Election stunt / railway station planned for Epsom

 
  wyche123 Locomotive Fireman

I walked down to the new station today, to get a train to Melbourne. Got there at 8.49 AM, to discover that the next train to Melbourne was the next day!

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Are you saying the station was not in use yesterday or you had missed the last train for the day ?
  wyche123 Locomotive Fireman

There are only two early trains a day. Both gone by 8.49Am. The new station that doesn't have trains.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Now you realize why the accelerated construction and opening is just an election stunt in a marginal seat. Two trains to Melbourne on a Weekday before 1000 and then nothing is just a cruel misleading hoax. However from 04/15 timetable if we can believe Government then alternate Bendigo trains will originate/terminate at Eaglehawk and Epsom.

Public patience with State Government on public transport promises is wearing thin. Like Mulder promised November 2011. lx protection upgrades. between Bendigo and Echuca and line speed increase to 100kmh. As at. 10/14. lx p rotection only just completed 15 months late, and V/Locities still crawling along at a pathetic 75 kmh.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
this out today. points more to a lack of services rather than people not wanting to use the station.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/empty-epsom-has-allan-seeing-red
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
*cough* PR stunt *cough*
  Bethungra Train Controller

*cough* PR stunt *cough*
Some rail man

From which side?  The station will gain patronage over the coming periods if services are added.  is there any reason why additional services cannot be added now to extending Bendigo services?
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
What possible benefit does this have over upgrading local Bendigo bus services, a far more useful, and less expensive proposition?

Kangaroo Flat works because the alternative is backtracking to Bendigo, not the case with Epsom.

Mr Bickley described the Labor Party's plan for a committee as a "another talk fest with no real action".
Local Lib Hack

Oh the irony.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
None. I knew it was going to be dud from the beginning. Even with the government's plan to alternate each Bendigo service between Epsom and Eaglehawk, I have no doubt that people will still prefer to go to Bendigo because of the greater frequency.
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
None. I knew it was going to be dud from the beginning. Even with the government's plan to alternate each Bendigo service between Epsom and Eaglehawk, I have no doubt that people will still prefer to go to Bendigo because of the greater frequency.
railblogger

And that's why I think Epsom station is a PR stunt, plus the station opening shortly before an election.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Anyone with a quarter of a brain can see that opening Epsom station 7 weeks before a state election was a calculated election stunt.  But just be grateful it was built!

There will be more services in future, and given the amount of housing development nearby, passenger numbers will undoubtedly increase markedly in the coming years.

Where the LNP really stuffed up was not buying enough rolling stock and getting faster and more frequent Echuca services happening by now as well.  To the best of my knowledge I haven't heard "boo" from Jacinta Allen on the latter though....
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Anyone with a quarter of a brain can see that opening Epsom station 7 weeks before a state election was a calculated election stunt. But just be grateful it was built!
Carnot


here here.  now that it is built you don;t have to worry about it again.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
More like; now that it is built that money is not available to provide real benefits by upgrading Bendigo bus services.

The main bus to Epsom/Huntley up the Midland Hwy only runs half-hourly, between 7am-6pm (useless for peak Melbourne travel), runs hourly on weekends, and finishes at 3pm on Sundays.  And this is the main service in that direction.  

It's no better for other trunk routes like the 1 south along the Calder Hwy, or the 5 west through North Bendigo to Eaglehawk.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
That bus service sounds inadequate. What is the patronage like ?

Are people actually using it ?
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
These are some of the main bus lines in Bendigo - others are far worse.

The state of the system makes gold plated pork barreling like Epsom a joke.

Even extending trains to Eaglehawk is a relative waste.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I tend to agree the bus services are inadequate. From what I hear this is the ADR across Melbourne also.

Unsure if this also extends to other regional centres like Geelong and ballarat and mildura.

The development of Epsom and Eaglehawk are in no way a waste of money. These are sound longer term investments.

Eaglehawk will benefit from additional services likewise Epsom.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Spending the money improving local bus services would prove far more fruitful.

