Decommissioning of the 2000 Class Railcars

 
  Soliloquy Beginner

The State Government is retiring the 2000 Class and 2100 Class railcars and is progressively removing them from service.

If any party is interested in acquiring any or all of the fleet they are encouraged to respond to an Expression of Interest process.
The Expression of Interest is on the Tenders SA website. A free registration process will be necessary.
Expressions of interest are being sought from companies who want the vehicles in serviceable condition, in an unserviceable condition, or for scrap value.

https://www.tenders.sa.gov.au/tenders/tender/display/tender-details.do?id=26612&action=display-tender-details

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  Tallstreak Locomotive Driver

Location: Adelaide
Hi all,

Thanks for posting the tender information Soliloquy.

Does anyone know if any of the jumbos are still in regular service and if so where and what times?  I would love to catch some of them on video before they are a distant memory.

Cheers.
  n3rdism Beginner

Tallstreak.  I would suggest the Gawler line.  They are still in use mainly for the limited stop services.  There are a couple of 4 car sets in operation at the moment as well.  You can see them stabled in Gawler yard as well prior to the morning services as well as holding them in the North car yard at Adelaide during the day.  There are also some 2000 services operating on the Outer Harbor line.  As far as I am aware only the3 car sets there.  Hope this helps.
  poxbox3030 Train Controller

Location: Train Control
Is anyone aware of any possible Farewell tour using the Jumbos which may be being organised? I am sure such an event might be organised by NRM.

If anyone has any info I would appreiate it so I can get time off work to fly over and attend.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Is anyone aware of any possible Farewell tour using the Jumbos which may be being organised? I am sure such an event might be organised by NRM.

If anyone has any info I would appreiate it so I can get time off work to fly over and attend.
poxbox3030


The government has been keeping the complete retirement date of the jumbos mostly a secret but its really the worst kept secret as several staff at the ARS keep saying its by the end of February. Hard for the NRM to plan an event like that when the government isnt really helping it much.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Hope the Jumbos are given a farewell tour, they definitely deserve it.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The government has been keeping the complete retirement date of the jumbos mostly a secret but its really the worst kept secret as several staff at the ARS keep saying its by the end of February. Hard for the NRM to plan an event like that when the government isnt really helping it much.
Milkomeda

Is it a secret or just not something they don't consider news worthy as the final date has yet to be set because they actually know yet.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The government has been keeping the complete retirement date of the jumbos mostly a secret but its really the worst kept secret as several staff at the ARS keep saying its by the end of February. Hard for the NRM to plan an event like that when the government isnt really helping it much.
Milkomeda

How do you know that 'the government' are not already in discussions with the NRM.

'the government' have been extremely helpful to date with assisting the NRM in running the Redhens.  

Comments like this aren't really helping much?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Reasons why the date might be uncertain include


  • Delivery of EMUs

  • Full running of EMUs on all Seaford and Tonsley services is yet to occur

  • Establishment of a contract for their disposal (tenders have only just been called)

  • Uncertainty of arrangements (if any) with preservation groups (taking up Bing's point)

  • Insurance against significant EMU or DEMU failure/accident

  • Traffic growth (we can live in hope)

  • Getting the last vestiges of use out of equipment life (running them into the ground)



Imagine the flack if two EMUs were put out of service and services were then restricted due to lack of vehicles when the 2000s are sitting derelict at Dry Creek.
HELP! The Seaford limited stoppers might get made stops-alls!
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
On top of all the above reasons is that there is no compulsion to retire them until such time as there are live overhead conductors in the way of safe running. Leave them where they are until there is no room for them or no place to run. Don't want to rush these things as the sooner you do anything, the sooner you do something else, which in the long run means you are spending money faster.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

On top of all the above reasons is that there is no compulsion to retire them until such time as there are live overhead conductors in the way of safe running. Leave them where they are until there is no room for them or no place to run. Don't want to rush these things as the sooner you do anything, the sooner you do something else, which in the long run means you are spending money faster.
"nm39"

The one problem with this logic is that keeping them going could well be more costly than "spending money faster" - the first "do anything" action is to stop throwing money old trains built during the Cold War.

Eleven EMUs have now entered service, which leaves only two more being needed to cater for the Seaford extension and fully replace the 2000 fleet with the same amount of margin in the fleet to cover for unreliability. With that in mind, it's surely now an option to stop spending money on the 2000 fleet and let attrition take care of the retirement schedule - unless they are so bad that the combination of the available inventory and part stripping from failed units won't be enough to get even just a couple through to early next year when 4013 enters service, but if that's the case they sound more like liabilities rather than assets.

If a couple of 2000s can be nursed through until 4014 and 4015 enter service, that will create slack in the DEMU fleet which will allow the DEMUs to have a more generous preventative maintenance program started. Unless that mythical acceleration in EMU production to one unit per fortnight (as was promised in January 2013, April 2013, August 2013, November 2013 and a couple of times this year) comes before then, that time should be around February-March next year.

