Building rail in NSW 50-times more expensive than Victoria

 

News article: Building rail in NSW 50-times more expensive than Victoria

COST estimates by the O'Farrell Government, 50 times more expensive than reinstating regional Victorian rail lines, are hampering the re-establishment of the Casino to Murwillumbah rail line, say the Greens.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
COST estimates by the O'Farrell Government, 50 times more expensive than reinstating regional Victorian rail lines, are hampering the re-establishment of the Casino to Murwillumbah rail line, say the Greens.

NSW Greens transport spokeswoman Dr Mehreen Faruqi said high costs were preventing Northern NSW getting vital rail infrastructure reinstated.



"The O'Farrell Government has estimated the cost of reinstating the 130km Casino to Murwillumbah line at $900 million," she said.
Building rail in NSW 50-times more expensive than Victoria


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Using Victoria would not be a good as using Western Australia.  From previous examples, WA rail builds look to be cheaper than Victoria.  Thoughts?

Surely $900m for 130kms of track is way over the top! = $6.92m per km.  Must be gold plated?

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  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Do those Victorian line revivals involve rotting original trestle bridges built from wood dating to the steam era being replaced with steel/concrete bridges meeting modern safety standards? Do those Victorian line revivals involve a single daily service thirteen hours to the capital or do they involve multiple relatively short services? Do those Victorian line revivals involve areas which are better-linked (economically and transport-wise) to centres in another state or are they actually viable corridors?

These questions need to be asked. While a Gold Coast XPT would be nice, the line is stuffed. Reviving it is not a great idea, no matter how much gunzels and the Greens want it. Unless we can get from Sydney to the Gold Coast proper in under eight hours, it will be a waste of time and money.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Do those Victorian line revivals involve rotting original trestle bridges built from wood dating to the steam era being replaced with steel/concrete bridges meeting modern safety standards? Do those Victorian line revivals involve a single daily service thirteen hours to the capital or do they involve multiple relatively short services? Do those Victorian line revivals involve areas which are better-linked (economically and transport-wise) to centres in another state or are they actually viable corridors?

These questions need to be asked. While a Gold Coast XPT would be nice, the line is stuffed. Reviving it is not a great idea, no matter how much gunzels and the Greens want it. Unless we can get from Sydney to the Gold Coast proper in under eight hours, it will be a waste of time and money.
Watson374
The last two questions suggest that Victoria was not a good comparison at all. Would be much better if these costs were compared against railways in SA/Queensland.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
50 times more expensive than Victoria !!!!!
Is there that much money in the whole world ????
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Fascinated to know what these "equivalent" disused rail lines in Victoria were.
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

the report found the $900 million was needed to: clear vegetation, stabilise landslide areas, replace timber bridges and sleepers, undertake an extensive replacement of ballast and to bring the system up to safety and operating standards for frequent and quick train services.
Transport Minister Gladys Berejiklian
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
The last two questions suggest that Victoria was not a good comparison at all. Would be much better if these costs were compared against railways in SA/Queensland.
"railblogger"
Indeed - perhaps the average per-kilometre infrastructure expenditure on the Tilt Train's BNE-BDB-GLT-ROK-MKY-TSV-CNS route? Excluding BNE-ROK electrics, of course.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
The last two questions suggest that Victoria was not a good comparison at all. Would be much better if these costs were compared against railways in SA/Queensland.
railblogger
Not sure where SA figures into this, while we have a lot of decrepit disused railways, we aren't actually rebuilding any of them so cost figures are completely unknown.

Mind you we did manage to spend $291.2 million on 5.7km of double track, some new new stations (and trains), a depot and a 1.2km bridge. The bridge sucked up about half the money, so looks like bridges are the real cost here.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Not sure where SA figures into this, while we have a lot of decrepit disused railways, we aren't actually rebuilding any of them so cost figures are completely unknown.

Mind you we did manage to spend $291.2 million on 5.7km of double track, some new new stations (and trains), a depot and a 1.2km bridge. The bridge sucked up about half the money, so looks like bridges are the real cost here.
"fabricator"
Bolding mine, for emphasis.

I have a strong suspicion the high predicted cost of reviving the Casino to Murwillumbah line - the classic 'we need to revive regional rail ASAP and bring back tin hares too' gunzel pick of New South Wales - is also due to bridges, since it has a great number of now rotting wooden trestle bridges.

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