Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Other than taking away all the Political Point Scoring from next years electrification opening, is there any reason why the Seaford extension couldn't open Sunday as well (diesel served off course).

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  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

The drivers and engineers need some place on the line to test electric trains uninterrupted and that will be the only place to do it
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Other than taking away all the Political Point Scoring from next years electrification opening, is there any reason why the Seaford extension couldn't open Sunday as well (diesel served off course).
nscaler69
The signalling last week still hadn't been commissioned.  Signals at the S end of the viaduct were lit red but were still angled away from the track.

Alex C
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The drivers and engineers need some place on the line to test electric trains uninterrupted and that will be the only place to do it
"Milkomeda"
How about using part or the whole of the route on nights and weekends when the timetable has only one or two trains each hour and none at all for a five hour block? Both of the electric units could be in action at once instead of just one going back and forth between the depot and Seaford terminus, and running on schedules following 5-10 minutes behind trains in service would ensure they don't disrupt the next passenger service 20-25 or 50-55 minutes behind the test train.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The EMUs could run all the way to Brighton.

At present there is only one EMU set to play with  the other is at DGRCD.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The EMUs could run all the way to Brighton.

At present there is only one EMU set to play with  the other is at DGRCD.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Also what happens if it fails and holds up something else another railcar perhaps or even blocks a road or something. Faults are not unknown, so the less interruption to the outside world the better really.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

What happens? You put into play the same procedures that would be used in the far more likely event of a DEMU failing in normal passenger service, as an aspiring 20th century public transport system there would surely be a whole bunch of BCR plans which are rehearsed by staff on a regular basis for events just like that.

In the extremely unlikely event of a pre-service run failing and blocking a road (only six between Seaford and Brighton) then the road users would do what they do in the far more likely event of a level crossing failing and blocking the road - drive elsewhere for a couple of minutes and find another route, all without the sky falling.

In any case, the line is going to be closed on weekends and at night so the Adelaide-Brighton parts can be finished off. Plenty of time and space to get in a whole lot of pre-service runs on the segment south of Brighton without running the risk of blocking trains in service.

The only way to stop train failures is to have no trains, but even that doesn't deal with level crossing failures blocking roads. At some point the cotton wool has to come off the EMUs, otherwise pre-service running will never get completed and they'll never enter service.
  defman70 Train Controller

Fellas... The far greater issue is to be the training of drivers... You are all forgetting that little piece of rather important info! There needs to be a section of track to train drivers on the electrics and that's the main reason (along with the commissioning) why we need a section of track that's not running revenue services...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Fellas... The far greater issue is to be the training of drivers... You are all forgetting that little piece of rather important info! There needs to be a section of track to train drivers on the electrics and that's the main reason (along with the commissioning) why we need a section of track that's not running revenue services...
"defman70"
Have you been trained on Noarlunga yet? How much longer do I need to wait for my ride down there?
  rxclass Junior Train Controller

Location: On the manual turntable at Marino turning an exquisite Rx class steam locomotive.
Have you been trained on Noarlunga yet? How much longer do I need to wait for my ride down there?
Aaron
G, morning,

Aaron, you are nowhere near death's door, so you have plenty of time. Please be patient.

Regards,
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Fellas... The far greater issue is to be the training of drivers... You are all forgetting that little piece of rather important info! There needs to be a section of track to train drivers on the electrics and that's the main reason (along with the commissioning) why we need a section of track that's not running revenue services...
"defman70"
Wouldn't the entire line on the whole of a weekend (where multiple training/commissioning runs could be taking place at once) be good enough for that? With only two complete electric units here and no indication that assembly of the fourth unit and onwards has even been started, it's not like there needs to be huge hordes of drivers qualified to drive them any time soon.
  defman70 Train Controller

Wouldn't the entire line on the whole of a weekend (where multiple training/commissioning runs could be taking place at once) be good enough for that? With only two complete electric units here and no indication that assembly of the fourth unit and onwards has even been started, it's not like there needs to be huge hordes of drivers qualified to drive them any time soon.
"justapassenger"

