Napthines imploding government

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Napthine is down in the polls and seems desperate to announce any public transport project he can get his hands on.

Political commentators are now starting to state the upcoming state election will be decided on transport policy and transport improvements.

Is the game already over for Napthine given the coalitions appalling record on public transport not does he still stand a chance ?

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  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Do you actually know what the word imploding means?

Poor marks for naming it the same as the other piece of crap in this forum.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

IMO Napthine could easily get re-elected if he:1) Ditched the East-West link and made water-tight commitments with action wrt Public transport.
2) Thought long and hard about better options for a new Port for Melb.

The biggest liability for the ALP is Daniel Andrews.  Too close to corrupt unions, too close to a scandal involving a stolen voice recorder....  If they had a more centrist leader like we had in Steve Bracks (someone like James Merlino???), then Napthine would be history.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
IMO Napthine could easily get re-elected if he:1) Ditched the East-West link and made water-tight commitments with action wrt Public transport.
2) Thought long and hard about better options for a new Port for Melb.

Carnot


the issue would be one of trust. the libs as i read have made promises on transport prior to the last victorian election and failed to deliver.  what has changed?

if they did dump the road tunnel they would probably win.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Interesting to hear Napthine this morning, saying that that his mob would stand on their record, and their plans for infrastructure.
Their record is pretty well non existent, apart from continuing the Grand Prix and Tennis Centre Giant Money Wastes which they inerited. (They've just signed the GP up for another term, which they should have avoided.)
Standing on their plans could be fatal, given the fact that there are still plenty from the last election upon which nothing has been done at all.
If, and it's a big if, the ALP can avoid doing something completely dumb and self-destructive, the election should be a shoo-in.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Labour should win this coming election.

The libs are going out on a limb by testing on their achievements  there are none. I expect this will be a list of consulting projects  they have completed to set the projects up for after the next election.

Then they will be shelved. Looking at a list there hve been a lot of announcements but no delivery.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Labour should win this coming election.

The libs are going out on a limb by testing on their achievements there are none. I expect this will be a list of consulting projects they have completed to set the projects up for after the next election.

Then they will be shelved. Looking at a list there hve been a lot of announcements but no delivery.
freightgate

But what are the ALP offering?

Lots of urban level crossing removals, original Metro tunnel alignment, .....?

No airport rail link, no SG to Mildura, no Mernda rail extension,.....  Are they expected to pull some rabbits out of a hat before November, or will they be just as non-committal as the LNP?
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
lots of time to talk about this you vics but the australian has the latest poll showing napthine will be wiped out!



this is not surprising for all the reasons discussed.  we should now move to discussing what can be salvaged by the labour government (come november)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

If you believe that Newspoll, then half of Vic have moved to Melb since 2010.  So probably a few points skewed to the ALP/Greens in comparison with reality.

But note increasing dissatisfaction with Daniel Andrews.  Unsurprising.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Labour should win this coming election.

The libs are going out on a limb by testing on their achievements there are none. I expect this will be a list of consulting projects they have completed to set the projects up for after the next election.

Then they will be shelved. Looking at a list there hve been a lot of announcements but no delivery.
freightgate

I live in a marginal Liberal seat - the other day there were spruikers down the street trying to corner people about how wonderful my local member is. When collared, I pointed out that all we have (the same as in 2010) is a long list of unfunded promises and I was stupidly told "Ah, yes, but we're going to deliver on them this time". Really?

No wonder the electorate is apathetic.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Today's Newspoll swing, as factored into the ABC's Antony Green's election calculator: http://www.abc.net.au/news/vic-election-2014/calculator/?mode=overall&overall=6.7 Note that that's on a 2 party preferred basis and doesn't factor in any local issues or the inner Melbourne seats that the Greens and Labor are fighting over.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

But what are the ALP offering?

Lots of urban level crossing removals, original Metro tunnel alignment, .....?

No airport rail link, no SG to Mildura, no Mernda rail extension,..... Are they expected to pull some rabbits out of a hat before November, or will they be just as non-committal as the LNP?
Carnot

Given the current political situation the best labor can do is say nothing and make sure no one of there crew make an stupid remarks. Apparently the liberal party is doing everything it can to lose the election. One can only look on and wonder "what do they think they are doing".

Has anyone told them they only have a single seat majority.

As far as I can see Labor lost the last election due lack of public transport policies, the Libs are likely to lose this election due to almost no action on public transport inspite of promising much, surely there are some in that massive pile in Spring st that realise that what Victorians wish for is better public transport. Politicians like to make out they are inteligent but one looks on the current circus and really wonders!!!

woodford
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It all puts one in mind of "Yes, Prime Minister".

JimHacker is upset that the papers are calling him a windbag; saying that he's all talk but nothing ever gets done.
He says to Bernard, "It simply isn't true. There are great new schemes in the pipeline. great new developments  . . . in the geo-political structure ot the country."
Bernard: "So, what is actually happening?"
Jim:" Well, nothing yet, obviously..."

Sound familiar?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Agreed with Woodford. Daniels needs to announce the labour policies and confirm they will cancel east west link he is in.

Recent polling shows the level crossing removal programme to be more popular than the east west link which is not a surprise.

