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  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
And to summarise, what is wrong with them, as someone said that it's not a small list?
Newcastle Express
  • Gaps on the ends of the windows on the cab units.
  • Rolls like a brick and looks to have little to no grease on the power unit gear boxes.
  • Inside of headlight housings need to be black and the lights are well defined
  • Headlights are probably wrong size as well.
  • The grey paint on the outside of the headlights which throws the look of the units
  • Paint on the Red/Purple units isn't gloss (Less important on Purple/Green units running with them as they have faded to matte)
    and possibly slightly the wrong shade of purple. (but not a major issue)
    Possible errors on the placement of one side of the red paint scheme Vline logos, and definite errors on the numbers used on the windscreens
  • Lack of black around the edge of windscreen
  • In darkness the lights illuminates the body? (not sure, james13 told me this)
  • HID headlights aren't brighter than the normal and are turned on on DCC with the regular headlights all the time
  • Interior lights dont work on DCC (I'm using a ESU Lokpilot)
  • 2 end headlights are mapped on function 2 when a DCC chip is put in, which on digitrax is useless
  • Pilot gaps
  • The odd mould line and casting flash.
  • Possible interior error on near the toilets. I need to double check but it doesnt seem right.


Off the top of my head

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  Mansfield Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
  • Gaps on the ends of the windows on the cab units.
  • Rolls like a brick and looks to have little to no grease on the power unit gear boxes.
  • Inside of headlight housings need to be black and the lights are well defined
  • Headlights are probably wrong size as well.
  • The grey paint on the outside of the headlights which throws the look of the units
  • Paint on the Red/Purple units isn't gloss (Less important on Purple/Green units running with them as they have faded to matte)
    and possibly slightly the wrong shade of purple. (but not a major issue)
    Possible errors on the placement of one side of the red paint scheme Vline logos, and definite errors on the numbers used on the windscreens
  • Lack of black around the edge of windscreen
  • In darkness the lights illuminates the body? (not sure, james13 told me this)
  • HID headlights aren't brighter than the normal and are turned on on DCC with the regular headlights all the time
  • Interior lights dont work on DCC (I'm using a ESU Lokpilot)
  • 2 end headlights are mapped on function 2 when a DCC chip is put in, which on digitrax is useless
  • Pilot gaps
  • The odd mould line and casting flash.
  • Possible interior error on near the toilets. I need to double check but it doesnt seem right.


Off the top of my head
speedemon08
As I discovered with the model in hand, the interior lighting is on Aux 4, so to light the interior (which does look good by the way with the passengers), the decoder would need to be at least a 4 function decoder. The headlights are on Aux 1 and 2, the markers are on F0 (normally headlight).

Mike
  james13 Chief Commissioner

Location: At the Skunk Works


And to summarise, what is wrong with them, as someone said that it's not a small list?
Newcastle Express Are you saying that the wiring is again around the wrong way in the VLocity models?
I'm not going to sumarise but I don't think they are worth the money that we paid for them.

The wiring is not incorrect persay but if you want them the be more prototypical you need to split the headlights off from the HID lights. The headlights can be wired into the ditch/markers and the HID's can be wired to their original positions. See in the photo below the HID lights are not on, only the standard headlights are lit.

[img]http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt233/james1377/DSC_4899-1_zps3mggolrx.jpg[/img]


As for the boards, my personal opinion is that the second run should be redone as the ESU decoder is capable of a lot more than it is being used for.

There are six functions available on the decoder
1 = Headlight/markers/ditchlights front
2 = Headlight/markers/ditchlights rear
3 = HID light front
4 = HID light rear
5 = interior lights
6 = spare

I am lucky enough to have access to a Lokprogrammer so I can program the functions of the ESU Lokpilot to where I want them.
I have my unit set up for Normal headlight/markers/ditchlights on F0, HID lights on F1 (directional of course) and interior lights on F3. As was mentioned before the F2 button on the Digitrax system is a non latching button set up for horn useage.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

If I got brought a brand new item with that many "faults", I would except it be fixed, or if it can't be fixed, a refund.

