Russia reportedly wants to build a mega-road and rail link from Europe to America

 

News article: Russia reportedly wants to build a mega-road and rail link from Europe to America

Let’s for a moment consider the Alaska city of Nome.

  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Let’s for a moment consider the Alaska city of Nome. It is so far removed that the expression “end of the road” doesn’t even apply. There isn’t any road that connects this city of 3,000 isolated souls to the more populous cities of Anchorage and Fairbanks, each of which is more than 500 miles away. Nome, which overlooks the Bering Strait, is much closer to Russia.
Russia reportedly wants to build a mega-road and rail link from Europe to America

I like this Putin guy.  There is the difference between Russia and Australia.

The head of railways goes to the engineering division and says design and build me this.  Australia has lost that ability.  

if this project were to be built jobs would be created across the network.  What gauge would be selected for the tunnel?

Interchange yard in Nome would create a lot of much needed jobs in the area.

How the line would go from Nome to the Alaskan Railroad is also a big job.

Does anyone ever see Australia being connected to PNG and then Indonesia by rail tunnel?

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I like this Putin guy.  
8077
If knocking off your political opponents and invading smaller countries is your gig then by all means go for it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If knocking off your political opponents and invading smaller countries is your gig then by all means go for it.
bingley hall

George Bush was doing that for years.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
We had a thread on the Bering Strait tunnel proposal not all that long ago Rolling Eyes

Lots of little problems with differing track gauges between the US and Western Europe

Search found this piece from 2008 http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1035365.htm#1035365

There was also an extensive thread with diagrams maps and pictures in the now defunct International Forum.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Well it's not going to happen until the sanctions that Europe, USA, Canada (and Australia) have on Russia are removed. To get them removed Putin will have to
  • Withdraw from the two provinces of Georgia he has occupied
  • Withdraw from the three provinces of Ukraine he has occupied
  • Defund Russian hackers who regularly attack and destabilise government IT systems in several European Union and NATO countries
  • Remove the One Party State setup in Russia and permit opposition parties more than token representation in the Duma.
  • Stop bumping off critics and opponents of his regime.
So if Vlad does all that, then it might be possible for him to build his mega train set.

However even then it's fairly unlikely because Russia is broke and has massive debts, mostly due his economic incompetence. So there is no money for even recurrent expenditure, let alone the massive cost of the world's longest railway.

I wonder if one of Vlad's chums who are paid to post in threads in western countries that are critical of him, joins as a new member and defends him? Personally I reckon he's a thug who has adopted the same tactics of nibbling away at neighbouring counties that another one party state did in the 1930's.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
We had a thread on the Bering Strait tunnel proposal not all that long ago Rolling Eyes

Lots of little problems with differing track gauges between the US and Western Europe

Search found this piece from 2008 http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1035365.htm#1035365

There was also an extensive thread with diagrams maps and pictures in the now defunct International Forum.
Pressman

I have found the thread!

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11330444.htm

It has been moved to the International Discussion Forum.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I have found the thread!

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11330444.htm

It has been moved to the International Discussion Forum.
bevans

Yep, that's the thread, thanks bevans
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

George Bush was doing that for years.
bevans
Much as I am not a fan of George I am sure he did not actually murder any of his opponents. Bevan your rather glib comments has all the hallmarks of the type of discussions held by under graduates in a uni students bar close to closing time.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
If anyone bothered to read up on the history of a proposed rail link between Russia and Alaska, they'd find that it certainly isn't a Putin idea at all. The proposal dates back to the early 1900's
"The idea isn't a new one. The rail link has been proposed by various emissaries from both the U.S. and Russia, including President Abraham Lincoln"
"A French engineer drew up plans for the undersea tunnel in 1905."
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
I know I've got a copy of Popular Mechanics from the '90s spruking building a bridge over the Bering Strait with space for road, rail and pipelines. Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait_crossing suggests it's more of an interest for Russia than the US/Canada.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I like this Putin guy.  There is the difference between Russia and Australia.

The head of railways goes to the engineering division and says design and build me this.  Australia has lost that ability.  

if this project were to be built jobs would be created across the network.  What gauge would be selected for the tunnel?

Interchange yard in Nome would create a lot of much needed jobs in the area.

