A-City trains

 
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
At present the Redhen running will utilise Platform 9 exclusively all day Sat and Sun.
A proposed Members Only special on Saturday evening twighlight, may also use Platform 9.
The proposed test run on Sunday 17 November will use any convenient platform.
Who told me this.....?  A good source.  8)

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  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Oooof. You know you're getting older when people who you used to swim with in High School (Amanda Rishworth at the end of that Channel 10 clip in this case) are showing up as MPs!
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Anyone know when the next one is due? Monthly?
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Arent they getting delivered weekly? Meaning every 3 weeks a complete 4000 set is being delivered.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Doesnt look like it!?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Are you sure the deliveries haven't been going on under the radar? There was only a minor fuss about the first one because it was the first one.
  rail_road_runner Station Staff

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Heres some news from DPTI for our trains..

http://dpti.sa.gov.au/newconnections/article?item=312
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

I wonder why they aren't being delivered by rail? The Bombardier Dandenong factory has a direct connection to the Cranbourne line, which is how the VLocity trains were delivered to VLine (shortest possible delivery run? Smile
Is it just because they'd have to use transfer bogies to use the SG to Adelaide? Is there a shortage of lifting jacks in Adelaide? Were the previous Comeng sets delivered by rail before the interstate line was gauge converted?

The Sprinters were delivered to VLine from Goninan NSW via transfer bogies, and more recently, NSW Explorer cars were serviced in Dandenong the same way.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Impossible due to Mexican loading gauges.

Even if you guys rebuilt your lines or we compromised our order to fit your lines instead of optimising them for ours, using a roll-on/roll-off road trailer over a short distance of under 800 kilometres would probably still be significantly more convenient.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
I wonder why they aren't being delivered by rail? The Bombardier Dandenong factory has a direct connection to the Cranbourne line, which is how the VLocity trains were delivered to VLine (shortest possible delivery run? Smile
Is it just because they'd have to use transfer bogies to use the SG to Adelaide? Is there a shortage of lifting jacks in Adelaide? Were the previous Comeng sets delivered by rail before the interstate line was gauge converted?
bramt
The issue (if I recall) is the Dandenong factory is BG only, which means two changes of gauge not just one. Plus the usual issues with trying to marshal railcars/unbraked wagons into freight trains, and the steep hills/low trees/tunnels in the Adelaide hills.

I assume the 3000/3100 Comeng sets where sent over when the interstate was still BG, the older 2000 class certainly drove themselves over there a few times for major work.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I assume the 3000/3100 Comeng sets where sent over when the interstate was still BG, the older 2000 class certainly drove themselves over there a few times for major work.
"fabricator"


If memory serves me correctly some of the early series 3000/3100 class had their final assembly and fit out done at a factory on Cavan Road at Pooraka. This property had a BG rail siding which crossed Churchill Road North just south west of where the Northfield line crossed the same road.  I have the feeling the railcars arrived there as empty shells.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
If memory serves me correctly some of the early series 3000/3100 class had their final assembly and fit out done at a factory on Cavan Road at Pooraka. This property had a BG rail siding which crossed Churchill Road North just south west of where the Northfield line crossed the same road.  I have the feeling the railcars arrived there as empty shells.
Pressman
You may be confusing these with the 2000 class.     It may have been true of the early 3000 class but the first of these was 7 or so years after the last 2000 class car.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The 2000 types were bought over as more or less empty shells and fitted out at Cavan to get them into service, however I think the 3000 early types were railed over complete from memory as they were built by Comeng, the later Clyde built units though of the 3000 type I have no idea about.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The 2000 types were bought over as more or less empty shells and fitted out at Cavan to get them into service, however I think the 3000 early types were railed over complete from memory as they were built by Comeng, the later Clyde built units though of the 3000 type I have no idea about.
David Peters

They may have been completed at Clyde Somerton in Melbourne.  Clyde also had a plant at Rosewater involved in locomotive production but I don't know if that was part of the commissioning of the second series of the 3000's - it may have already been closed by then.

Has the A-City set been moving around at all yet?  It would be interesting to know when it can move under it's own power although I'm guessing that's a fair way off yet -
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
The 2000 types were bought over as more or less empty shells and fitted out at Cavan to get them into service, however I think the 3000 early types were railed over complete from memory as they were built by Comeng, the later Clyde built units though of the 3000 type I have no idea about.
"David Peters"



The Comeng cars came here as shells and were fitted out at the Comeng Dry Creek facility that was on Cavan Rd (not to be confused with the new Dry Creek Depot), all the Clyde cars came over complete.