What factory is SRM using?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
If I got brought a brand new item with that many "faults", I would except it be fixed, or if it can't be fixed, a refund.
Newcastle Express
Part problem is the fact that half these faults are only noticeable after purchase.

And the unlikelyness of anyone else making V/locity's any time soon
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I agree they might not be totally correct. Saying that no model is totally correct. To be 100% correct all doors should open, all caps open, everything as it should with a working diesel engine.....  not a realistic propersition.  And quite stupid.  There seems to be no major problems with most modern models, at times some detail are missing or 'wrong' and the model's paint is one common complaint.

No - the usual thing is happening with a released product. People get to see them, examine them, run them. Other people get their hands on them and depending on the user they could be  quite happy, or tolerant, or annoyed and will fix the problems themselves, or sell it or  go for a refund.  

The above applies to every model released. Not just the Velocity.And there is not right or wrong view, it depends on the purchaser and their view.  

Having said that I am happy enough with my two sets. It is good to know about the 'faults' by other more knowledgeable modellers. That helps if I want something corrected, or I note it myself.  I could never scratchbuild one, and as others say I do not think anyone else will do them in thr short term (hmm famous last words)

Regards,
David Head
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Personally, I think the site hosting those Vlocity images is more dodgy than the Chinese manufacturers. The minute a HotelsCombined ad window popped up is the minute I told Photobucket to eff off for the last time, and said website is now in my block list. Not that it matters since offsite photos don't show up in RP for me anyway (attachments and YouTube links are fine).

Would you rather have a Lima version of the Vlocity, with no interior, a 3-pole pancake motor, 4 wheel pickup on the lead unit only, and no DCC?
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Personally, I think the site hosting those Vlocity images is more dodgy than the Chinese manufacturers. The minute a HotelsCombined ad window popped up is the minute I told Photobucket to eff off for the last time, and said website is now in my block list. Not that it matters since offsite photos don't show up in RP for me anyway (attachments and YouTube links are fine).

Would you rather have a Lima version of the Vlocity, with no interior, a 3-pole pancake motor, 4 wheel pickup on the lead unit only, and no DCC?
Heihachi_73
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Location: "With Hey Boy".
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  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
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  Motorman412 Station Staff

  • Rolls like a brick and looks to have little to no grease on the power unit gear boxes.
speedemon08
Anyone tried options for lubricant on the non-power cars so that they roll?  Re-shaping the pickups has improved things a little, but am uncertain whether a grease or tiny bit of oil on the bearing surfaces might be the go?  Either way, the bogie design seems a bit 'agricultural', no pin-point bearings or split axles with bronze bearings to be seen!  Were the Xplorer/Endeavour models the same?
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

"SOUTHERN RAIL will be releasing a new Victorian wagon at the exhibitions! 2 VERSION – 3 VARIATIONS – 1960’s TO 2010,  29 CUSTOM DECORATIONS, 16 x 3 CAR PACKS – NORMAL PRICE $250.00, EXHIBITION PRICE $225.00"

Price point indicates something with a bit of complexity. Period of operation and other details could mean a multitude of wagons including tank wagons, car carriers, or possibly even both types of the JX flour hopper. All speculation for now, we'll know in about a fortnight.Poath Junction
I was right, it's the FX.
  73LJWhiteSL Deputy Commissioner

Location: South East Melbourne Surburbs
I was right, it's the JX.
Poath Junction
Call it nit picking, but FX = Flour, JX = Cement? Wink

Your still right tho, the Flour wagons.

Now to find the $$$

Steve
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I got all fumble fingers in the excitement. There's a blog entry but the important bit appears to have a broken image link. http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/new-model-announcement
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/fx-wagons.html
The 'exclusive to SR' models represent the first series which are not currently being done by SDS.
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research

I was right, it's the FX.
Poath Junction
Austrains have painted VR shunter steps white, Southern Rail Models did it on their tank wagons (so I painted the bogies, wheels and steps etc. black) and now appear to have on the JX.  Anyone here know when the VR started using white instead of the chassis colour?  I thought it was late '70s at least.  I might be waiting for SDS and saving a few dollars per wagon, they got the M wagon correct.


