An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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  dmgrail Junior Train Controller

Location: Wangaratta Vic. 3677
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2 ZL leaving Seymour thismornig. Possibly to a new home.....
bpjudd


From information that I have, 2 ZL is heading to Healesville to join the Yarra Valley Railway fleet

DMG

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  dmgrail Junior Train Controller

Location: Wangaratta Vic. 3677
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2 ZL leaving Seymour thismornig. Possibly to a new home.....
bpjudd


From information that I have, 2 ZL is heading to Healesville to join the Yarra Valley Railway fleet

DMG
  darcycammo Assistant Commissioner

Location: cockatoo vic
http://www.srhcblog.blogspot.com.au/

Check out the updates

stuff like
S303 came back to Seymour almost 6 weeks ago for engine attention

"work for the dole" program at the depot

replacement tender for J515

Qube Logistics have returned C501 to Seymour
  Carnot Minister for Railways

http://www.srhcblog.blogspot.com.au/

replacement tender for J515
darcycammo

Where did that come from?  Was that originally meant for J512?

It would be nice to see J515 on the mainline again.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
replacement tender for J515
darcycammo

Wow! Big deal. Meanwhile J515 sits forlornly at Maldon with the "Work Needed" list getting longer. The replacement tender is utterly useless until 515 is brought right up to scratch. This includes a lift which should have been done years ago.  SRHC surely has the strangest of priorities.
  bpjudd Station Staff

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C501 at the turntable in Seymour today..... of note quite abit of rust at the base of the drivers side cab.
  bpjudd Station Staff

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Does anyone know what number the SG Y Class is that is being restored?
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
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Does anyone know what number the SG Y Class is that is being restored?
bpjudd

According to the Blog that one's Y151. Y115 and Y169 are also there to be reactivated and repainted.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Where did that come from? Was that originally meant for J512?

It would be nice to see J515 on the mainline again.
Carnot

No. The tender was originally behind J503, and was later coupled to another coal burning J tender by the drawbar for use as a water gin after 503 was scrapped. The other J tender was apparently stuffed, so it was scrapped in the late 1980's by the then SLSPG, and 503's tender was kept as a spare. Work started on rebuilding the tender tank during 2006. In late 2006, J515 was transferred to Maldon for what was supposed to be six months, and the partially rebuilt tender was shoved up the back of the shed. From memory, the tank still needs the bottom put on it, and a few other bits and pieces done to the underframe before the tank can be secured. Seems a bit odd that they'd want to work on the tender now, when they have had ample time to do so in the past. The same could be said for J515 - why the sudden interest? It's been all but ignored since probably the first half of 2007. Bit late now.

I would love to see J515 back on the mainline, but not with the SRHC. They have moved beyond needing/wanting a steam locomotive (both the president and treasurer have said point blank in the past that they don't need the J). Nowadays, it simply doesn't fit in with the direction that President Rutledge has led the group/company in. It would be far better to see the SRHC step aside, and allow someone else who does want the J, to take over the allocation with their blessing - something I would applaud. The J should be with a group who will really care for it, and who will actually utilise it to haul heritage trains. Since perhaps mid-2007, the SRHC haven't demonstrated any interest in J515's maintenance or upkeep. The VGR have, as I have alluded to in previous posts, and have even tried to broker deals with the SRHC for J515's sorely needed overhaul. Each time, the SRHC have been totally non-commital in response.

In my opinion, it would be most beneficial for J515 to stay at the VGR on a permanent basis, with the odd jaunt out on the mainline hauling heritage tours, and/or visiting Newport where there are the right facilities for any heavy maintenance/repairs.
  639 Chief Commissioner

Just out of interest, who owned 2 ZL? Victrack or SRHC?
  dmgrail Junior Train Controller

Location: Wangaratta Vic. 3677
2 ZL is owned by VicTrack

DMG
  Pontificator Beginner

Location: Nomad - "on the road again."
Was not 2ZL dedicated to a long serving railway employee, then recently passed, by the SRHC Members in the late 80's ? (Public ceremony on No 2 platform with a presentation made to the late employee's wife and family ).

Was not a brass plate affixed to the vehicle in the gentleman's honor ?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
There's no place for sentiment in a money-making business.
  Webslave Site Admin

Location: Altona, Melbourne
Anyone know if there is any truth to the rumour going around that some Y and T class stock being moved to SRHC for refurb were deliberately derailed on the turntable in Seymour?  I'm told that stock was variously shunted onto concrete and onto a rail that had been turned onto its side!

I'm also told that PN are getting rid of some locos via tender with a specific requirement that the locos are to be scrapped which is purely targeted toward the actions of particularly the SRHC.  Anyone able to confirm?
  scumcock Locomotive Fireman

Anyone know if there is any truth to the rumour going around that some Y and T class stock being moved to SRHC for refurb were deliberately derailed on the turntable in Seymour? I'm told that stock was variously shunted onto concrete and onto a rail that had been turned onto its side!

