Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
With 5 weekend closures (apparently) still to go that effect the Belair line and therefore the Noarlunga line, no weekend start of service date can commence until at least December 7 (assuming they will resume services on a weekend). There might be more public backlash if they start services on a weekday and then still have to close for one or two weekends.

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  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

With 5 weekend closures (apparently) still to go that effect the Belair line and therefore the Noarlunga line, no weekend start of service date can commence until at least December 7 (assuming they will resume services on a weekend). There might be more public backlash if they start services on a weekday and then still have to close for one or two weekends.
nscaler69

I highly doubt it I think commuters just want train services back I dont think the public will care about a few weekend closures after a 10 month closure of the entire line as long as services are running on the line even if its partial and on weekday (On the Noarlunga Line facebook group for example I think everyone there wants services back even if they are partial and on weekdays)

There is no doubt in my mind now the SA government wants to open the line from Adelaide to Oaklands in mid to late November the updated graph posted and testing done today and the fact it would boost SA labour governments election chances pretty much give it away. In September I believe it was Tom who did say if partial services on the line were possible he would aim for that and thats exactly what it looks like he is aiming for.

In other news

A rail sub bus has caught fire at Brighton tonight reported by the Advertiser
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
With 5 weekend closures (apparently) still to go that effect the Belair line and therefore the Noarlunga line, no weekend start of service date can commence until at least December 7 (assuming they will resume services on a weekend). There might be more public backlash if they start services on a weekday and then still have to close for one or two weekends.
nscaler69
You may well be right. Nevertheless, now that the Noarlunga Centre line's signalling is working sufficiently well to allow the test trains today, I would think that the Minister will move Heaven and Earth to get services running as soon as possible. If I were he, I'd be kicking every bottom that it is necessary severely to discomfort to achieve this. While the upgrades will be worth the past months of travail in the long run, the patience of the public (and very definitely of this member of it) has well and truly been stretched to the limit. Votes are being lost daily, and no politician looking to be re-elected can afford to lose a single one of them.

Any further work on all routes should be at night between last and first trains. There should be no closures of any kind ever again. They weren't necessary in the past so far as I can recollect, and now that the renewal of track work is complete, there can be no excuse for inconvenienceing the public in the future.

Off Topic: I am still experiencing delays of up to several minutes for the Railpage server to respond. it's made the effort of uploading links to two photographs a matter of nine frustrating hours (with some short breaks to chew the carpet), and I still can't get the pictures to show in the body of my message despite clicking the 'Insert an image' button, and using the URLs of the pictures that are sitting in the Railpage gallery by direct cut and paste. ALL of my other many visited websites respond normally.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If I were he, I'd be kicking every bottom that it is necessary severely to discomfort to achieve this.
"SAR526"
Including your own/his for not letting the contract go early enough so that it ends up being a rush job towards the end of the whole project?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Off Topic: I am still experiencing delays of up to several minutes for the Railpage server to respond. it's made the effort of uploading links to two photographs a matter of nine frustrating hours (with some short breaks to chew the carpet), and I still can't get the pictures to show in the body of my message despite clicking the 'Insert an image' button, and using the URLs of the pictures that are sitting in the Railpage gallery by direct cut and past. ALL of my other many visited websites respond normally.
"SAR526"
Here's a tip to make it faster - switch to plain text editing instead of the kludgy WYSIWYG HTML editor and write your own BBcode instead of trusing the format buttons.

Instead of the "insert image" button, simply type the BBcode manually -

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Copy/paste that stuff from the share button and you get this kind of result for each picture

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If only for electoral reasons, I would guess that we may soon see regular trains to Oakands with the Seaford/Noarlunga Centre bus interchange transferred from the city as during the first shutdown for the ConventionCentre construction work.
"SAR526"
I thought that closure of the outer section of the Noarlunga route in 2011 was for the rebuilding of the Warradale-Noarlunga track and stations, and that it was the suspension of Tonsley services from early 2012 which was for the Convention Centre work.

I agree that long shutdowns shouldn't be necessary outside of such major rebuilds as we've had over the last six years - but these shouldn't need to happen again if regular maintenance work is done every weekend.

In the immediate term, getting weekday services running all the way to Seaford should be the first priority, outside of the Test Match we can afford to do without weekends on the Seaford line while remaining electrification works and EMU test runs are conducted.