How the line would go from Nome to the Alaskan Railroad is also a big job.

Does anyone ever see Australia being connected to PNG and then Indonesia by rail tunnel?
8077
So you want to spend billions of dollars to build a railway to create jobs in a town of 3000 that is known to be extremely isolated? How about pay each resident $1m to leave, it will be cheaper?

Its not Putin, even he isn't this dumb.

Australia hasn't lost this ability, because Australia hasn't lost its common sense.

Yes, lets connect PNG to Australia via Wepia. SG to Weipa and NG to Qld, this will create lots of jobs in Wepia.

You are simply ignoring basics as is the proponent for this project that will not see the light of day.

The contestable traffic (what ever this is) is that which runs from Alaska to/from east of Moscow, anything else via ship is probably alot cheaper. ie rail to LA/Vancouver, ship to Vladivostok and then go via rail from there. How much traffic runs this way now via ship? The USA and Russia are still at arms length over politics and the line may see frequent restrictions and closures.  

Yes one day it may happen as will one day a line from Europe connect the GCC and probably India/Pakistan/SE Asia, but lines like this cost billions and run through volatile countries.

From Wiki
Technical challenges[[color=#0b0080]edit][/color]

Satellite image of Bering Strait.[color=#0b0080]Cape Dezhnev[/color], Russia is on the left, the two [color=#0b0080]Diomede Islands[/color] are in the middle, and [color=#0b0080]Cape Prince of Wales[/color], Alaska is on the right.



The depth of the water offers little challenge, because the strait is no deeper than 55 metres (180 ft).[color=#0b0080][15] The tides and currents in the area are not severe.[color=#0b0080][13][/color] Nevertheless, the route would be located just south of the [color=#0b0080]Arctic Circle[/color]. Because the location experiences long, dark winters and extreme weather, including average winter lows of −20 °C (−4 °F) and possible lows approaching −50 °C (−58 °F), construction activity would likely be restricted to five months of the year.[15][/color]

The weather also poses challenges to exposed steel.[color=#0b0080][15] In Lin's design, concrete covers all structures, to simplify maintenance and to offer additional stiffening.[15][/color]

Although there are no [color=#0b0080]icebergs in the Bering Strait, [color=#0b0080]ice floes[/color] up to 1.8 metres (6 ft) thick are in constant motion during certain seasons, which could produce [color=#0b0080]forces[/color] on the order of 44,000 [color=#0b0080]kilonewtons[/color] (9,900,000 [color=#0b0080]pounds-force[/color]) on a pier.[13][/color]

Economic costs[[color=#0b0080]edit][/color]In 1994, Lin estimated the cost of a bridge to be "a few billion" dollars.[color=#0b0080][15] The roads and railways on each side were estimated to cost $50 billion.[color=#0b0080][15][/color] Lin contrasted this cost to petroleum resources "worth trillions".[color=#0b0080][15][/color][color=#0b0080]Discovery Channel[/color]'s [color=#0b0080]Extreme Engineering[/color] estimates the cost of a highway, electrified double track high-speed rail and pipelines, at $105 billion, five times the cost of the 50-kilometre (31 mi) [color=#0b0080]Channel Tunnel[/color].[color=#0b0080][19][/color][/color]
This excludes the cost of new roads and railways to reach the bridge. Aside from the obvious technical challenges of building two 40-kilometre (25 mi) bridges or a more than 80-kilometre (50 mi) tunnel across the strait, another major challenge is that, as of 2011, there is nothing on either side of the Bering Strait to connect the bridge to.

The Russian side, in particular, is severely lacking in infrastructure, without highways for almost 2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) (the nearest is the [color=#0b0080]M56 Kolyma Highway) and no railroads or paved highways for over 3,200 kilometres (2,000 mi) in any direction from the strait.[b][[/b]20][/color]

On the American side, at least 800 kilometres (500 mi) of highways or railways would have to be built to connect to the American transport network. A project to connect [color=#0b0080]Nome (100 miles (160 km) from the strait) to the rest of the continent by a paved highway (part of [color=#0b0080]Alaska Route 2[/color]) has been proposed by the Alaskan state government, although the very high cost ($2.3 to $2.7 billion, or approximately $5 million per mile) has so far prevented construction[/color]

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