Melbourne commuter crush: Train system nearly at breaking point

 
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

Melbourne commuter crush: Train system nearly at breaking point






Melbourne’s besieged train system will reach ­capacity within three years, a study has found.




MELBOURNE’S besieged train system will reach ­capacity within three years and needs a significant overhaul to cope with population growth, a study has found.

Influential city lobby group, the Committee for Melbourne, has issued a dire warning that if action is not taken, commuters face chaos in the years to come.
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The report found:
NEXT year, the Werribee/­Williamstown and Frankston lines will reach capacity. It will happen to Craigieburn, Upfield and Sunbury lines by 2016;
PASSENGER numbers are ­expected to more than double by 2031 on metropolitan rail;
UPGRADING signalling systems is vital to allow trains to travel closer together; and
ONLY 30 per cent of Melburnians have access to a local train network.
CFM chief Kate Roffey said little had been done to fix ongoing issues.
“We must remember our train system, in terms of reach, has changed very little since it was primarily completed back in 1901,” Ms Roffey said.
“Since then, the only major outward extensions have been the Hurstbridge (1912) and Glen Waverley (1930) lines.”
Ms Roffey said the City Loop was the last major piece of urban rail added in 1985, which “ironically has become an inhibitor to the expansion of our rail network”.
The report suggested significant capacity building was needed to remove bottlenecks, and level crossings be removed.
CFM is a leading lobby group whose membership comprises major companies such as BHP Billiton, Melbourne City Council and the University of Melbourne.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Not surprising. A lack of capacity has been mentioned on here forbears and very little has wen done to fix it.

I recall identical discussion when kosky was running the portfolio. Ted came into power with all the welds promise and fixing the various issues.

Not surprising he did not nor did Napthine. We are in the same position as we were 4 years ago.

Rather than addressing critical rail issues Napthine has pushed a road agenda from a 1960's liberal party government manual.

It really does give new meaning to the word incompetent.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Moving block signalling (AKA CBTC/Cab Signalling) works very well when the trains have similar stopping patterns, i.e when express and stopping all stations services are segregated. With infrastructure upgrades like passing lanes (strategically placed third tracks) it can work quite well indeed. It also enhances safety because it allows overspeed detection and intervention (preventing what happened at Waterfall) and can prevent trains colliding 'in-section' through speed limiting and braking interventions (so it could prevent the collision at Galvin)

Fixed block signalling (aka existing systems) have a theoretical maximum capacity of about 24 trains per hour (150 second headways) on duplicated track. London's Underground has a frequency of about 30 trains per hour (120 second headways) on the CBTC-equipped Jubilee Line.

The Pakenham, Frankston, Craigieburn and Sunbury lines carry non-Metro traffic post-RRL, Sunbury only partially. That leaves a lot of lines that could benefit from signalling upgrades to the fullest extent possible.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Not surprising. A lack of capacity has been mentioned on here forbears and very little has wen done to fix it.

I recall identical discussion when kosky was running the portfolio. Ted came into power with all the welds promise and fixing the various issues.

Not surprising he did not nor did Napthine. We are in the same position as we were 4 years ago.

Rather than addressing critical rail issues Napthine has pushed a road agenda from a 1960's liberal party government manual.

It really does give new meaning to the word incompetent.
freightgate


The last serious upgrades to the suburban system was in the 1950's, Weston Langfords station signal diagram books clearly show how extensive were the changes. Since then Melbourne population has risen from around 1.5 million to around 4 million and now the train system is overloaded, fancy that who possibly could have for seen that................................................ Wink

woodford
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Scouring over the various promises made by labor for tomorrow's election I cannot find any announcements or policy to improve this situation.

There are no large signalling upgrades no 3rd tracks and no additional capacity other than the metro rail tunnel. (We probably need to review this again on here) as not clear which lines will receive the additional capacity.

So there is nothing in the labor announcements to fix these issues that I can find.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Scouring over the various promises made by labor for tomorrow's election I cannot find any announcements or policy to improve this situation.

There are no large signalling upgrades no 3rd tracks and no additional capacity other than the metro rail tunnel. (We probably need to review this again on here) as not clear which lines will receive the additional capacity.

So there is nothing in the labor announcements to fix these issues that I can find.
freightgate


Agreed.
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

...So there is nothing in the labor announcements to fix these issues that I can find.
freightgate

You are right, there isn't, even though every level crossing between Caulfield and Westall will be eliminated, i.e. the track will be dropped below ground level, there is no mention of taking the opportunity - in reality, a once in a lifetime opportunity - to include a third track. It would appear that they have been snowed by Metro's "it can all be fixed with better signalling" bulldust. Mind you, Metro doesn't mind if V/Line trains trundle along at 30kph trailing SAS Metro trains.
  toholio Station Master

But you are correct Labor have not mentioned additional tracks or upgrades to the Cranbourne/Pakenham line.
wxtre

Would the level crossing removals they've promised for the Cranbourne line cause them to at least duplicate the track past Dandenong? Seems like you'd leave enough room for double tracks in all grade separations of single tracks since it's in the PTV plan anyway.

