5917 to Singleton - Saturday June 21st

 
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

I have not seen a thread on this (apologies if one has actually been started) so I thought I would let people know who may be interested but are unaware that 5917 is doing a run to Singleton tomorrow, Saturday June 21st.

The loco departs Eveleigh hauling a single water gin at 06.35, arriving Broadmeadow at 10.45.

One of the LVR diesels hauling the Blue Zephyr set departs Sydney at 09.09, arriving Broadmeadow at 11.48.

The diesel is removed, 5917 attached and the train departs at 12.17, arriving Singleton 13.34. The train then runs out and back to Camberwell balloon loop for turning. The special departs Singleton at 16.16, the locos swapped at Broadmeadow and departs from there at 18.07.

5917 with the water gin returns to Sydney on Sunday,departing Broadmeadow at 10.18.

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
One of your excellent videos would be nice !
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
4903 and 4204 will be on the Diesel leg of this trip

Kind Regards
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Whilst it was requested by LVR and those chartering the train that the times be kept as secret as possible, it seems such things are unavoidable. It's good that times are made available to assist people in photographing and experiencing the train, although out of respect to those who have chartered the train, if enthusiasts could avoid clogging up the platform at Singleton and getting underfoot of the passengers on this charter trip, I'm sure LVR and all involved would appreciate it.

This is not spoken on anyones behalf, just as an observation.
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Whilst it was requested by LVR and those chartering the train that the times be kept as secret as possible, it seems such things are unavoidable. It's good that times are made available to assist people in photographing and experiencing the train, although out of respect to those who have chartered the train, if enthusiasts could avoid clogging up the platform at Singleton and getting underfoot of the passengers on this charter trip, I'm sure LVR and all involved would appreciate it.

This is not spoken on anyones behalf, just as an observation.
Raichase

If the organizers really wanted to "keep it secret" then they could simply request that an STN and TAA not be published weeks before the event and a Tables Telegram or "GM" be sent out a day or so before the running instead.
I have been discussing videoing this event with LVR staff and it was never once said that it was a "secret".
In actual fact, one of the aspects of chartering a train that the people riding on it enjoy is the sight of people trackside waving and photographing. The only real downside, as you have implied, is idiot gunzels getting in the way, or worse, behaving in an unsafe manner, at locations where the train is stopping.
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  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Whilst it was requested by LVR and those chartering the train that the times be kept as secret as possible
Raichase

So how would you know? Did a senior person in LVR say that, or write it down, not ?

although out of respect to those who have chartered the train, if enthusiasts could avoid clogging up the platform
Raichase

That's the concern of others, not yours.

Raichase, Bevan is correct.

But what is all this so called "secrecy" around special train trips all of a sudden, especially the Blue Zephyr's trips?
  SJB Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Picture if you will....

Having hired a train (something I imagine to be beyond the reach of most), you arrive to find the platform crowded with enthusiasts foaming at the mouth to get the first/best etc photo of the train. When did the people running and patronising the train become second class citizens? I think I missed that memo.

The levels of arrogance and self importance on display in recent times is trueky astonishing.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
If the organizers really wanted to "keep it secret" then they could simply request that an STN and TAA not be published weeks before the event and a Tables Telegram or "GM" be sent out a day or so before the running instead.
I have been discussing videoing this event with LVR staff and it was never once said that it was a "secret".
In actual fact, one of the aspects of chartering a train that the people riding on it enjoy is the sight of people trackside waving and photographing. The only real downside, as you have implied, is idiot gunzels getting in the way, or worse, behaving in an unsafe manner, at locations where the train is stopping.
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Bevan Wall

I'm not having a go at you, or anyone else who is sharing the times. At no point did I say it was wrong to share the times. It is indeed impossible to run a "secret" train. Assuming that nobody else shares the times, the very noise of a steam hauled train on the day is enough to let the cat out of the bag. At no point did I say "not" to chase, photograph or wave at the train.

I simply made my post as a request for people to respect the wishes of those who have chartered the train and keep away from Singleton platform to prevent the people who have paid thousands of dollars for the experience from being inconvenienced.

As for Newcastle Express and his typical childish inability to think outside of his own selfish wants, I'm going to ignore your silly "me too" comments. As for how I know the times were requested to be kept secret, I was told this by multiple members and volunteers of LVR who requested a tight lid on the times.

I just knew that a polite request for enthusiasts to stay away from Singleton would be met with at least one "I do what I want" attitude. People wonder where the goodwill has gone in this hobby...
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How could any operator run any train secretly ?

Thiese are not the days of The Cold War anymore.

Hilarious.
  Octane Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney, NSW
5917 on time through Pennant Hills...

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John
  SJB Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Those who bother to read the ENTIRE Special Train Notice/s would notice the following appears in every single one...

"Information contained within this document is for the information of employees and not for publication."
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Nobody is trying to operate a "secret train". What they are doing is trying to avoid the times of said train becoming public knowledge. If people sight it on the day and share things down the line (I run one and am a member of a number of other groups on Facebook for train tracking). If I sight a train I've been told to keep the times quiet of, once it's been sighted, it's open season, and I make sure the sighting reaches as many people as possible.

The reasons for the request were clearly outlined in my post.

It's typical of rail enthusiasts to be childishly selfish in their demands and their perceived "right" to information that they get all offended when such movements occur and nobody made sure to tell them to mark their calenders. I'm done trying to be polite. Get over yourselves. If a train runs and nobody tells you the times first, life will go on. You have no right to any train running information. You have no right to turn up and do what you want.