Trainers.. At least... Government trainers, are not likely to be hauled into work on the weekends. When these individuals depart ops and head to the pearly training grounds, they get these cushy things called weekends back.
Also training and commissioning would almost certainly be done separately. I doubt a Bombardier tech would like us going around the train setting faults for fault finding, while he's actually looking for them!
Yes.. You are probably right about not needing it any time soon... Still... This is what we have.. And that's mainly why!
  defman70 Train Controller

Have you been trained on Noarlunga yet? How much longer do I need to wait for my ride down there?
"Aaron"

You are an impatient sort... Got my 2 drives booked for Friday. Nothing like last minute!
  trainlover Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide.


I note that 4 minutes is allowed from Goodwood to Clarence Park and Mile End to ARS. The time table has quite a bit of fat.

steam4ian
What Fat Just 4 Mins to do Goodwood To Mile End it used to be 4 mins Keswick to Mile End and now we have to do nearly a extra KM from Goodwood and slow past the construction site at the new Show Ground Station.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
You are an impatient sort... Got my 2 drives booked for Friday. Nothing like last minute!
defman70
Not impatient, just desperately bored...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not impatient, just desperately bored...
Aaron
Or just desperate even.
  poxbox3030 Train Controller

Location: Train Control
Can anyone in the know advise if there is any EMU testing / training planned for tomorrow (friday 29th) and what sections? I'd like to get a good look at them while I'm here in Adelaide.

Thanks in advance.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Can anyone in the know advise if there is any EMU testing / training planned for tomorrow (friday 29th) and what sections? I'd like to get a good look at them while I'm here in Adelaide.

Thanks in advance.
poxbox3030
If they are running tomorrow, it will be between Seaford and either Noarlunga Centre or Brighton. Realistically, your best chance of catching it mobile is between Seaford and Noarlunga.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
According to a video posted on the 4000's thread the testing between Brighton and Seaford is quite frequent now - or as frequent as it can be with three sets.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Don

Unfortunately distance has dimmed your perception.

Unless I am corrected only4001 is running, with 4002 in Dry Creak. As for 4003 I don't know where it is and it has not recently been reported here.

The priority at the moment will be to get the DEMU drivers reaccredited for the ARS to NC route so EMU (?2) are not going to be straying down to Brighton except after normal running. One driver here has his training day tomorrow (Friday) and I get the impression he is not alone.

Regards
Ian
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Don

Unfortunately distance has dimmed your perception.

Unless I am corrected only4001 is running, with 4002 in Dry Creak. As for 4003 I don't know where it is and it has not recently been reported here.

The priority at the moment will be to get the DEMU drivers reaccredited for the ARS to NC route so EMU (?2) are not going to be straying down to Brighton except after normal running. One driver here has his training day tomorrow (Friday) and I get the impression he is not alone.

Regards
Ian
"steam4ian"
Correct, 4002 at DC, 4001 at Seaford, 4003 allegedly here, current status 'incognito'.
  opendoorz Locomotive Driver

Location: please mind the gap when alighting from the train
Spotted 4000 siting in NC station monday afternoon and 2 car 3000 running between hallet cove beach & lonsdale noarlunga bound about 8:30am this morning
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
As discussed earlier, the delivery schedule of the 4000's appears to be the weakest link presently.  According to a schedule for delivery from last year the prediction was that the order would be about half delivered by now - they're nowhere near that number.

Aaron, you inferred earlier that there were problems at Bombardier causing the delay, is there anything else you know or can share with us about that?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Correct, 4002 at DC, 4001 at Seaford, 4003 allegedly here, current status 'incognito'.
"Aaron"
I've read of two cars of 4003 having been confirmed as here, the third might be here but nobody has confirmed it.

Missing car = missing unit with these ones though, the only work which can be done with two cars is assembling the permanent coupling between the first two

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