The A-city's have not moved yet, that's a bit hard with no power on site yet.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Power was meant to be switched on 17/06/2013 or so the "Switched On" notices said.

I would love to be proved wrong, but as I have written elsewhere the progress of the electrification job does not have a good look about it.

Comments by another elsewhere about the switching building at Ascot Park being half finished for some time.

Works in various states of completion indicates poor planning and unmeasurable progress, equals a contractor in trouble.

Ian
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Power was meant to be switched on 17/06/2013 or so the "Switched On" notices said.

I would love to be proved wrong, but as I have written elsewhere the progress of the electrification job does not have a good look about it.

Comments by another elsewhere about the switching building at Ascot Park being half finished for some time.

Works in various states of completion indicates poor planning and unmeasurable progress, equals a contractor in trouble.

Ian
steam4ian

The date of 17/06/2013 was when the overhead was deemed "live". Actual switching on took place on 21/06/2013 to make sure all systems were operational and have since been switched off. There is no point in having it switched on if nothing is running. Also there has been some remedial work done on the bridge which meant that the power had to be isolated. Apparently the A-City 4001 was ready for training purposes the following Monday after 4001B was delivered.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
...

Comments by another elsewhere about the switching building at Ascot Park being half finished for some time.

Works in various states of completion indicates poor planning and unmeasurable progress, equals a contractor in trouble.

Ian
steam4ian
Works in various states of completion could arise in a project which has been broken into a number of discrete stages to provide identifiable milestones or where there a number of different activities not on a critical path or where resources are being deployed over a number of activities.  It can be difficult to assess the progress of a project without reference to the project plan.

Alex C
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
I've heard a whisper that Noarlunga Line re opening is unlikely to occur in September.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I've heard a whisper that Noarlunga Line re opening is unlikely to occur in September.
Tonsley213
The lack of press releases with pretty pictures on the DPTI website would tend to confirm that, based on their usual media strategy of keeping a busy high profile when things are going well and to cower in the corner when they aren't.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
They may have been completed at Clyde Somerton in Melbourne.  Clyde also had a plant at Rosewater involved in locomotive production but I don't know if that was part of the commissioning of the second series of the 3000's - it may have already been closed by then.
"don_dunstan"


I spoke to one of the guys at work today, he worked for Clyde Rosewater up until they closed the plant. He never saw or worked on any railcars, He said Rosewater was a purely "Diesel Loco" facility, with some "component manufacturing" in the last few months of operation.
The closure of Rosewater coincided with the expansion of Somerton as they (Clyde) gained a large contract with the Vic Gov with a "made in Victoria" clause (the N class I believe)
The guy at work also seemed to think the Clyde 3000's were built at Bathurst.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
All the 3000/3100's would've been built in Victoria. I think they were delivered under their own power, but I wonder how they were delivered after the Adelaide-Melbourne line standardisation in 1995?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I spoke to one of the guys at work today, he worked for Clyde Rosewater up until they closed the plant. He never saw or worked on any railcars, He said Rosewater was a purely "Diesel Loco" facility, with some "component manufacturing" in the last few months of operation.
The closure of Rosewater coincided with the expansion of Somerton as they (Clyde) gained a large contract with the Vic Gov with a "made in Victoria" clause (the N class I believe)
The guy at work also seemed to think the Clyde 3000's were built at Bathurst.
Pressman

Okay, thanks for that.  Can't recall when the order was completed but I believe 1995 as I recall that was the last of the Red Hens in revenue service.
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller

All the 3000/3100's would've been built in Victoria. I think they were delivered under their own power, but I wonder how they were delivered after the Adelaide-Melbourne line standardisation in 1995?
greasyrhys
Last cars were delivered to Adelaide on standard gauge transfer bogies & put on broad gauge bogies at the Dry Creek MPC. Required a special set of adapter hooks that were fitted to the existing lifting hooks. Wasn't many cars as I recall.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Last cars were delivered to Adelaide on standard gauge transfer bogies & put on broad gauge bogies at the Dry Creek MPC. Required a special set of adapter hooks that were fitted to the existing lifting hooks. Wasn't many cars as I recall.
MaskedRailfan

Do you know if that was 1995?  I recall riding on a Red Hen for the last time on the Noarlunga line earlier that year but I'm fairly sure they were all gone by the end of 1995.

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