An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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  I'm Barely Online Locomotive Fireman

They may even be using the new tender tank and sophisticated hose fitting and valves system which will enable filling of the tender from a fire hose all connected up at ground level. The equipment has been sitting at SRHC for between five and ten years; it will be interesting to see it in action.
Valvegear

R711 when it was in revenue service with WCR, had a similar system fitted to it's tender, which is almost never used now since the R arrived at Steamrail

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  Shane Blitz Beginner

Hi all, pretty new to Railpage, but wanted to get information correct.

The Victorian Railways, formely the Great Southern Railway Society are the owners of T342.

I am not going to speculate on the past, but wish to let everyone know that the VR is undertaking the restoration of T342.   The SRHC, whilst not financially supporting us is allowing us to work on the loco at the SRHC yard.

We look forward to having her out as soon as we can!  It will not go out on commercial hire, ever again as long as we are around!
  Pontificator Beginner

Location: Nomad - "on the road again."
Drove thru Seymour today and noted K176 was no longer "just off" the turntable. Anyone know the whereabouts?
  hbedriver Deputy Commissioner

Was to have been relocated from the turntable to somewhere in the SHRC precinct.

Speaking of them, they ran a trip to Southern Cross early this morning, T 357 and B 74 leading 6 blue cars. Picked up passengers, back to Seymour around 07:00, passengers transferred to a 620 class railcar for the trip to Sydney. T 357 reportedly looked a treat in new paint.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Spotted C501 in Junee on Sunday.  (Sorry for the typo (which Trainplanner seemed to look through).  I fixed it now.)

That is, Sunday 13th.  The one immediately prior to the date of this post.  Which may be logical....  It may be not.  Who knows.  

......
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
C501 seems to have been in Junee a while now.   I saw it on the Melbourne Cup weekend.   I noted whilst I was there and since seen other posts that quite a number of grain trains are already moving in that part of NSW so perhaps there maybe opportunities for spot hire of C501 given its current location.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Yep.  The Cs seem to be quite useful power given how SSR is now using them.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently there was an incident at North Dynon yesterday.  An Aurizon empty wagon ran through the buffers and rammed into the side of X31 splitting its fuel tank and doing a fair bit of damage.  G521 is also damaged.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Spotted C501 in June on Sunday.
james.au
That's old information, it's now November!  Which Sunday was it, 5th, 12th, 19th or 26th?  

Where was C501 "spotted"?

What colour spots were they, white?

LOL Very Happy

Happy spelling/grammaring,

John
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Apparently there was an incident at North Dynon yesterday.  An Aurizon empty wagon ran through the buffers and rammed into the side of X31 splitting its fuel tank and doing a fair bit of damage.  G521 is also damaged.
Carnot
A number of photos have surfaced on a book-of-face page that show the corner of a container wagon firmly embedded into the corner of the fuel tank with a bit of a waterfall flowing out, not good. Though I can't tell it it's smashed in and dragged 31 along for a few meters or not at the convergence of a set of points but there does appear to be some torn up track underneath the two.

I imagine it should be fixable with a replacement fuel tank or some really heavy rebuilding of the existing one, though I doubt Seymour will be very happy about it!
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
I imagine it should be fixable with a replacement fuel tank or some really heavy rebuilding of the existing one, though I doubt Seymour will be very happy about it!
DounutCereal
Insurance job...
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Apparently there was an incident at North Dynon yesterday.  An Aurizon empty wagon ran through the buffers and rammed into the side of X31 splitting its fuel tank and doing a fair bit of damage.  G521 is also damaged.
A number of photos have surfaced on a book-of-face page that show the corner of a container wagon firmly embedded into the corner of the fuel tank with a bit of a waterfall flowing out, not good. Though I can't tell it it's smashed in and dragged 31 along for a few meters or not at the convergence of a set of points but there does appear to be some torn up track underneath the two.

I imagine it should be fixable with a replacement fuel tank or some really heavy rebuilding of the existing one, though I doubt Seymour will be very happy about it!
DounutCereal
Probably requires far more extensive repairs than you might imagine.
  lkernan Chief Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Apparently there was an incident at North Dynon yesterday.  An Aurizon empty wagon ran through the buffers and rammed into the side of X31 splitting its fuel tank and doing a fair bit of damage.  G521 is also damaged.
Carnot

What is it with Aurizon and heritage stuff?

