Austrains C van

 
  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

Looks like Austrains have just put up a new release on there website , The VR C van available now in stock

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  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Woops, let the 'C'at out of the bag.

Paul
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Woops, let the 'C'at out of the bag.

Paul
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  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Hmm, the body looks to be sitting too high.
  orangeandgrey Beginner

Hello all,

Can anyone in the know tell me when these vans were removed from revenue service? I model 1984-1990, and I'm thinking these vans may be just a bit too early.... Info needed!

Cheers in advance,

Chris
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Hello all,

Can anyone in the know tell me when these vans were removed from revenue service? I model 1984-1990, and I'm thinking these vans may be just a bit too early.... Info needed!

Cheers in advance,

Chris
orangeandgrey

Hi Chris,

Have a look at Peter Vincent's excellent site here: http://pjv101.net/cd/pages/c110m.htm

There is a vehicle history list that will give you an idea when members of the class were withdrawn. Of the specific four numbers listed on the Austrains site:

21C - withdrawn 1970, photo 1994
32C - withdrawn 03/03/1983, photo 2003
23C - withdrawn 03/03/1983
27C - unknown, photo Sept. 1958
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Spectacular release?
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Spectacular release?
gw0071

I guess to them and some of us too Smile
Cheers
Rod
  vrwalker Station Master

Can anyone please shed any light on the most efficient way to fit the Kadee #5's to this excellent looking model?
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
I thought they had them as standard -I don't have one- or are they using the same couplers as the PL carriages? On those all I did to fit Kadee #148's was unscrew the bogies and then the coupler box baseplate, gently lever up the brass springbox past the mounting post and remove, install the #148 and reinstall the coupler box baseplate and bogies.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
I thought they had them as standard -I don't have one- or are they using the same couplers as the PL carriages? On those all I did to fit Kadee #148's was unscrew the bogies and then the coupler box baseplate, gently lever up the brass springbox past the mounting post and remove, install the #148 and reinstall the coupler box baseplate and bogies.
ARodH

When I picked up a pack of C vans at the exhibition yesterday, Austrains were providing a two-pair pack of Kadee 5s. The C vans did not have any couplers fitted.
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
When I picked up a pack of C vans at the exhibition yesterday, Austrains were providing a two-pair pack of Kadee 5s. The C vans did not have any couplers fitted.
TheMeddlingMonk

I got the smaller clones, apparently there were two types of knuckle available but no Lima or Tri-ang option.

Mark
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
I got the smaller clones, ...
Mark
LaidlayM

Not picking on Mark, but why is it that people use the euphemism "clone"? I looked it up in the Oxford Dictionary on-line:

Biology An organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical:vines representing all the 15 existing clones were plantedMORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.1A person or thing regarded as an exact copy of another:guitarists who are labelled Hendrix clonesMORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.2A computer designed to simulate exactly the operation of another, typically more expensive, model:an IBM PC clone

So if something is a copy let's call it a copy, and not dress it up as something ethically acceptable! At least that is what I see as the reason for using the term "clone" rather that "copy" or "knock off".
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Not picking on Mark, but why is it that people use the euphemism "clone"? I looked it up in the Oxford Dictionary on-line:

Biology An organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical:vines representing all the 15 existing clones were plantedMORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.1A person or thing regarded as an exact copy of another:guitarists who are labelled Hendrix clonesMORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
1.2A computer designed to simulate exactly the operation of another, typically more expensive, model:an IBM PC clone

So if something is a copy let's call it a copy, and not dress it up as something ethically acceptable! At least that is what I see as the reason for using the term "clone" rather that "copy" or "knock off".
John_Bushell

True John, a good observation, maybe we should find a term that is not judgmental, what about Kadee "compatible"?

Mark
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Regarding couplers (I know - off topic),

To my mind (which is probably suspect most of the time) clone infers that the result is identical.  

Unfortunately my experiences and observations show that most of these couplers do not operate indentically to a Kadee.  They are substandard in almost all respects, with springs regularly disappearing, jaws jamming open or closed, trip pins incorrectly aligned (horizontally not vertically), they frequently uncouple when a train bunches up and then stretches out again, they frequently will not couple when two vehicles are brought together, they do not reliably uncouple over uncoupling magnets, and one of the weirdest the jaw broke on a coupling I saw a photo of........ unheard of with a genuine Kadee.

The Chinese are getting very good at copying their appearance.  They look identical but you can tell when it is not a genuine Kadee when the problems above start occurring.

The problem now is that it is difficult to tell by appearance whether it is a copy or a real Kadee.

They are definitely not comparable (nor compatible) with a Kadee.

The best term is copy, and they are only a poor one at that.

Happy coupling,

John
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
What about calling them "knuckle couplers"?  No comparisons, no judgements.  I've had little trouble with non-Kadee knuckles but will probably get fussier and I finish bigger jobs on the railway.

Mark
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I have had nothing but trouble with these copied knuckle couplers as stated by c3526blue they are now considered rubbish and consigned to the bin! All of them! It is genuine Kadee couplers of any number or it is nothing! Kadees have been around for 50 years or more and are the best still!

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