The last English Electrics

 
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
Well the end of the EE's is here thought we should do a post on what is happening with the remaining few.
Y's, both still in service (kinda)
Z's, all in service
ZA's remaining locos stored
ZB's one still in service (2123) at Boyer others out of service in need of repairs.
ZP/R's 2100 cooked motor, out of service, 2101 in service (still decorated?)
MKA's the "newest" EEs thought to be free of the chopping block but
It seems 2133 (?) after 3 months of waiting for repairs is the first to be condemned

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  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
2132 is the stored MKA.
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
Thanks for that, I had it noted down but wasn't at home.
  i_know_nothing Train Controller
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
And both D's to go also.
Somehow I think they will not survive - its going to be hard enough to get an example of each EE preserved never mind one of the two D's. They may even be slated for spare parts for the 2050's (I'm not sure how much of a D is compatible with a 2050).

The three DQ's that won't be kept I would suspect will also be spare parts.

Interesting times.
Get out and get photos of your favourite EE's now before its too late, because it very soon will be.

Kind regards,

Toby
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
I don't think there is much compatible, I think they are simply clapped out they have smelt like burning oil every time I've seen them.

Preservation maybe, they will still out live the EE's this could buy DTT enough time (we don't just love EE's)

Yeah at 50 years old one would guess parts are becoming hard to get and they would also be surplus to requirements.
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
I don't think there is much compatible, I think they are simply clapped out they have smelt like burning oil every time I've seen them.

Preservation maybe, they will still out live the EE's this could buy DTT enough time (we don't just love EE's)

Yeah at 50 years old one would guess parts are becoming hard to get and they would also be surplus to requirements.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
And both D's to go also.
Somehow I think they will not survive - its going to be hard enough to get an example of each EE preserved never mind one of the two D's. They may even be slated for spare parts for the 2050's (I'm not sure how much of a D is compatible with a 2050).

The three DQ's that won't be kept I would suspect will also be spare parts.

Interesting times.
Get out and get photos of your favourite EE's now before its too late, because it very soon will be.

Kind regards,

Toby
DQ2004

[Foaming]Perhaps some EEs might return to Queensland[/Foaming] 8)
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
[Foaming]Perhaps some EEs might return to Queensland[/Foaming] 8)
Graham4405

Well, it looks like the W.A.based ex South Spur 'ZB'/QR '2350's are due for disposal, so if Qld diesel fans can get their stuff organised, it may be easier to get an EE from W.A. transported overland than shipped from Tas, over the most expensive stretch of water in the world.
  Peter-Hem Locomotive Driver

Location: Tassie
Is it so hard to believe that it would be so difficult for TasRail to gather together at least one example of each retiring locomotive and keep them somewhere in static storage; at least for the short term until some kind of static/functional museum could grow some legs?

I mean give me a rough monetary estimate for how much one of these locomotives would fetch $$$ for scrap instead?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Problem is, where would TasRail store them, out of harms way etc?

As for price, probably $10,000 or more.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Well, it looks like the W.A.based ex South Spur 'ZB'/QR '2350's are due for disposal, so if Qld diesel fans can get their stuff organised, it may be easier to get an EE from W.A. transported overland than shipped from Tas, over the most expensive stretch of water in the world.
12CSVT

I was thinking more along the lines of an operator wanting to break into the Queensland scene being interested in them. Doesn't seem likely that it would happen though! Smile
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
10,000!? That's pushing it scrap is worthless at the moment to transport them anywhere will blow the cost out but so far tasrail is doing a good job so far with preserving stuff. At least 1 of every class remains at ETJ (or still in use) and most wagon classes. Hopefully this stuff will end up at DTT
  Peter-Hem Locomotive Driver

Location: Tassie
Problem is, where would TasRail store them, out of harms way etc?
Z1NorthernProgress2110

Well I would have thought laying a small siding in the Inveresk Yard, in an out of the way corner of the QVMag complex.
Just a little place to store them, until they are ready to be restore to presentable condition.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Well I would have thought laying a small siding in the Inveresk Yard, in an out of the way corner of the QVMag complex.
Just a little place to store them, until they are ready to be restore to presentable condition.
Peter-Hem

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  theesp Train Controller

Rumoured that ZB 2123 & Y 2151 were supposed to be towed back north this week. That didn't happen.  
Next week is looking probable..... :/
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
What has been proposed to replace 2123 at Boyer Scott? A DQ presumably? Any nominees?
  theesp Train Controller

A pair of DQ's......
One doesn't cut it. A 2050 would make more sense.....
Time will tell I guess
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
A pair of DQ's......
One doesn't cut it. A 2050 would make more sense.....
Time will tell I guess
theesp

Hmmm. 2 x DQ = 2 lots of thirsty fuel sucking 645s vs. 1 x ZB = 1 fuel miser 12CSVT. The fuel cost maths doesn't add up (even if accounting for the higher maintenance cost of the EEs.).

I agree a 2050 would be more sensible, but as the 2050's are the best locos next to the TR's, and would likely to remain needed on the mainline to supplement the TR's, one would be wasted at Boyer. Would a 'D' be better placed at Boyer (although I realise they are fairly much disliked and due for the chopping block)?

I sometimes think Tasrail should have invested in a few more surplus QR/Aurizon 2150's / 2170's (at least another 6 to 8  ) to back up the TR's and cope with growth, allowing the life expired DQ's to all be flogged to South Africa (where there seems to be a ready market). Maybe more peformance was expected from the TR's than these relatively small locos are actually capable of?

It will probably be quite a few more years before Tasrail gets funding to get any more new locos (either a few more TR's or a version of the Aurizon '4100' class, or maybe even the new GE 'Powerhaul').  Problem is, if Tasrail keep expanding their traffic base (which I hope they do) they may run into loco shortages, as the TR's haven't been able to significantly reduce the numbers of locos used on trains - well at least as much as was envisioned.
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
It's ok then they can hire EE's off DTT, Eh Steve? Wink
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Well there would be no shortage of DTT members driving for Tasrail to drive them!
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I sometimes think Tasrail should have invested in a few more surplus QR/Aurizon 2150's / 2170's (at least another 6 to 8 ) to back up the TR's and cope with growth, allowing the life expired DQ's to all be flogged to South Africa (where there seems to be a ready market).
12CSVT

I guess it's not beyond the realms of possibility that something similar to this could still happen.
  Electric C Junior Train Controller

Location: The Shed - land of junk, smoke and wonder
It appears that the last ZB's (5/2123) time has come. This is the last ex QR loco in service after 26 years. This leaves only Z1&2 and Y5 in the AN yellow and probably the Y won't last much longer.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
This is the last ex QR loco in service after 26 years.
Electric C

Well, the last ex QR EE anyway. Of course the EMD '2000's (DQ) ex QR 1502 / 1460's and 2050's, ex QR 2150's, are still screaming around the state! (for the moment anyway...)
  theesp Train Controller

Aren't you forgetting the 5 remaining MKA's
Ex QR with a new cab. Just a ZC Mk II Wink

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