Mark
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Anyone bought the FX models yet? Just wondering what the quality is like?

I've noticed both SRM and SDS have split liveries across various packs, and it's starting to annoy me. I want all the Vline ones, but most of the packs I want have a damn VR one in them. What gives fellas,  it's not good enough!  Why should I have to buy 4 packs,  to then have to turn around and offload 3 VR wagons just so I can get all the ones I wanted,  when you should have packaged them as similar type in the first place! !

Not happy
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Anyone bought the FX models yet? Just wondering what the quality is like?

I've noticed both SRM and SDS have split liveries across various packs, and it's starting to annoy me. I want all the Vline ones, but most of the packs I want have a damn VR one in them. What gives fellas,  it's not good enough!  Why should I have to buy 4 packs,  to then have to turn around and offload 3 VR wagons just so I can get all the ones I wanted,  when you should have packaged them as similar type in the first place! !

Not happy
davesvline
There are at least two packs of VR in silver, one large logos and one small logos??
However how many flour pots were still in service in the V/Line era? The two used as sand hoppers for Dynon Loco sand were silver and VR , as far as I remember. The Williamstown flour traffic to Albury was long gone when I returned there in 1997, replaced with large Manildra hoppers heading North. Perhaps their was only one or two ever done in V/Line. Not sure?? If so what numbers would Rocket use without getting into trouble?
Cheers
Rod
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Anyone bought the FX models yet? Just wondering what the quality is like?

I've noticed both SRM and SDS have split liveries across various packs, and it's starting to annoy me. I want all the Vline ones, but most of the packs I want have a damn VR one in them. What gives fellas,  it's not good enough!  Why should I have to buy 4 packs,  to then have to turn around and offload 3 VR wagons just so I can get all the ones I wanted,  when you should have packaged them as similar type in the first place! !

Not happy
davesvline
SDS are doing a couple of V/Line only packs.  The only reason I am tempted to get the SRM version is for the 1966 type (my era) and even they are mixed into different packs, no wonder pack 3 is selling well, it at least has two of the 1966 type.  The SDS version has finer (88) wheels and is cheaper.

Mark
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
I bought a pack at the Forestville show yesterday called VFH-1 which has all three FX with the FX code and VR logos - only one straight VR though the others are Water Wheel and Bunge.

Iain
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Blog update 20/4. http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/20th-april-2015-2300-class--l-class-update--brisbane-exhibition
QR 2300 class update.
QR 2400/2450/2470 announced. Orders/info: http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/qr-2400-class-diesel-loco.html
VR FX hoppers about to arrive.
L class update.
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

QR 2400/2450/2470 announced. Orders/info: http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/qr-2400-class-diesel-loco.html
Poath Junction
And there goes all my money.
  QR-INTERAIL Deputy Commissioner

Location: Where else, but Queensland
Well, I'm glad SRM have finally shown tooling for the 2300 Class;  shows that the models have actually progress further along the line a bit more on the development path rather than just some CAD drawings.

I'm really looking forward to their release, however I am perplexed as to why SRM are only doing 3 numbers in Broncos corporate livery, considering it was their original and longest livery. Anyway, will buy two of one number and re-number accordingly as I need four in the corporate livery.

The 2400 announcement is an interesting development and time will tell how they will go considering the Wuiske 2400's will by the sounds of it will arrive first.


Obviously everyone knows the commonality of the 1550s right through to the 2470's, however I would have like to see some development and news on to how the 2000 Class railmotor is coming along? Really looking forward to these little RM's!
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

however I would have like to see some development and news on to how the 2000 Class railmotor is coming along? Really looking forward to these little RM's!
QR-INTERAIL
Same here!  Love to have a little 'heritage fleet' running around. Smile
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/8th-may-2015-l-class-update--brisbane-exhibition

FX's have been mailed, mine arrived today. Club Car exclusive pack comes with a numbered certificate.

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