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    Ideas: Railpage Photo Competition

    I will kick this off.  As discussed in the developer forum a photo competition module would be a fantastic addition to the site.

    After reading again the threads and the thread on the ability to upload an image to the site here are my thoughts:

    Users can submit only 1 image per month for the competition. 

    The monthly competition has a theme.  this could be heritage month, main line, coal etc.

    Once a user has submitted their image which must be on the railpage DAMS the image is then tagged as entered.

    A user cannot submit the same image for a comp more than once every 6 months.

    There is an RSS feed for the monthly competition which is syndicated to the internet.  probably the facebook page Railpage has and maybe twitter

    users who enter the competition are advised by notification of other users submissions. This is by way of email announcement.

    Submissions are open for the month with voting starrting at the commencement of the month and ending on the last day of the month.

    Once images are entered voting for images commences.  As more photos are entered more images to vote on.  this will ensure users get their images in early.

    Users who submit into the competition enter a league table. This league table is an ongoing table which lists the most voted images in the competition across all months.

    users cannot see the number of votes per image until the end of the monthly voting and the winner announced.

    users cannot vote on their own image.

      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    Under the previous rules photographs were anonymous. Not that that stops submitters from telling their mates which photo to vote for, it has certainly been done before.
    Graham4405

    Under my current model photos are snatched from Flickr, so if you're like me and use watermarks then it'll show the author on the picture. Bit of a bummer, but meh.

    However, once other parts of the site are coded up it'll be possible to bypass Flickr and upload your photo to Railpage. Or use Flickr. Or Picasa. Or whatever else I get round to coding up.
    Posted: 13 Mar 2015 18:00

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      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    These are only my thoughts on anonymous.
    Posted: 13 Mar 2015 18:01
      8077 Chief Train Controller

    Location: Crossing the Rubicon
    I am glad you guys liked some of my ideas.  I hope Michael can introduce the software to cover most of them over the coming weeks.

    I look forward to using the new feature.  Happy to assist with moderation if that is required.

    The important aspect to remember is workflow.  Got to be easy to use.

    I like the idea of the leaderboard @freightgate
    Posted: 13 Mar 2015 18:22
      JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

    Location: Banned
    I like the idea of the leaderboard @freightgate
    8077

    @8077 has done a superb job of spelling out the ideas as a starting point.  Having a leaderboard is an important part of the feature since we need to find a place where the best images have been voted for (over all) and who submitted the image.

    My contribution is thoughts around how the competition is announced and how users are kept updated.  Is it possible Michael to write more code to send emails to users who are on the competition about new submissions?

    Can we do a weekly update to users (via email) which updates us on the competition?

    At what points:

    1. Competition for [June 2015] is opening in 2 days
    2. Voting is closing in 24 hours for [June 2015]

    At the start we should have an email announcing the new feature and a start date.

    Railpage should be sending a newsletter to users about new features and important dates for the competition in some form which we should be able to agree on here.

    People come and go and many  may not be aware of what is being planned.

    Overall the photo competition is a fabulous idea.
    Posted: 15 Mar 2015 14:43
      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    The module has been designed with open and close dates for both submissions and votes. Votes cannot be cast until submissions are closed.

    An email can be coded up. To start off, a sitewide announcement will be posted when a competition is open for submissions, open for voting, and when a winner has been declared
    Posted: 15 Mar 2015 17:21
      JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

    Location: Banned
    The module has been designed with open and close dates for both submissions and votes. Votes cannot be cast until submissions are closed.
    michaelgreenhill

    Emailing an announcement of the winner is certainly desireable.  Emailing will draw people in from afar!

    Thks for the update Michael.  How do you guys see it working?  Do you place your photos in for the May month in the second half of April?

    Are you thinking of having the first half of May as the submissions and the latter two weeks to vote?

    This is going to be quite exciting.
    Posted: 15 Mar 2015 19:57

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      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    Emailing an announcement of the winner is certainly desireable.  Emailing will draw people in from afar!

    Thks for the update Michael.  How do you guys see it working?  Do you place your photos in for the May month in the second half of April?

    Are you thinking of having the first half of May as the submissions and the latter two weeks to vote?

    This is going to be quite exciting.
    JoppaJunction
    The timing is entirely up to whoever volunteers to run the competitions. I have a test one set up now titled April 2015, with submissions open until March 31st and voting all through April.
    Posted: 16 Mar 2015 08:42
      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    How would people like votes to be cast?

    The simple option is one vote per user per competition. Another option is each user can cast a maximum of five votes across each competition.

    Thoughts?
    Posted: 16 Mar 2015 08:51
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    How would people like votes to be cast?

    The simple option is one vote per user per competition. Another option is each user can cast a maximum of five votes across each competition.

    Thoughts?
    michaelgreenhill

    You may be reviewing the entries and decide you cannot find the best image and there decide to cast multiple votes.  5 seems reasonable per competition (monthly say).

    Happy to accept input from others as Michael invites.

