Myki set to be the ticket to ride on airport SkyBus

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 14 Nov 2015 09:53
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Probably not a bad move if you are a person who has a Myki.  What about passengers who just want a once off one way?

Perhaps the government is sounding out volumes for airport line planning?

Myki set to be the ticket to ride on airport SkyBus

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I suppose that they have to do something to justify the 20% of the fare intake that it costs to run MYKI.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why is the myki management fee so high ?
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
Probably not a bad move if you are a person who has a Myki.  What about passengers who just want a once off one way?

bevans
The report I heard said that the current ticketing arrangements would continue, and made mention that this would make it the only Myki route with the alternative of buying a single use ticket.

Richard.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

We can only wish that the Federal Government will one day create a card and account that works with all rail systems as well as toll roads.  That way, we could travel interstate without having to have a heap of cards.

Singapore saw fragmented cards and tags and did just that, they created the Ez Link card that works everywhere.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
We can only wish that the Federal Government will one day create a card and account that works with all rail systems as well as toll roads.  That way, we could travel interstate without having to have a heap of cards.

Singapore saw fragmented cards and tags and did just that, they created the Ez Link card that works everywhere.
DalyWaters
"Mark of the Beast" card, as seen in the Book of Revelations. Doesn't surprise me that Singapore already has one!
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The issue will be making sure people are aware it's more than a zone 1 fare. Skybus obviously don't have any incentive to do this, so it's up to PTV I suppose. That doesn't fill me with hope.
  I'm Barely Online Locomotive Fireman

If that happens, the military AO's will be coming to a Skybus near you
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
Those would be the AOs that Skybus would either have to specifically employ or actively borrow from either BusVic or another operator, right?

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As I understood it this has been part of "the plan" from the very very beginning of Myki, right back when taxi payments were also on the spec sheet.


In ye olden days Metlink issued combination tickets that were Skybus fares combined with Met fares, in the form of Metcards with a Skybus-compatible barcode on the back.
http://www.robx1.net/victkt/metcard/html/skybus3.htm
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Those would be the AOs that Skybus would either have to specifically employ or actively borrow from either BusVic or another operator, right?

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As I understood it this has been part of "the plan" from the very very beginning of Myki, right back when taxi payments were also on the spec sheet.


In ye olden days Metlink issued combination tickets that were Skybus fares combined with Met fares, in the form of Metcards with a Skybus-compatible barcode on the back.
http://www.robx1.net/victkt/metcard/html/skybus3.htm
jb17kx
Shouldn't be a problem, there would be an unsuccessful tap-on at the start of the journey if there was insufficient funds for the Skybus fare, and you'd just need decent signage at either end to remind people BEFORE they started the journey that a zone 1 fare would not cover. Works ok in SYD and BNE where there are higher fares for the rail journey to the airport (compared with other rail journeys of comparable distance).

Dave
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If that happens, the military AO's will be coming to a Skybus near you
I'm Barely Online
I have never, ever seen a bus inspector. Not once. In fact I was going to start a thread on how the buses have become free since the introduction of Myki - just wave something in front of the validator, the drivers don't care.
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
Dave, you're right, but I'm not sure why you're directing it at me...

Don: BusVic, the Bus Association of Victoria, do employ some AOs. They pop up occasionally at Box Hill and I saw them once on Lonsdale St, but I've no idea where they go the rest of the time.

I'd suggest also that the drivers do care to some extent... just not enough to offset being shouted at, punched, or otherwise mistreated. Similar to how Metro CSAs are told to let people though the barriers regardless of their ticketing situation.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
If that happens, the military AO's will be coming to a Skybus near you
I have never, ever seen a bus inspector. Not once. In fact I was going to start a thread on how the buses have become free since the introduction of Myki - just wave something in front of the validator, the drivers don't care.
don_dunstan
There are bus AOs. Usually targeting the DART buses, Monash Bus Loop and Chadstone Shopping Centre. They don't deploy them everywhere.