Whether some will need to be retired before they are run into the ground will depend on whether there anyone makes a good enough bid to buy any in serviceable condition.
  Sojourner Train Controller

What are the chances of the State Government donating sets of cars to the likes of NRM, Steam Ranger and others in SA?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
What are the chances of the State Government donating sets of cars to the likes of NRM, Steam Ranger and others in SA?
Sojourner

On another 'Jumbos' thread there's a discussion about NRM taking (I think?) one three-car set, not sure about the others you mention. I (for one) don't anticipate there will be any sort of commercial in-service use for them after Adelaide Metro but the outcome of the tender will tell us.
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

Is there any possibility of a farewell tour of the 2000's. It would be nice to see what they're capable of, like a return trip to somewhere (if possible) these trains are pretty useless at all stops services, would be nice to see it coast along.  
SmileEvil or Very Mad8)
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
On another 'Jumbos' thread there's a discussion about NRM taking (I think?) one three-car set, not sure about the others you mention. I (for one) don't anticipate there will be any sort of commercial in-service use for them after Adelaide Metro but the outcome of the tender will tell us.
don_dunstan

As far as I know one two car set maybe saved by the History Trust of SA, but who get this set is open to debate! If the NRM get it, it is a simple drive it in job, but they have to get it first! If NRM do not get it, the next most obvious place is Steamranger although that would require trucks and cranes to get it there or at least a truck that they can simply be rolled onto 4000 electric car style!
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
I have heard, from a good authority, that NRM is very optimistic to secure a 2-car Jumbo.  If that is confirmed eventually, there are already plans underway to have a farewell Jumbo tour (at least one!), taking into account all available lines that are Jumbo permitted...including access to NRM during that tour......stayed tuned for announcements from NRM when more info is known. 8)
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The government has been keeping the complete retirement date of the jumbos mostly a secret but its really the worst kept secret as several staff at the ARS keep saying its by the end of February. Hard for the NRM to plan an event like that when the government isnt really helping it much.
"Milkomeda"

I doubt there is any secret here, the original Rail Revitalisation spiel from the State Gov never gave an exact date, only a "They will be retired when there are sufficient EMU's to run the revitalised system"
With the delays in the delivery of the new EMU's and the apparent lack of action to electrify other lines and convert 3000's to EMU's and of course Media Mike no longer around to drive his "dreams", I doubt the gov could set a fixed date (and keep to it) if they tried!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I doubt there is any secret here, the original Rail Revitalisation spiel from the State Gov never gave an exact date, only a "They will be retired when there are sufficient EMU's to run the revitalised system"
"Pressman"
The closest Labor have come to giving a date was "by 2018" when the electrification was announced during the 2010 election campaign.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
As far as I know one two car set maybe saved by the History Trust of SA, but who get this set is open to debate! If the NRM get it, it is a simple drive it in job, but they have to get it first! If NRM do not get it, the next most obvious place is Steamranger although that would require trucks and cranes to get it there or at least a truck that they can simply be rolled onto 4000 electric car style!
David Peters

Would Steam Ranger even have the room - they have a lot of rolling stock up there as it is. And what would they do with it once they have one (presumably two car set), I suppose it will be one of the few air-conditioned options for stonking hot days but they're very thirsty aren't they.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Would Steam Ranger even have the room - they have a lot of rolling stock up there as it is. And what would they do with it once they have one (presumably two car set), I suppose it will be one of the few air-conditioned options for stonking hot days but they're very thirsty aren't they.
don_dunstan

I was just pointing out that they could go anywhere really not necessarily where every one thinks any way they only need a siding to stand on as they do now they are stainless steel so will not rust quickly if the paint comes off in places! Yes they gulp down diesel fuel but only because of the type of service they run on the Metro system stopping every 500 metres or so is not giving them a good run though. Which is what most of them do every day stop start all the time uses more fuel than an express run at any speed.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Got word that the Jumbos are now only running on the Gawler line during the peak period.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
David, the point is are they reliable (what sort of care they will need to keep them going) and what the ultimate ongoing expense of having them would be for an operator. For a tourist market they might not have much of a market... I have no doubt they would be much more efficient meandering across from Mt Barker down to the coast than on the suburban network but there has to be a market interested in using them outside of Adelaide. A lot of people might not want a ride in an authentic 1980's Adelaide suburban train even if it is relatively comfortable and air conditioned.
  BB 260 Locomotive Fireman

David, the point is are they reliable (what sort of care they will need to keep them going) and what the ultimate ongoing expense of having them would be for an operator. For a tourist market they might not have much of a market... I have no doubt they would be much more efficient meandering across from Mt Barker down to the coast than on the suburban network but there has to be a market interested in using them outside of Adelaide. A lot of people might not want a ride in an authentic 1980's Adelaide suburban train even if it is relatively comfortable and air conditioned.
don_dunstan

Don. What you have written is what people said back in the late 1990's, when the "Red hens" were been totally withdrawn. Now people want to ride in them. SteamRanger and the NRM use them very successfully and they aren't aircond or heated.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Anything needs care and maintenance though even exhibits in places like the NRM they don't just stand there and look good for eternity without some work being done on them now and again. These railcars if Steamranger got them could be run on extremely hot days with the passengers in side in some kind of coolness to the outside temperature though it might actually get more passenger's to go on them in air conditioned railcars!. It is not like they were going to be run every day though. But it is up to the History Trust to place them with someone not for us on here to dictate where they would best be put.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Don. What you have written is what people said back in the late 1990's, when the "Red hens" were been totally withdrawn. Now people want to ride in them. SteamRanger and the NRM use them very successfully and they aren't aircond or heated.
BB 260

Yes this is exactly right what you have said BB 260 the Red Hens just about anywhere these days people want to go on them, not just in SA either but interstate as well.

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