For the heavier work (such as a level crossing resurfacing, or replacing sleepers) weekend closures would be fine, but should be limited to short sections so the substitute buses are running no further than 2-3 stations rather than a full-length service. This is the 21st century, once ERTMS Level 1 is in operation it shouldn't be too difficult to enable suitable safeworking procedures to allow bidirectional working so trains can terminate at the closest station to the closed area regardless of whether crossovers are available there.

Including your own/his for not letting the contract go early enough so that it ends up being a rush job towards the end of the whole project?
"Aaron"
Given that Turbo Tom has shown he can be extremely flexible when it comes to the truth, he shouldn't have any trouble with whatever contortionist moves are required to kick his own butt.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Any body know when the next test on the Noarlunga Line is due to occur?

I'd imagine it would be soon though since all the train drivers need to be re-trained for the Noarlunga Line
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I wonder if they will bother with a partial re-opening to Oaklands - I guess if there are further delays on re-signalling Oaklands-Noarlunga then that might be the only choice.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Saw steel gantries being erected between Goodwood station and Leader street today.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Saw steel gantries being erected between Goodwood station and Leader street today.
Milkomeda
Some photos from the last few days.  All the gantries through Keswick, Wayville to N end of Goodwood Station have been installed.  Only 3 masts and a number of cross beams at Goodwood platforms are still to go up.

Screening cages have been placed on the pipe south of Keswick Bridge.  They are insulated with rubber collars from the pipe (photo 3).

Contact wire has finally appeared on down line from Raglan Ave to Tonsley Jn.

1. Gantry erection at Leader St on Saturday


2. Cantilever gantries S of Leader St, which span three tracks.


3. Pipe bridge at Keswick with screening cage


Alex C
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Yeow that's ugly!

I wonder how that pipe is affecting the Greenway underpass plans on the eastern side of the rail corridor, and whether a diverted replacement closer to the southern side of the underpass and closer in elevation to the road will be necessary. If I remember correctly, that is way too close to the underpass for a 1/14 ramp to get over it after coming out from the underpass.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Oaklands - Noarlunga signalling seems to be progressing well. Only signal not lit yesterday was on down line at Christie Downs. North of there many signals were showing non-red aspects.  The new signalling cabinet at Noarlunga crossovers was being worked on with local testing of signals.  The signals protecting the Noarlunga crossovers have been fitted with stencil type route indicators.

Contact and cantenary have been run out on up from Tonsley J to Marion.

Alex C
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

5AA have been saying today a test train to Noarlunga Centre from Adelaide will be running tomorrow so be on the lookout for it
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Until it gets canned due to a lack of interest?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Sounds promising; does this mean the signals are all A-Okay now?  I'm guessing 'yes'.

And thanks very much for managing to post those interesting pics the other day, Alex C, Railpage has been rather unwell in the last four or five days with the new server and all but it's really wonderful to see the progress.  The support poles/portals look of a similar structural grade to the ones used on the recent upgrades around Melbourne (Sunbury/South Morang).  The galvanising looks nice and shiny when it's new doesn't it!
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Sounds promising; does this mean the signals are all A-Okay now?  I'm guessing 'yes'.

And thanks very much for managing to post those interesting pics the other day, Alex C, Railpage has been rather unwell in the last four or five days with the new server and all but it's really wonderful to see the progress.  The support poles/portals look of a similar structural grade to the ones used on the recent upgrades around Melbourne (Sunbury/South Morang).  The galvanising looks nice and shiny when it's new doesn't it!
don_dunstan

Not exactly all it means is the signals are now operational it doesnt mean if they are working as intended thats what the upcoming tests will be to determine

Basically you could say this is all split up into 3 phases

Phase 1 would be getting all the signals installed and operational

Phase 2 will be the signal engineers testing the signals to make sure they are working as intended and making sure nothing is wrong with them that could prevent the line from reopening

Phase 3 will be the train drivers testing the line and being re educated on it because of the new signal placements and the underpass

and once phase 3 is complete then the line will be reopened

So you could say we are at the end of phase 1 now and the engineers will be testing the signals now until the end of next week before handing the line over to the train drivers for testing.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

While exploring ARS I noticed that only platforms 1 and 2 appear to be getting sparked.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

We have two EMUs and no sign of whether assembly of anything (other than mendacious excuses) has started for the third and onwards, so one platform for each unit would seem generous enough!
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

8:30 this morning I hear a train horn coming from the railway line looks like testing to Noarlunga has now begun
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Observations today:

Didn't see any test trains.  I must been out too late!

