Bomen sidings-closed??

 
  Westby3026 Locomotive Driver

Driving past the Bomen station today, the siding (to caltex fuel depot, austrak sleeper factory and the defunct meat works) no has a stop block places across the rails about 20m west of the station, just before the road crossing. End of an era??

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
The fuel siding has not seen a train since 2009. The last fuel train was 1327/3128 on Dec 19, 2009. Hauled in by X52/X50/X51, and they returned in the opposite order.

I can't speak as to when the sleeper siding was last shunted... AFAIK the only traffic to/from Bomen is the intermodal terminal, which is shunted by BM2/MB2 (?).
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Driving past the Bomen station today, the siding (to caltex fuel depot, austrak sleeper factory and the defunct meat works) noW has a stop block places across the rails about 20m west of the station, just before the road crossing. End of an era??
Westby3026

FYI, here is a diagram of Bomen dated 2008.

See: http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR257.pdf

Since the abovementioned sidings are non-interlocked, they are not actually show on this diagram, which only shows interlocked tracks. FLOG (Fat Lot Of Good).

The diagram contains a few flaws:
* Turnout speed missing in two cases.
** 51 Northbound, X80 southbound
** 55 (default X25?)
* Loop length at Bomen missing
** Why should we care?
* Signals with pulsating aspects, flashing yellow and flashing band of yellow, not shown.
** Except Distant for BN05 which is marked with a "P".
* BN17 Distant has a Junction Repeater; should BN06 have one as well?
  M636C Minister for Railways

In the past, I've seen trains shunt forward across the road to move container wagons about in the intermodal sidings. I think you can do most of that shunting stopping short of the road, which I've also seen.

I assume the stop block is on the main line side of that road crossing.

I drove through on 2 January but didn't look about much because I'd just photographed the down XPT at Shepherd's and thought if I was quick I could get it again from the bridge at Kapooka (due to the stop in Wagga and the location of the Wagga bypass). It worked, (without speeding) and took some boredom out of the Canberra -Melbourne trip.

I think the crossing signs were still there but only the tank wagons in the compound were on that side of the road. I checked to see any other wagons on the sidings but there weren't any.
I didn't notice the stop block.

M636C
  Westby3026 Locomotive Driver

Yes your correct all signs are still in place, fuel wagons still locked in their compound etc.

Yes stop block is on mainline side of the road crossing
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
The fuel siding has not seen a train since 2009. The last fuel train was 1327/3128 on Dec 19, 2009. Hauled in by X52/X50/X51, and they returned in the opposite order.
Raichase

Those fuel facilities still look to be in good condition.  Where was fuel loaded for this location in Sydney?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Those fuel facilities still look to be in good condition.  Where was fuel loaded for this location in Sydney?
8077
Sandown, also closed.
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
QUBE Logistics took over the initial loading there and placed it on their MC/CM1 service. I'm not sure if this is still the case with their 1311/3112 train. This then stopped trains loading there....

Though in recent times Pacific National has found new loading which is either placed on MB/BM2 or MC2/CM3. Yesterday when I drove past, there appeared to be loading ready to be placed onto MB2 or BM2.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Sandown, also closed.
Raichase

No other loading facility in Sydney?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
No other loading facility in Sydney?
8077
No.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
The fuel siding has not seen a train since 2009. The last fuel train was 1327/3128 on Dec 19, 2009. Hauled in by X52/X50/X51, and they returned in the opposite order.

With me as the driver Coota-Bomen-Coota.
Raichase
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Great memories! We chased it from Yass Junction to Junee, then picked it up again north of Coota that afternoon.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/raichase/4224272930
  Westby3026 Locomotive Driver

I'm guessing that caltex owns the wagons? What's the future hold for them? What would have to happen to see fuel carted by rail again?
  M636C Minister for Railways

I'm guessing that caltex owns the wagons? What's the future hold for them? What would have to happen to see fuel carted by rail again?
Westby3026

A few ex NSW Caltex wagons have been moved to WA for further service and a couple from Caltex for use by BP in WA.

The Caltex wagons are painted light blue and the BP wagons are maroon.

I'm not sure where these came from, (Not Bomen...) I saw two of them heading west on a steel train.

Shell left six tankers in their Canberra terminal. They were still there last I looked...