    We should also start accepting nominations from users who may wish to work as a moderator for the competitions.
    Posted: 16 Mar 2015 13:05

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      Silbergraeber Beginner

    The timing is entirely up to whoever volunteers to run the competitions. I have a test one set up now titled April 2015, with submissions open until March 31st and voting all through April.
    michaelgreenhill

    How are you planning on running the testing?

    Will it be open to everyone or a select few?

    Entertaining the idea of emails now.  This is vital in the promotion of the competition.  Have you considered posting to twitter via API the photo name, the user and the URL for during each competition?
    Posted: 16 Mar 2015 13:26
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    If you are going to start with Flickr will anyone be able to enter any photo ?
    Posted: 16 Mar 2015 14:11
      railblogger Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
    How would people like votes to be cast?

    The simple option is one vote per user per competition. Another option is each user can cast a maximum of five votes across each competition.

    Thoughts?
    michaelgreenhill
    Either could work as long as users are not allowed to vote for the same photo more than once.
    Posted: 16 Mar 2015 16:01
      WindyK Junior Train Controller

    Location: St Leonards, NSW
    Hiding the author is not going to work if the photo has a watermark.
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 09:29
      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    If you are going to start with Flickr will anyone be able to enter any photo ?
    freightgate
    Yep
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 09:44
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    Will the photo owner need to have a Railpage account ?

    How will you advise the owner their photo has been entered ?
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 10:10
      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    Voting has been configured so that you cannot vote for your own photo, you cannot vote for the same photo twice, and you cannot vote more than x times (where x is the number set for that competition, or the global maximum (5) if not set).
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 10:23
      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    Will the photo owner need to have a Railpage account ?

    How will you advise the owner their photo has been entered ?
    freightgate
    If you're worried about people submitting photos that aren't theirs to use, don't.

    Consider a future scenario, where we allow people to upload photos from their computer. There's no way at all that we can validate that the user submitting the photo has the right to submit it. We ran that risk for the best part of a decade using the old G1 gallery and later the forums-based competition without any issue.

    The only way to verify that the user submitting the photo has the right to use it is if we force people to use Flickr forever and require RP users to link their Flickr accounts. Not a popular move, considering the cry has gone up to make this process easier.

    So yeah, I won't be bothering with any kind of Flickr notification or validation.
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 10:29
      WindyK Junior Train Controller

    Location: St Leonards, NSW
    Question.  I can see your logic. Therefore:

    You must be a RP member obviously to enter a photo
    That photo on flickr might not be yours.
    There is no way to communicate the entry to anyone other than those who have posted and those who are following the competition and also to Social Media.

    I think that is as much as you guys can do until you have your own database of images from uploads.

    Good work guys.
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 12:21
      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    Question.  I can see your logic. Therefore:

    You must be a RP member obviously to enter a photo
    That photo on flickr might not be yours.
    There is no way to communicate the entry to anyone other than those who have posted and those who are following the competition and also to Social Media.

    I think that is as much as you guys can do until you have your own database of images from uploads.
    WindyK
    You miss my point. Let's assume we've implemented the upload-from-computer component. What's to stop me from going to your Flickr, Facebook, 500px (or whatever...) account, downloading a photo, and then uploading it to Railpage as my own?

    Nothing.

    What's to stop me from downloading your photo and uploading it to my Flickr page, and submitting it as my own?

    Nothing. For that matter, what's to stop me then selling your photo to The Age or The Telegraph?

    Ergo, I'm not going to bother with any ownership validation. Why bother putting the energy in for Flickr when it can easily be bypassed?
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 13:26
      Hitachi Assistant Commissioner

    I see what you are saying.

    I think @WindyK is also right.  

    Does the feature need a report this image function?

    I think we are in for a real treat with the photo comp.
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 13:58

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      michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

    Location: Melbourne
    Does the feature need a report this image function?
    Hitachi
    Photos are queued for approval when submitted to a competition, so it is up to the showrunner to use their best judgement.

    A "Report copyright violation" feature could certainly be implemented in the future.
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 14:37
      NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

    Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
    Try not to make it too complex.  The admins can only approve on the basis of what they know.  Can't wait to see the results.
    Posted: 17 Mar 2015 17:57
      JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

    Location: Banned
    Anonymous entries might be one way around the favourite poster situation. In reality most people know photos and the photographer but worth considering.
    freightgate

    The comp could start with anonymous and if not working then change to published.
    Posted: 18 Mar 2015 20:27
      JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

    Location: Banned
    Voting has been configured so that you cannot vote for your own photo, you cannot vote for the same photo twice, and you cannot vote more than x times (where x is the number set for that competition, or the global maximum (5) if not set).
    michaelgreenhill

    Can you submit more than 1 photo?
    Posted: 18 Mar 2015 22:55
      BigBoy2015 Station Master

    Can't wait to see this happen.  Would like to nominate a theme of Model Railways for a month.
    Posted: 21 Mar 2015 19:39

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