You can sit down, shutup and enjoy the heritage trains provided by the hardworking volunteers at LVR, ARHS ACT, NSWRTM, Steamrail or any other mainline heritage group in the country. When the trains are for public running, the timetables are well known in advance. If someone wants to drop thousands of dollars to charter a train and they would like those times kept as secret as possible to the day, then I'm going to respect their wishes. You do not have a right to anything, and the majority of enthusiasts might find out more if they just stopped being so damned entitled.

What a load of nonsense.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Nobody is trying to operate a "secret train". What they are doing is trying to avoid the times of said train becoming public knowledge. If people sight it on the day and share things down the line (I run one and am a member of a number of other groups on Facebook for train tracking). If I sight a train I've been told to keep the times quiet of, once it's been sighted, it's open season, and I make sure the sighting reaches as many people as possible.

The reasons for the request were clearly outlined in my post.

It's typical of rail enthusiasts to be childishly selfish in their demands and their perceived "right" to information that they get all offended when such movements occur and nobody made sure to tell them to mark their calenders. I'm done trying to be polite. Get over yourselves. If a train runs and nobody tells you the times first, life will go on. You have no right to any train running information. You have no right to turn up and do what you want.

You can sit down, shutup and enjoy the heritage trains provided by the hardworking volunteers at LVR, ARHS ACT, NSWRTM, Steamrail or any other mainline heritage group in the country. When the trains are for public running, the timetables are well known in advance. If someone wants to drop thousands of dollars to charter a train and they would like those times kept as secret as possible to the day, then I'm going to respect their wishes. You do not have a right to anything, and the majority of enthusiasts might find out more if they just stopped being so damned entitled.

What a load of nonsense.
Raichase
+1000

Some people here are arcing up like they're entitled to this information. You're not entitled to squat. Archer summed it up nicely with "Information contained within this document is for the information of employees and not for publication."

What started as a very reasonable request to observe common courtesies has turned into one of the most ridiculous arguments I've seen on Railpage.
  SJB Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
In the age of open access and third party operators, one has to wonder how much longer it may be before all train running information goes 'off the grid' suffering a similar fate to the ARTC Train Tracker.

I'd like to echo Raichase & Michael's sentiments on this issue, this has defiantly been one of the most ridiculous arguments in some time.
  JGS Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
Sadly, the rail enthusiast movement has plenty of examples of people who ate happy to take pictures without contributing to help keep the trains running. I'm not talking about the majority of people who spread their time between motorcading tours and riding tour trains, with some practical assistance to groups thrown in. I'm talking about the douchebags who have nothing to do with heritage groups or tours, but expect info to be provided so they can get their precious photos.

If you do nothing to support the running of tours, then you're a sponge and a bludger. Pure and simple.

Cheers,
Matt
  JGS Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
To clarify, before the sooking begins, if you want something for nothing; if you expect information to be provided, so you can get pics, but you do nothing to support the preservation movement or the running of tours, then you're a user.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Oh great, the clickable thumbnails don't seem to work with the new Flickr layout on here


5917 on 8S08 about to cross a small viaduct just before returning to Singleton station.
If you want the original size, click here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/34023326@N02/47oVf6

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  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

I started this thread (which I’m now regretting) sohopefully it will finish with this post, unless people have some more photos to add.


I’m in the process of compiling the next LVR fundraising DVDand need a little more current footage. I was told about this tour a while ago and had discussed some videoing opportunities with a number of LVR staff. I did not get the impression that there was an attempt to keep it quiet. Sometimes organisations and operators do make such requests and, like Raichase, I always respect that.


I know that there are some younger steam fans who live inthe Newcastle area and have not yet developed the communication networks that most older railfans have been able to and I thought they might appreciate a heads up on this working the night before. This is the first time I have started a thread providing details on a heritage operation. Usually one of the regular contributors to Railpage who has the time to monitor the STN and TAA sites or who is directly involved with an organisation does that. If my action caused any problems I apologise.


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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
On the topic of fundraising, if anyone wants to watch some great LVR steam footage and help pay for the running of their fleet, Fotoz offers a fundraising DVD on their website:

http://www.fotoz.com.au/

LVR in Steam 2008 is a collection of footage of 3237 and 5917 running on various trips.
  stephen88 Chief Commissioner
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Loved the bit of the Video when they were overtaking the Stationary Coal Train, no doubt the drivers would have enjoyed seeing the 59

Kind Regards
  SAR520SMBH Train Controller

Fantastic video, loved it. Love the whistle on the 59 class too. Being South Australian and a fan of the deeper, throatier SAR whistles, I reckon 5917s whistle is much better than some of the higher pitched, screechy whistles on other NSW locomotives.
My favourite part of the video was at the end when she was let loose, nothing better than the sound of a steam loco at full noise.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I would've used the stabilizer, but the copyright text jumps around, as if it's on a separate layer, or something, and if I knew it was going to go on the Up track, I would've gone on the other platform.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BijCksUQO-o
  SJB Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I would've used the stabilizer, but the copyright text jumps around, as if it's on a separate layer, or something, and if I knew it was going to go on the Up track, I would've gone on the other platform.
Newcastle Express

It shouldn't be a problem unless you are trying to stabilize your final render with a 3rd party program like Youtube's inbuilt video stabilizer. What are you using to edit with, Vegas? Premierer, Avid?

Also I note your embedded video link to this thread doesn't play outside of the Youtube page.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Not sure Archer. I'm trying to do a short test, with Youtube's stabilizer, but it's been saying "Edit in Progress" since about 3pm yesterday - for a 10 second video.

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