M636C
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm not sure where these came from, (Not Bomen...) I saw two of them heading west on a steel train.
M636C
Enfield, most likely. A long rake of them were stored there after the Bomen train ceased. They seem to have gone now.

As for fuel on rail again, not likely in the short term. I'd suggest that it would make more sense to buy new wagons to carry it than restorting to 50+ year old wagons anyway...
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Great memories! We chased it from Yass Junction to Junee, then picked it up again north of Coota that afternoon.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/raichase/4224272930
Raichase
Here's some video of the up train recorded late that Saturday arvo.
BW



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN43cVToW9k
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
As for fuel on rail again, not likely in the short term. I'd suggest that it would make more sense to buy new wagons to carry it than restorting to 50+ year old wagons anyway...
Raichase

I agree new wagons would be required for new services but why do not think running fuel again when coal is about to plummet is something which could take a while?

PN's intermodal business is in freefall.  What else could they turn to given they are not the sharpest pencils in the pack?

The loading could come out of Corio which I think is still rail connected.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I don't believe attacking Pacific National is a smart play here. Who's to say it was their decision to stop railing fuel to begin with? I'm sick of railfans always targeting companies as being some kind of evil decision making entity to foil their plans to take lots of train photos. It's quite tiresome.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

The issue with returning fuel haulage to rail is nothing to do with PN...or the oil companies. It's to do with the way road hauliers like Linfox, Toll, Scotts, Finemores approach the opportunity to haul fuel. They take on the totality of the task. Loading tankers, organising the logistics of the distribution, unloading fuel, and taking the risk away from their customer (Shell, BP, Caltex, etc.) and on it goes.

It's not a case of loading up a rake of tankers at Corio or Sandown. How is PN (or Aurizon) going to get the fuel from the bulking handling point at, say, Bomen to the servos that were once serviced by that particular point? They don't have a supply chain.

Of course, what they could do is approach the Linfox's of the world with a business case outlining how they could work a joint venture rather than trying to go 'heads up' against them (a fight the rail companies will NEVER win).

Rail will never recover until they adopt a new concept than takes 'supply chain' into account and not just 'hauling freight'. I've worked at Linfox for a long time and it's sad to see rail just not really having any idea of how to compete with road.

People tell me all the time that freight is 'time sensitive' and some is but, here's a surprise, freight performance is not really about time, it's almost always about reliability. In other words, deliver my freight when you say you will not +/- 3 days. I sold rail freight solutions into the market and reliability ALWAYS came into the equation.
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Fuel companies call the shots, not rail companies. In a modern world of good roads and larger fuel trucks it is far more economic to fill up a truck at the port and it drives directly to the fuel station. There is only a few rural storage facilities and their future is not long for this world. The world has changed...
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I don't believe attacking Pacific National is a smart play here. Who's to say it was their decision to stop railing fuel to begin with? I'm sick of railfans always targeting companies as being some kind of evil decision making entity to foil their plans to take lots of train photos. It's quite tiresome.
Raichase
In most cases It's market forces at play.

Some people just don't understand this !
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
In most cases It's market forces at play.
Nightfire
Don't be silly, it's obviously the big evil rail operator conspiring to "lose" business so that they can scrap all of the locos the gunzels want to photograph whilst they laugh!
  bl262000 Junior Train Controller

G'day all,

Carefull ParkesHub.....your saying there are other ways to do things beside the railway.....not good on these kind of forums/groups/lists.........but you are pretty much correct!


3l diesel wrote:
"My understanding was that the rail receival terminals were not up to modern environmental etc standards and it was going to cost quite a sum to bring them up to an acceptable standard."

Its not just the loading/unloading facilities which ain't up to standards, the wagons themselves don't meet standards interms of access requirements for maintenance (at least in NSW). If maintenance companies won't accept the risks of doing the jobs required, then you can't perform the regular maintenance required to keep them on the rails.
The cost for new wagons and new facilities to bring them up to current required standards will cost bulk $$$ yet the road transport industry has already had to make these changes over time and are "generally" meeting the current requirements to move the product.

cya
BL262000
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Don't be silly, it's obviously the big evil rail operator conspiring to "lose" business so that they can scrap all of the locos the gunzels want to photograph whilst they laugh!
Raichase

What is probably more the case (see my post over in the GWA discussion) is a lack of understanding on how to "partner with the customer" as this leads to a better financial and business outcome for all concerned.

I am yet to see this happen in the petroleum space but I could be wrong.

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