbear"
Which is the exact reason the Museum closed in the first place.

The front-line volunteers - or a small percentage of them - complained about the state of the Museum, and that as they put it, that it was dangerous.  The site was small, and needed to be expanded.

So, the Council acted, and got the owners of the land involved.

The volunteers - and the Council - were directed to do the necessary work, but the small core of antediluvian volunteers got shirty, and no-one else helped.  Therefore the remedial work didn't progress further...
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Without any malice, don't you think that actions speak louder than words?
It is one thing to sit on ones a** and pontificate, but another to actually get 'out there' and do something about it?

Where I volunteer, so many seem happy to give suggestions, but when the committee actually says okay, let's do it, all the suggestion givers seem to disappear and no-one wants to do anything about it.
"xxxxlbear"
Which is the exact reason the Museum closed in the first place.

The front-line volunteers - or a small percentage of them - complained about the state of the Museum, and that as they put it, that it was dangerous. The site was small, and needed to be expanded.

So, the Council acted, and got the owners of the land involved.

The volunteers - and the Council - were directed to do the necessary work, but the small core of antediluvian volunteers got shirty, and no-one else helped. Therefore the remedial work didn't progress further...
"Sir Thomas Bent"

I have absolutely no sympathy for them at all.

As railway management knows where I volunteer, I don't make suggestions unless I follow it up with something to the effect of, 'Here's my idea, and here's what I can do to help make it a reality', or words to that effect.

Railways move forward on peoples actions, not on peoples hot air! Very Happy
  sthyer Deputy Commissioner


I have absolutely no sympathy for them at all.

As railway management knows where I volunteer, I don't make suggestions unless I follow it up with something to the effect of, 'Here's my idea, and here's what I can do to help make it a reality', or words to that effect.

Railways move forward on peoples actions, not on peoples hot air! Very Happy
"xxxxlbear"


I have plenty of sympathy for them. As a T&H manager, I always encourage volunteers to pass on their thoughts and suggestions. This does not mean that their suggestions will be acted upon, nor does it mean that if action is required, I will hunt down the suggesting person and demand they pick up the reins. I do love it when volunteers say 'here is the problem I perceive and here is what I am prepared to do to remedy it' but I do accept that not everyone is going to make that much effort.

If I ignored everyone with a suggestion but no solution, all it would do is slow the flow of ideas (both good and bad) between volunteers and managers. Even bad ideas have their uses, even if it is just to confirm that the course of action you have chosen stands up to challenging by others.

As to suggestions made on Railpage, this place has long been a sounding board for ideas. As long as the people who make them do not have any expectations that their suggestions will be automatically seen by the railway in question, let them post here and throw their thoughts to the masses. Personally, you can post here as much as you like about my railway but I won't feel under any obligation to respond. If you have an idea and want to put it further, take the time to write to the railway directly.



  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I think the fundamental difference between the posts of sthyer and STB is that sthyer is listening to volunteers from his own organisation, whereas STB is being bombarded with ideas from people who are self-proclaimed experts from god-knows-where, who do nothing.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
The distinction is that I didn't mind constructive suggestions in letter form.  Even if people, for whatever legitimate reason, couldn't help (illness, family life, work commitments) bring them through.

What I didn't like, and found really unhelpful were poison-pen letters written to the President of any group written by disgruntled little fools about someone else on the Council, in order to get revenge or simply to attack another person's character.

I'm sure sthyer knows all about that.
  sthyer Deputy Commissioner



I'm sure sthyer knows all about that.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


The smaller the stakes, the bigger the fuss. Ever tried to deal with a colour scheme debate?
  xke9600hp Train Controller


Without any malice, don't you think that actions speak louder than words?
It is one thing to sit on ones a** and pontificate, but another to actually get 'out there' and do something about it?

Where I volunteer, so many seem happy to give suggestions, but when the committee actually says okay, let's do it, all the suggestion givers seem to disappear and no-one wants to do anything about it.
"xxxxlbear"
Which is the exact reason the Museum closed in the first place.

The front-line volunteers - or a small percentage of them - complained about the state of the Museum, and that as they put it, that it was dangerous.  The site was small, and needed to be expanded.

So, the Council acted, and got the owners of the land involved.

The volunteers - and the Council - were directed to do the necessary work, but the small core of antediluvian volunteers got shirty, and no-one else helped.  Therefore the remedial work didn't progress further...
"Sir Thomas Bent"


Is there any chance the work can ever be completed or is the scope beyond the means of the ARHS to address?

Is there any chance the museum will ever re-open at its current location or have all the volunteers drifted off elsewhere?

  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I think that's a question best asked of the ARHS, as I doubt any sort of definative answer could be given - that is unless there happens to be an active counciller or volunteer present...
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned



I'm sure sthyer knows all about that.
"Sir Thomas Bent"


The smaller the stakes, the bigger the fuss. Ever tried to deal with a colour scheme debate?
"sthyer"


Missed this one.  

The letters I hated was typified when one person from one group also in Newport wrote to the ARHS complaining that he thought another person shouldn't be on a committee as they'd said something mean to them on the Internet.  From memory the reply email quoted was from Melbourne Uni.

That's the kind of small-minded petty bulls**t that used to annoy quite a few people.

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xke9600hp, I'm out of the loop - so much so I don't know who the council members are now.  I would suggest dropping them a line to find out, however.  

  DavidJDowd Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Went past the museum today. Looks very sad.
Is there an update on what is happening?
  VRcommando Junior Train Controller

Location: VOZ
No. Be patient!
  DavidJDowd Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Lol one is.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
All reasons have been put forward as to why the museum isn't open, and the problems faced with re-locating it.

I suggest any interested person keep an eye on this page: http://www.arhsvic.org.au/index.php/museum/museum-closure for any further updates of the museum re-opening, or contact the ARHS-Vic direct.

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