Remaining masts had been installed at Goodwood Stn and the beams between the two islands.  The cantilever beams over the Seaford Down and the gantry S of the tram overpass are still to be done.  More work is scheduled tonight.

At Victoria Ave at lunchtime metal screens were being installed on the North parapet over the underpass.  This involved use of a cherry picker on the underpass track which indicated no rail movements were imminent.  

Down catenary and contact run out Tonsley J - Marion.  Earth and return run out through Warradale.  Electrification hi-track working near Marino Rocks.

Got to Christie Downs and saw a hi-track followed by a track survey vehicle head north.  DPTI staff were doing a visual track inspection at Noarlunga Centre.

A test train successfully tested the signalling from Adelaide to Oaklands on Friday 1 November 2013 and another test train will test from Adelaide to Noarlunga on Thursday 7 November 2013. Proving and reliability testing with the track, points and level crossings will continue for several days. Implementation and testing of the new signalling between Hove and Noarlunga Centre on the Seaford Line will continue for a further two weeks prior to handing over to drivers and controllers for familiarisation training and robust testing of the system in a live train environment.
DPTI Website
http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/RR/rail_revitalisation/noarlunga_line_renewal

Alex C
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
Seated on my own electric vehicle on the Down platform at Oaklands on the way home from Westfield Marion with a heavy load of shopping, I saw a test train using the crossover from the Up line to the Down about 18.30 on Thursday evening 131107. After pausing at the station, it proceeded towards Warradale. This would indicate that at least one previous run on the Noarlunga route had been made. As I thought that I heard a train horn in the morning, there could have been several.

Progress on wiring has been made in the Warradale/Oaklands section. Pulley sheaves have been attached to draw the contact wires into position, and extra heavy earth and return wires have appeared. I had the impression that work could have been scheduled for last night.

Solar driven illuminated trailer signs were in operation at the Diagonal/Morphett Roads approaches to announce that drivers should be aware of test trains.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Wiring from Lonsdale to Brighton is now live new warning signs have now been placed near the level crossings to warn drivers of high voltage wires
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Had my ride through the Goodwood underpass yesterday.

Full marks to the team who put it on, it was a bit disappointing that perhaps the crowds were not larger.

I congratulated one of the construction supervisors who seem most grateful that I had bothered.

The ride is smooth and 3 3000 cars made it without fuss.

If there ever will be a problem it will be when the trains run faster. The rails "ring" such that you can hear the train coming when you stand on the Goodwood platform even though the train has just entered the decline at the down end. Applying damping to the rails may be necessary to control the noise. BTW, this in not a complaint or negative judgement just an observation; I can give you a solution if you want it.

Ian
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Drove across Oaklands Crossing about 0800 this morning and a pair of headlights (Jumbo Style) was apparent on the down line east of the platforms. Either this was a Jumbo doing something strange on a line that it won't run on else it was a HiRail vehicle. Hard to make out when the lights are shining straight at you. does anyone know what it was that I saw?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I congratulated one of the construction supervisors who seem most grateful that I had bothered.
steam4ian
It's a really great thing that they finally got around to doing that.  When I used to catch the Noarlunga train in the 1990's it was a frequent occurrence having to wait for an ARTC train to clear, sometimes for 7 or 8 minutes (or longer).  No more!
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Had my ride through the Goodwood underpass yesterday.

Full marks to the team who put it on, it was a bit disappointing that perhaps the crowds were not larger.

I congratulated one of the construction supervisors who seem most grateful that I had bothered.

The ride is smooth and 3 3000 cars made it without fuss.

If there ever will be a problem it will be when the trains run faster. The rails "ring" such that you can hear the train coming when you stand on the Goodwood platform even though the train has just entered the decline at the down end. Applying damping to the rails may be necessary to control the noise. BTW, this in not a complaint or negative judgement just an observation; I can give you a solution if you want it.

Ian
steam4ian

I was almost going to go myself but I made up my mind not to since the Noarlunga Line is only 3-4 weeks away from reopening decided to wait it out since I want to enjoy the full experience on a ride from Adelaide to Noarlunga on the day trains resume (At least I know this time the line won't be delayed further and the line will be reopened in 3-4 weeks this time)

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