The bus connections between Epsom/Huntley and Eaglehawk serve far more people than the stations.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I tend to agree the bus services are inadequate. From what I hear this is the ADR across Melbourne also.

Unsure if this also extends to other regional centres like Geelong and ballarat and mildura.

The development of Epsom and Eaglehawk are in no way a waste of money. These are sound longer term investments.

Eaglehawk will benefit from additional services likewise Epsom.
freightgate

With 04/15  tt  Geelong will be 20 minute Off Peak trains service, but all urban bus routes connevting with trains basically run to 60 minute frequency .

So catch a bus to the train and the maximum time you will wait is 20 minutes, but come off the train to connect to the bus and you have to wait up to an hour .

PTV Victoria was set up by Government to achieve two main objectives  1.  To get public transport co-ordinated  2.  To drive down the outrageous capital costs of rail projects like stations .    On both counts it has failed miserably, and the taxpayer is stuck with yet another bureaucracy  .
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With 04/15 tt Geelong will be 20 minute Off Peak trains service, but all urban bus routes connevting with trains basically run to 60 minute frequency .

So catch a bus to the train and the maximum time you will wait is 20 minutes, but come off the train to connect to the bus and you have to wait up to an hour .

PTV Victoria was set up by Government to achieve two main objectives 1. To get public transport co-ordinated 2. To drive down the outrageous capital costs of rail projects like stations . On both counts it has failed miserably, and the taxpayer is stuck with yet another bureaucracy .
kuldalai


The idea of not waiting any longer than 20 minutes for a train in the Geelong area which is a large city is certainly a major step forward.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Why does a train station building cost more than an ordinary house in many cases they are smaller such as Epsom. They use the same building materials. To build a brick house and buy the land in Epsom it would not cost more than $300,000. Epsom costs $7.76 million. Do they use gold-plated railway tracks.
wxtre

To start with stations these days are over engineered and built to withstand a nuclear attack . Simple suspended slab platforms such as exist on the extensions at North Geelong and North Shore are over 40 years old and quite adequate . Extensions at South Geelong and the second platform at Melton used old rails and concrete slabs ex level crossings to create a very sound platform .
The new platform at Waurn Ponds would support an Armenian tank !

Car park wise the entire sealed area is constructed to the same standard which adds extra cost . Money could be saved if the parking spaces were constructed to support car axle loads at low speed, and only through access roads and bus taxi bays be constructed to support the heavier axle loads .

The issue of disabled access required by law also adds to the cost of stations these days .

Finally the quoted cost of the station often includes other works like in the case of Waurn Ponds the cost also included a refuge siding and extension of the colour light absolute block signalling system (from Marshall ) controlled from Geelong Signal Control Centre .

All the same the station cost should be much lower. The current Government was horrified by the Labor Governments estimate for Southland and PTV was supposed to stop all the alleged Union rorts and drive the cost down blah, blah . . End result the current Governments cost for Southland is even more than Labors costing, and worse still Westfield as main beneficiary are not paying a cent . Victorian taxpayers should not be subsidising Westfield especially if they are not contibuting at all .
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Let us not forget the cost of corruption in the PTV as recently reported.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
I think you'll find the main cost is terraforming, bureaucracy, and an excessive, overpaid workforce.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
On the south morang extension over $150m was paid to Victrack to manage the project.

Siphoning is an interesting concept.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
It occurred to me that a way to control the insane "gold plating" and huge cost blow outs for rail infrastructure projects managed by The Bureaucracy might be to remove control from them entirely. One way to do this might be to simply invite "expressions of interest" from major civil engineering consortiums inviting them to submit project proposals.

So if say, the government wanted a line from South Morang to Mernda, the engineering companies proposals and tenders would cover everything, including station design, construction, project management, .... things like sidings, which minor roads crossing the line to build bridges over and which ones to abolish... everything.

When a few companies had submitted proposals, the state government could suggest a few tweaks and changes, but essentially the whole project would be designed, built and project managed by the successful company with no bureaucrats involved. I bet that would cut costs by quite a major percentage.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
bring in the crcc they can build high quality rail projects for much less cost.  give the workers a 457.

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