I'm also told that PN are getting rid of some locos via tender with a specific requirement that the locos are to be scrapped which is purely targeted toward the actions of particularly the SRHC. Anyone able to confirm?
Webslave

As reported elswhere several months ago subject to investigation:

Rail Safety
In March this year this office became aware of
an activity in shunting that was so
irresponsible and dangerous that it beggared
belief. When it was first reported I refused to
believe it, until I saw the photographic
evidence.
Espee Railroad Services, owned by Railway
Historical Society (A.C.T. Division) was
moving locomotives to Seymour Railway
Heritage for refurbishment—Y classes and T
class. This episode is subject to investigation
from V/Line, the track access provider, and
the regulator in Victoria.
The detail of who was responsible for moving
the locomotive on the turntable at Seymour is
not yet established. The crew that drove the
Espee Railroad advised that the R.H.S (A.C.T
Division) had an access agreement with V/Line to
operate in this location. V/Line has not verified this claim,
and the existence of an access agreement is in doubt.
The outcome of the activities between Seymour Heritage
personnel and the Espee personnel was that the
locomotive and fuel oil tanker were deliberately derailed
on the turntable at Seymour. See right.
The tanker was pushed onto a rail and placed on its side.
Our members have to work around the unsafe and
dangerous activities and of organisations that have a

disregard for safety.
At this stage we don’t know if the perpetrators have any
safe working or loco driver qualifications. Perhaps they
have their own safety system of management—
something akin to Metro’s safety system…
In any case, we have been advised by the responsible
authorities that the activities of Seymour Heritage and
Espee will be curtailed until the facts have been
established.
  Webslave Site Admin

Location: Altona, Melbourne
As reported elswhere several months ago subject to investigation:

Rail Safety
In March this year this office became aware of
an activity in shunting that was so
irresponsible and dangerous that it beggared
belief. When it was first reported I refused to
believe it, until I saw the photographic
evidence.
Espee Railroad Services, owned by Railway
Historical Society (A.C.T. Division) was
moving locomotives to Seymour Railway
Heritage for refurbishment—Y classes and T
class. This episode is subject to investigation
from V/Line, the track access provider, and
the regulator in Victoria.
The detail of who was responsible for moving
the locomotive on the turntable at Seymour is
not yet established. The crew that drove the
Espee Railroad advised that the R.H.S (A.C.T
Division) had an access agreement with V/Line to
operate in this location. V/Line has not verified this claim,
and the existence of an access agreement is in doubt.
The outcome of the activities between Seymour Heritage
personnel and the Espee personnel was that the
locomotive and fuel oil tanker were deliberately derailed
on the turntable at Seymour. See right.
The tanker was pushed onto a rail and placed on its side.
Our members have to work around the unsafe and
dangerous activities and of organisations that have a

disregard for safety.
At this stage we don’t know if the perpetrators have any
safe working or loco driver qualifications. Perhaps they
have their own safety system of management—
something akin to Metro’s safety system…
In any case, we have been advised by the responsible
authorities that the activities of Seymour Heritage and
Espee will be curtailed until the facts have been
established.
scumcock

Just found that reference actually...

Looks interesting!


  ssaunders Chief Train Controller

I think the piece is a union opinion rather than fact and is available on the union web site. Another opinion has the delivery made and then SRHC workers moving items around parked them this way as a result of a shortage of storage space.

ss
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
I'm also told that PN are getting rid of some locos via tender with a specific requirement that the locos are to be scrapped which is purely targeted toward the actions of particularly the SRHC. Anyone able to confirm?
Webslave


That sounds like something the ACCC might be interested in to be honest. The only logical reason that that clause would be put there would be to keep the locomotives and or rollingstock from being purchased by competing companies and wouldn't that be clashing with the fair trade regulations that are supposedly in place?

It all seems very sus to me and the lack of any word about these 'agreements' makes it even more so, provided there are agreements between PN and scrap dealers.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Another opinion has the delivery made and then SRHC workers moving items around parked them this way as a result of a shortage of storage space.

ss
ssaunders

This is the version I have heard. Standard gauge storage space is at a premium, both in the SRHC depot, and the V/Line depot.

As far as I am aware, SRHC personnel (volunteer or paid) are not permitted to drive or shunt in the V/Line loco depot area on both broad and standard gauge. All movements are to be carried out by qualified mainline drivers, either from V/Line; Qube, or PN (not sure about Espee).

I am open to correction on the above, as things may have changed.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Was not 2ZL dedicated to a long serving railway employee, then recently passed, by the SRHC Members in the late 80's ? (Public ceremony on No 2 platform with a presentation made to the late employee's wife and family ).

Was not a brass plate affixed to the vehicle in the gentleman's honor ?
Pontificator

Haven't heard about that. 2ZL spent most of it's time right up the back of the shed, and I don't recall seeing a plaque fitted to it. Could you please elaborate further?
  emmastreet Chief Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
X31 on yesterday's Down Deniliquin rice train.
  Pontificator Beginner

Location: Nomad - "on the road again."
It is my understanding that 2ZL was dedicated to a Mr Jack Francis, long time Victorian Railways employee and Seymour resident. Early advocate / supporter for what was then the SLSPG.
Ceremony on No 2 Platform.  Brass plaque affixed to wall in compartment of van.
Significant and respectful event attended by family members. Dedication by then President of SLSPG.
Reported in Seymour Telegraph.
Members of SLSPG from that time could probably provide further details.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
An interesting question for which I expect no answer to be given in a public forum: Where is 2ZL now? It's not at Healesville and it would've arrived there by now if it was headed that way.
  dmgrail Junior Train Controller

Location: Wangaratta Vic. 3677
An interesting question for which I expect no answer to be given in a public forum: Where is 2ZL now? It's not at Healesville and it would've arrived there by now if it was headed that way.
LancedDendrite

You are correct that 2 ZL is not at Healesville. Unconfirmed report suggests that VicTrack have changed their agreement with YVR and 2 ZL has gone to an undisclosed recipient /location.

DMG
  Conspiracy Station Master

I think the piece is a union opinion rather than fact and is available on the union web site. Another opinion has the delivery made and then SRHC workers moving items around parked them this way as a result of a shortage of storage space.

ss
ssaunders


Since when did photographic evidence become opinion?

Looks deliberate to me, its a bit hard to accidently put a vehicle on a rolled piece of rail.

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