Napthine being tossed out is highly likely but not absolutely certain.

In reality the libs policies now are so far from what people now expect from politicians they were always doomed to fail. Elected on a public transport policy agenda they hve failed dismally.

East west link announcements and the pushing of this unpopular and financially stupid project agenda has finished them.

People are just sick of it.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The LNP came to power in 2010 because it seemed they were listening to their constituents.  And the ALP were on the nose due to their money wasting projects.

Since the LNP have been in power, they've been saving money but not spending it.  But then all of sudden commit to blowing it on a white elephant called East-West link.  They simply don't appear to be listening to their constituents.

As for the level crossing removal commitment by the ALP - I suspect that they might ending biting off more than they can chew with long disruptions to PT causing a rethink.

I hear Jeff Kennett might make a comeback..... Rolling Eyes
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Just what Napthine needs to help him win the election. Jeff Kennett back to cause more chaos and public transport cuts.

At least he won't be able to blame the issues on labour.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Some pertinent comments from Kenneth Davidson:
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/labor8217s-east-west-link-8216policy8217-is-pathetic-20140820-1069pz.html

"Labor's Treasury spokesman, Tim Pallas, originally said Labor in government would not cancel the contract because to do so would involve "sovereign risk". When it was pointed out that this was incorrect, Pallas claimed a government could not break a signed contract because it would lead to heavy financial losses if the state lost its triple-A credit rating as a result. He was then forced to retreat from this canard. The loss, in the unlikely event of a credit rating downgrade, would be trivial compared with the cost of proceeding with the link and the near certainty of a credit downgrade if the road is built."
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Thanks for that interesting quote from Kenneth Davidson- I'm not convinced they'll make much of an effort to cancel it once the contracts are signed though. I guess we'll find out after the election IF they win.

As for Jeff returning to politics: Why would he? He's already got lots to do - and I don't think he would want to run the risk of coming back just to sit on the opposition benches for four years. It was like the half-hearted efforts to recycle the Labor ex-Premiers of NSW and QLD back into politics, just because they were popular Premiers doesn't mean they can re-start their careers at a whim.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The recent comets from Tim Pallas are enough to spread fear into the hearts of Victorians.

I am really beginning to dislike both sides of politics at both state and federal level.

Has there ever been a time where the quality of politicians and policies hve been so bad ?

It is a terrible state of affairs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for that interesting quote from Kenneth Davidson- I'm not convinced they'll make much of an effort to cancel it once the contracts are signed though. I guess we'll find out after the election IF they win.
don_dunstan


Kenneth is a terrific writer and actually reads this site.  Kenneth is one of these guys who can just get to the crux of the issue.  We is to be respected.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I've read Kenneth for years while he was a regular contributor to The Age, I'm in agreement with you there, Bevans.

I was completely unsurprised to read his analysis in the paper today regarding Labor's spineless tacit support of East-West. I bet they're already concocting a story about how they're contractually obliged to complete the damn thing (as per the nebulous lines from Pallis about credit ratings); un-electing Napthine will probably have no effect whatsoever on stopping this tunnel.

I despair the fact that voting does absolutely nothing to change things under the current duopoly.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I despair the fact that voting does absolutely nothing to change things under the current duopoly.
don_dunstan

Yet despite that, so many will piss their vote away by voting for the greens and other sundry swill.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I've read Kenneth for years while he was a regular contributor to The Age, I'm in agreement with you there, Bevans.

I was completely unsurprised to read his analysis in the paper today regarding Labor's spineless tacit support of East-West. I bet they're already concocting a story about how they're contractually obliged to complete the damn thing (as per the nebulous lines from Pallis about credit ratings); un-electing Napthine will probably have no effect whatsoever on stopping this tunnel.
don_dunstan

One can only hope that the legal challenge to the tunnel by a couple of local councils succeeds and will somehow provide an out-clause after the election in that existing contracts could be invalidated?  I'll leave that one for lawyers etc. to work out.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/councils-east-west-link-legal-challenge-deferred-until-after-election-20140822-107d6i.html

As for the Greens, there is much I agree with, and much that I utterly despise and place in the nutcase/fruitcake/dangerous/totalitarian category.  I could never vote for them TBH. Sigh....
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
As for the Greens, there is much I agree with, and much that I utterly despise...
Carnot

I have a theory that if their vote gets high enough the majors will be forced to deal with them and they'll change their policies anyway... 'compromise for the sake of power' kind of thing. I agree with you though, there's a lot in their current platform that I don't like, they get a bit Orwellian in their zeal for the environment at times.

They polled over 20 percent in my seat at the last election, it might be even higher this time around. My theory is that a growing Greens minority of lower house MP's might finally force the duopoly to take them seriously and start prioritising mass transit over Los Angeles grids.

I still hate the Labor Party for Myki, 'worlds biggest' desal and (completely unnecessary) north-south pipeline - they spent the stamp duty windfall on some really stupid things.  However flawed Regional Fast Rail turned out to be it's almost enough to forgive them and RRL will probably turn out equally good.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Yet despite that, so many will piss their vote away by voting for the greens and other sundry swill.
TheBlacksmith

The trouble is that they are all 'swill'.

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