JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Is the line to Fingal still open and are logs still loaded at this location?

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  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Line still open. Only coal is on this line. The only log traffic is from Brighton to Bell Bay.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is fungal the line terminus ?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Is fungal the line terminus ?
freightgate
Yes, I believe unless things have changed that there is a Y or triangle at the end for the coal trains to turn and load on. One of the forks of the Y is the former line to St Mary's. The line through to St Mary's was removed before I first saw it in the early 90's.

I don't believe logs were loaded there for a long period and was introduced by the yanks. They had a few other short lived loading yards as well.

I'm sure others may clarify further if needed.

regards
Shane
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Yes, I believe unless things have changed that there is a Y or triangle at the end for the coal trains to turn and load on. One of the forks of the Y is the former line to St Mary's. The line through to St Mary's was removed before I first saw it in the early 90's.

regards
Shane
RTT_Rules

What traffic did originate or terminate at St Mary's?
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
Yes, I believe unless things have changed that there is a Y or triangle at the end for the coal trains to turn and load on. One of the forks of the Y is the former line to St Mary's. The line through to St Mary's was removed before I first saw it in the early 90's.

I don't believe logs were loaded there for a long period and was introduced by the yanks. They had a few other short lived loading yards as well.

I'm sure others may clarify further if needed.

regards
Shane
RTT_Rules
There used to be 3 log loading sidings on the Fingal Line, Jubilee, I think one operated by Llyods North on Log Yard Road Fingal and one at the old Mount Foster Timber Mill Fingal.
It seems unfortunate Tasmania now only has 19 log wagons out of the 200+ there used to be. The wood chip industry was always going to make a come back when the dollar fell. It appears the proposed 300,000,000 tonne annual export will be predominately road transported.

Back in the days when the line was open to St Marys coal was transported from Jubilee, Mt Nicholas, Yates, Fingal & Avoca. I remember back when coal was being loaded from the Seymour mine at Jubilee.
St Marys had three fuel depots, BP, Mobil & Shell as well as cattle yards and daily loadings of sawn timber.
Quite often the Mt Nicholas coal train was refuged on the colliery branch to let the morning rail car to Launceston pass.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There used to be 3 log loading sidings on the Fingal Line, Jubilee, I think one operated by Llyods North on Log Yard Road Fingal and one at the old Mount Foster Timber Mill Fingal.
It seems unfortunate Tasmania now only has 19 log wagons out of the 200+ there used to be. The wood chip industry was always going to make a come back when the dollar fell. It appears the proposed 300,000,000 tonne annual export will be predominately road transported.
BP4417

Were these log trains operated at a time before the network was sold or after it was sold to PN?

What happened to the 180 log wagons?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
AN Tasrail days, later ATN days there was logs loaded somewhere on the line. Time PN came in, they stopped log traffic.
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
What happened to the 180 log wagons?
bevans
PN scrapped a lot of them before Tasmanian goverment brought the railway.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
AN Tasrail days, later ATN days there was logs loaded somewhere on the line. Time PN came in, they stopped log traffic.
Z1NorthernProgress2110

Are you stating PN stopped the traffic or ATN?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
My memory says its either late ATN or early PN days.
  tasrail2100 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane, Queensland.
Are you stating PN stopped the traffic or ATN?
bevans
I think it was in the early PN days.  I believe this train in January 2006 was the last lot of logs from the Fingal Line I saw (PN were at the reins by then).

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  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
There used to be 3 log loading sidings on the Fingal Line, Jubilee, I think one operated by Llyods North on Log Yard Road Fingal and one at the old Mount Foster Timber Mill Fingal.
It seems unfortunate Tasmania now only has 19 log wagons out of the 200+ there used to be. The wood chip industry was always going to make a come back when the dollar fell. It appears the proposed 300,000,000 tonne annual export will be predominately road transported.