The crossings would be:

  1. Abbotts Road DANDENONG SOUTH

  2. Thompsons Road LYNDHURST



There are some others in the area but they're on the Pakenham line.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
I see denim shorts and singlets are back in fashion.
  gxh Junior Train Controller

Location: SE suburbs
I see denim shorts and singlets are back in fashion.
QSB6.7

errr.....doesn't really look like a typical 9 to 5 commuter crowd, does it?
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
errr.....doesn't really look like a typical 9 to 5 commuter crowd, does it?
gxh

The point I was making.  This must be a weekend pic of people waiting to go to a music festival or something.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
ONLY 30 per cent of Melburnians have access to a local train network.

What a load of crap. I'd be very surprised if the majority of Melbourne was not within walking distance from a station.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
What a load of crap. I'd be very surprised if the majority of Melbourne was not within walking distance from a station.
Braddo

Depends what you call Melbourne.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
What a load of crap. I'd be very surprised if the majority of Melbourne was not within walking distance from a station.
Braddo

I think that you stand to be surprised.
  lkernan Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Abbotts Road DANDENONG SOUTH
toholio


I don't think this one will ever be done as such.

It's much more likely for the missing link between Remington Drive and Pound Road to be done and Abbotts Road closed to through traffic.
  toholio Station Master

I don't think this one will ever be done as such.

It's much more likely for the missing link between Remington Drive and Pound Road to be done and Abbotts Road closed to through traffic.
lkernan


That would make a good deal of sense.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I don't think this one will ever be done as such.

It's much more likely for the missing link between Remington Drive and Pound Road to be done and Abbotts Road closed to through traffic.
lkernan

I remember when the line first opened, Abbott's road was unsealed and not overly busy. Now, it is a very busy road.
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
The point I was making. This must be a weekend pic of people waiting to go to a music festival or something.
QSB6.7

That pic is in Perth
  GvhftrKijl Locomotive Driver

Location: ERD
That pic is in Perth
Some rail man


No.

The banner on the fencing in the picture would suggest otherwise.

Last time I checked, Metro do not operate trains in Perth.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
That pic is in Perth
Some rail man

That pic is not in Perth. It is at Southern Cross. If you look carefully in the top left corner, there is RRL construction work going on.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
The track is too wide for Perth!
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
Although it does look like a station on the Joondalup line
  simeyau Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sunbury, Victoria
It is Southern Cross as has been quoted before. It was before they had put rail down on Platform 15
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
It is Southern Cross as has been quoted before. It was before they had put rail down on Platform 15
simeyau

now I know that
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

"NEXT year, the Werribee/­Williamstown and Frankston lines will reach capacity. It will happen to Craigieburn, Upfield and Sunbury lines by 2016;
PASSENGER numbers are ­expected to more than double by 2031 on metropolitan rail;"

With the Werribee / Altona / Williamstown Group  VLP will be on RRL from 04/15  so the V/Line paths released will allow scheduling of many extra peak trips on this group.

Northern Group -  with  VLP on RRL to Sunshine this opens up paths for extra services in the Sunbury corridor, again from VLP paths released .

Craigieburn also potentially should get a few extra direct Peak Flinders St services using the Broadmeadows flyover at North melbourne and passing through platforms 5/6 at North Melbourne, now VLP is largely out of the way through North Melbourne. .

The fall of the Napthine Government now means that the original Metro will proceed providing heavy rail service from Parkville & University right down the Swanston st / St Kilda Road spine to the Domain and onto South Yarra .  This will be a much better solution overall than Napthines second rate solution.  Gross overcrowding on Swanston St & St Kilda Road trams will be eased , and the extra inner CBD rail capacity will be achieved .

Andrews needs to pull the finger out and sort out the funding for Metro Rail and have it well underway before the next State election .  If he does not then his Government will get the big "a"  too for not addressing and fixing Melbournes rail capacity crisis.  Something the last two Premiers failed to do .   The Melbourne people have spoken they want to try more and better PT  rather than endlessly building more roads, that are full of more cars the day they open .

Metro Rail has a very good rate of return as asessed by Infrastructure Australia, and as such the State should be able to arrange International funding whilst still retaining  the AAA Credit rating .  There are trillions of $ in Australian Super Funds looking for good solid returns like Metro will deliver, all it takes is a financial guru to work out how to leverage those funds to achieve Metro .  

Daniels will also be under the pump to get the Mernda rail extension done within 4 years or that will be a sore point also .

The Dandenong corridor  project is a private proposal by Metro and that will no doubt continue but in conjunction with the new  Government .

As for Frankston Line, what is going on ?  Brumby fell on the lack of action on the Frankston Line, and now  Napthine  ditto.  Dapper Dan will need to get his new PT  Minister  Jacinta Allan cracking on that one too, or the sandbelt seats  will take out their same revenge on a third Premier in 2018.

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