The most likely option for Skybus is to install barriers to check tickets.
  VRcommando Junior Train Controller

Location: VOZ
Skybus is great for interstate/overseas travellers but for locals the transport options in and around the airport are more or less stuffed. $30 return is not economical on a regular basis... local buses finish at 7:30pm. The message is to catch a taxi, buy a car or move. A rail link with later running connections would be great but I doubt that will happen if the taxi drivers have their say. And they won't take locals for short trips either!
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Skybus is great for interstate/overseas travellers but for locals the transport options in and around the airport are more or less stuffed. $30 return is not economical on a regular basis... local buses finish at 7:30pm. The message is to catch a taxi, buy a car or move. A rail link with later running connections would be great but I doubt that will happen if the taxi drivers have their say. And they won't take locals for short trips either!
VRcommando
Just build the train line to the airport - short term: Melbourne airport via Sunshine to the Southern Cross (via RRL tracks)

901 smart bus operation hours 4:50 to 23:50 (Mon-Friday)
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
Skybus is great for interstate/overseas travellers but for locals the transport options in and around the airport are more or less stuffed. $30 return is not economical on a regular basis... local buses finish at 7:30pm. The message is to catch a taxi, buy a car or move. A rail link with later running connections would be great but I doubt that will happen if the taxi drivers have their say. And they won't take locals for short trips either!
VRcommando
Taxis are about $80 one way to the airport. And good luck parking the car if you are going away for a week, or a month, etc. It will be more than $30 return - gosh, the tolls are $9 each way.

People don't go to the airport every day, except for employees (and they get discounts anyways). If you don't like paying for it, then don't! Stay at home and never go anywhere! But For a quick, fast time-competitive trip that is low cost, Skybus is your best option.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If that happens, the military AO's will be coming to a Skybus near you
I have never, ever seen a bus inspector. Not once. In fact I was going to start a thread on how the buses have become free since the introduction of Myki - just wave something in front of the validator, the drivers don't care.
There are bus AOs. Usually targeting the DART buses, Monash Bus Loop and Chadstone Shopping Centre. They don't deploy them everywhere.

The most likely option for Skybus is to install barriers to check tickets.
AzN_dj
I've been using Transdev Depot buses regularly (and before that 'Melbourne Bus Link') for several years and I have never, ever seen a bus inspector - not once.

Since Myki came in I'd say one in four or five passengers don't bother to pay and ninety-eight percent of drivers won't even say anything. Not that I really expect them to, I'm not sure if revenue protection is in their brief.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Skybus is great for interstate/overseas travellers but for locals the transport options in and around the airport are more or less stuffed. $30 return is not economical on a regular basis... local buses finish at 7:30pm. The message is to catch a taxi, buy a car or move. A rail link with later running connections would be great but I doubt that will happen if the taxi drivers have their say. And they won't take locals for short trips either!
Taxis are about $80 one way to the airport. And good luck parking the car if you are going away for a week, or a month, etc. It will be more than $30 return - gosh, the tolls are $9 each way.

People don't go to the airport every day, except for employees (and they get discounts anyways). If you don't like paying for it, then don't! Stay at home and never go anywhere! But For a quick, fast time-competitive trip that is low cost, Skybus is your best option.
AzN_dj
Best way for low cost - is train to Broadmeows and then the bus.

non sky bus

Mon 5:11pm  - 62mins
Melbourne Central Railway Station (Melbourne City) Platform platform 3
Take the train towards Craigieburn
ARR
Mon 5:43pm
Get off at Broadmeadows Railway Station (Broadmeadows) Platform platform 2
Time: 32min
Frequency: 6min
Zone(s): 1, 2
Operator: Metro
DEP Broadmeadows Railway Station (Broadmeadows) Platform platform 2
ARR
Broadmeadows Railway Station/Pascoe Vale Rd (Broadmeadows)
DEP
Mon 5:49pm
Broadmeadows Railway Station/Pascoe Vale Rd (Broadmeadows)
Route 901 bus towards Melbourne Airport
ARR
Mon 6:10pm
Get off at stop Melbourne Airport/Arrival Dr (Melbourne Airport)
Time: 21min
Zone(s): 2
Operator: Transdev