Back in the days when the line was open to St Marys coal was transported from Jubilee, Mt Nicholas, Yates, Fingal & Avoca. I remember back when coal was being loaded from the Seymour mine at Jubilee.
St Marys had three fuel depots, BP, Mobil & Shell as well as cattle yards and daily loadings of sawn timber.
Quite often the Mt Nicholas coal train was refuged on the colliery branch to let the morning rail car to Launceston pass.
BP4417
Oh I forgot the most important Coal forwarding station back then, Cullenswood had a wagon examiner, post mistress, a loop, siding, wye, water tanks and ash pit.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
In summary Te log traffic was substantial and killed off by PN.

Log traffic is bail able but not being taken up by tasrail ?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
There is log traffic in Tasmania, just not on the Fingal line. AFAIK, the contract for Artec at Bell Bay is from south to Bell Bay. Not sure where if any logs from Fingal area is handled by and to who.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There is log traffic in Tasmania, just not on the Fingal line. AFAIK, the contract for Artec at Bell Bay is from south to Bell Bay. Not sure where if any logs from Fingal area is handled by and to who.
Z1NorthernProgress2110

Hi.  What is "south"?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Logs are loaded at Brighton, at the transport hub which is in the South of Tasmania.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Logs are loaded at Brighton, at the transport hub which is in the South of Tasmania.
Z1NorthernProgress2110

Thanks.  From where do the logs originate?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
From southern forests. Hardwood woodchip logs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
From southern forests. Hardwood woodchip logs.
Z1NorthernProgress2110

No rail line out there?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Only one i can think of is Derwent Valley line which needs mega dollars to bring it up to scratch. But that's it.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is the Derwent Valley line still mainline connected ?
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
Yes, Boyer newsprint mill uses part of it. From the yard limit past Boyer heading to New Norfolk and beyond still there but not used, needs lots of work to be fit for freight trains. DVR have been lobbying hard to lease the line for there operations for tourists etc.
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
There were plans at one stage, by the previous Govt, when the Pulp Mill project was still alive and before the woodchip market crashed, to route all log truck traffic up the private forestry roads from the Huon Valley to the Derwent Valley via the Styx Valley to a terminal between Karanja and Westerway on the upper Derwent Valley Line to tranship to rail to be sent north. This would have meant rebuilding the D.V. Line between Boyer and Westerway including upgrading the major Derwent River Bridges to take contemporary 90 - 110t locos.

The bridges are currently limited to 60t locos, hence latter day Tasrail locos, such as the EE 'Z' series and the EMD 'D' series could not get past New Norfolk. The long gone 830 class Alcos were the last Tasrail locos used beyond N.N. Of course, the TGR 'X' & 'Y' class have always been acceptable power on the line and were the last power used on the line to National Park by D.V.R.

The demise of Gunns and the Longreach Pulp Mill proposal and the collapse of the woodchip market saw the end of any grand plans for the revival of the D.V. Line beyond Boyer for freight. Although there is still a fair bit of timber being sourced out of the southern forests (and reportedly being sold at a huge loss), our current mindless and incompetent Govt would rather complain about paying private truckers direct subsidies (on top of the indirect subsidies they already get from taxpayers/motorists and public roads) to road logs north and the come up with ludicrous ideas to stockpile and ship woodchips from the cruise ship port of Hobart as a "solution" than do something sensible such as use rail!
  i_know_nothing Train Controller

The Derwent Valley line is in quite good shape, needing some sleeper replacement, some culvert and drainage works and bridge redecking and minor repairs. The limiting factor in using it is, as Steve said, a lack of light enough locomotives that can cross the bridges (while structurally in excellent condition, the bridges are wrought iron which limits their load. There is some question whether or not the piers could take higher loads if the spans were replaced with steel. No one has looked at it). TasRail appears to be unwilling to source lighter locos (a handful of 1720's perhaps?) or, more costly, replace the bridges despite the apparent substantial traffic offering? No costings have ever been done on upgrading the line, the only (ridiculous) figure floating about was apparently pulled out of a bureaucrats butt on the fly about 15 years ago and seems to have stuck.

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