compare to: 52 - 55mins


sky bus
DEP
Mon 5:13pm
Melbourne Central Railway Station (Melbourne City)
Walk about 550m
Continue along La Trobe St 60m about 1min
Turn left at Elizabeth St 470m about 7min
Turn left at Bourke St Ml 20m about 1min
DEP Stop Map
Mon 5:22pm
5-Elizabeth St/Bourke St (Melbourne City)
Route 86 tram towards Waterfront City via Smith Street
ARR
Mon 5:30pm
Get off at stop 120-Lonsdale St/Spencer St (Melbourne City)
Time: 8min
Frequency: 7min
Zone(s): 1
Operator: Yarra Trams
DEP Stop Map120-Lonsdale St/Spencer St (Melbourne City)
ARR
Skybus Coach Terminal/Spencer St (Melbourne City)
DEP Stop Map
Mon 5:40pm
Skybus Coach Terminal/Spencer St (Melbourne City)
Take SkyBus towards Melbourne Airport
ARR
Mon 6:00pm
Get off at stop Melbourne Airport T3 Skybus/Arrival Dr (Melbourne Airport)
Time: 20min
Zone(s): 1
Operator: SkyBus
Notes: Special Skybus fares apply on this route. See http://www.skybus.com.au or phone 9335 2811
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@don_dunstan I have been checked by ticket inspectors on buses so they do exist, though I gather there are only a few of them.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
Best way for low cost - is train to Broadmeows and then the bus.
melbtrip
I did not ask for you to come up with a completely skewed example and pick an arbitrary point where it would take longer. I would NOT take two trams and a long hike from Melbourne Central, nor would you expect anyone in their right minds to do that.
Nor do I want to rely on a bus that only comes every 30 minutes, and a train that comes only 20, and a guarantee that they will NOT match up. Not everyone has one and a half hours to waste.

For a quick, fast time-competitive trip that is low cost, Skybus is your best option.
I said:
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Best way for low cost - is train to Broadmeadows and then the bus.
I did not ask for you to come up with a completely skewed example and pick an arbitrary point where it would take longer. I would NOT take two trams and a long hike from Melbourne Central, nor would you expect anyone in their right minds to do that.
Nor do I want to rely on a bus that only comes every 30 minutes, and a train that comes only 20, and a guarantee that they will NOT match up. Not everyone has one and a half hours to waste.
AzN_dj

I've done Ballan to Melbourne Airport, that is train, train, train and 901 bus when the 901 bus to the airport operates every 15 minutes in under two hours, that's almost 100Km.

I guess time and $$ are relative, depending on your budget.

Mike.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Ressurrecting this old thread to ask the question - why did this not happen???
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
Ressurrecting this old thread to ask the question - why did this not happen???
james.au
Im not too sure, maybe it was rejected by skybus, disliked by passengers, marginal seats, who knows?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Here's an extract from Skybus's Wikipedia entry:
"Proposals in January 2013 by the State Government to integrate Skybus ticketing with Melbourne's myki integrated public transport ticketing system were shelved after opposition from Transurban and Melbourne Airport."

Links to some of the articles about it at the time:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1216688/skybus-lane-faces-fight/

http://www.traveller.com.au/skybus-lane-faces-fight-2c7ib


It makes you wonder how genuine Melbourne Airport's commital to a rail link is and how much they will want to charge passengers.  As I understand it, they currently charge $1.50 per Skybus passenger but want to charge more. They will claim that they are missing out on parking revenue but the spaces left vacant by rail passengers will soon be filled by others.
  steve195 Train Controller

It makes you wonder how genuine Melbourne Airport's commital to a rail link is and how much they will want to charge passengers.  As I understand it, they currently charge $1.50 per Skybus passenger but want to charge more. They will claim that they are missing out on parking revenue but the spaces left vacant by rail passengers will soon be filled by others.
kitchgp
This might be a dumb question, but what would give the airport the right to charge train passengers? I mean if the government builds and pays for the train line, the airport folks can't just waltz in and say "we're charging $10 per passenger because f*** you" can they?

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