I mean, trying to wipe out the Goulburn turntable, now X31, what's next?  Laughing
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Apparently there was an incident at North Dynon yesterday.  An Aurizon empty wagon ran through the buffers and rammed into the side of X31 splitting its fuel tank and doing a fair bit of damage.  G521 is also damaged.
A number of photos have surfaced on a book-of-face page that show the corner of a container wagon firmly embedded into the corner of the fuel tank with a bit of a waterfall flowing out, not good. Though I can't tell it it's smashed in and dragged 31 along for a few meters or not at the convergence of a set of points but there does appear to be some torn up track underneath the two.

I imagine it should be fixable with a replacement fuel tank or some really heavy rebuilding of the existing one, though I doubt Seymour will be very happy about it!
Probably requires far more extensive repairs than you might imagine.
nswtrains

X31 was being refueled at the interstate fuel point at 8:00am this morning.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

When will c501 be on a tour train again and what tours are srhc planning for this year as i would like to go on a tour with them
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Keep an eye on their website,  http://www.srhc.org.au/ .  They currently have a tour to Geelong posted for February 25th, no details yet.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

thank you
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Just as an aside.   Last week (28 Dec) C501 was still at Junee in the same location as when I was there in November.    I'm somewhat surprised it hasn't moved but you never know given QUBE have just sent a large number of grain wagons north in the past day or so out of Melbourne.   QUBE have as you know been a regular hirer of SRHC locos.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why does SRHC have C501?  It surprises me that its in 'heritage use' given the rest of its class are on revenue service (and pretty intensively given the videos on SSR).
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
There was quite an extended period of time when all the C's as a class were withdrawn from service and stored at Ingliston Workshops - North Adelaide.    C501 as class leader represented a major leap forward in locomotive technology (power and size) when introduced so at that time it has to be said that someone had the foresight to preserve one.    It was only events that subsequently followed some years later that saw the class re-activated.    It could be argued as well that with the slackening off in rail business in coal and iron ore over the very recent past that the C's could have been stowed and then scrapped as indeed at least 1 or 2 of the more modern DL's have been.    Now we see them being reactivated as well with the pick up in grain and other regional freight flows.

Unlike North America where railroad companies place locos in and out of storage as a very common practice we have the model here of not doing that with units stored and then relatively quickly the units being sold or scrapped.

That practice appears to have moderated to some degree which might show that the rail operating companies can see opportunities appearing.  It might as well be that 3,000HP units like the C's which whilst old are still nonetheless a fairly decent sized unit to have in storage compared to the hundreds of much earlier generation units like Class 44's etc.   Even so just recently at least 2 x Class 44 appear to have been reactivated and PN has reactivated a Broad gauge x class as well.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks Trainplanner.

One thing ive been thinking is that there is probably a glut of power left over from the times when governments bought locos etc.  The industry is still benefiting from this over provision at the time.  How accurate is this?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Hi,   I'd say definitely not now.  That was more a phenomena when we had the round of Class 81, 82, BL's, G classes etc replacing hundreds of Class 44's and other early generaton units.    The acquisition by the Rail Operating companies including PN, SCT, Aurizon, G&W, Glencore, SSR etc  plus Chicago Freight Car Leasing of the GE and EMD 4,000HP units for coal, iron ore long since privatization of the former Government operators, combined with the downturn in bulks like coal, iron etc have caused this.   These large units have been replacing 2,000HP and 3,000HP units in ratios like 3x4000HP replaces 4x3000HP,so you've got a lot of new power releasing a greater number of 3,000HP/2,000HP units.  It's not a 1 for 1 replacement.  I mean who would have thought the Fletchers train from Dubbo would run with state of the art wagons hauled by 4,000HP GE's!!!

In addition especially in NSW, with the ongoing upgrading of the non-ARTC NSW regional network, you are seeing trains now operating like the Melbourne - Griffith train with NR class units throughout not requiring a change to lighter units for the section Junee to Griffith.   That in itself is also releasing additional 3,000HP units.   The same has happened in South Australia with GWA.   As recently as this week they have been running a 50 car grain train with 4x4300HP FQ class (or equivalents on grain trains across the Adelaide Hills) whereas even 1 or 2 years ago that would have been a lash up of GM's, CL's, AL's etc.

So in summary there have been  number of factors contributing to the change.    What is encouraging though which I've posted on several occasions is how things like these newer units, higher axleload grain wagons, consolidated higher capacity load out grain sites etc are improving productivity, reducing rail haulage rates etc which is without doubt also increasing rail's market share of grain and hence why we are seeing operators bringing some older units back into service.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

In addition especially in NSW, with the ongoing upgrading of the non-ARTC NSW regional network, you are seeing trains now operating like the Melbourne - Griffith train with NR class units throughout not requiring a change to lighter units for the section Junee to Griffith.   That in itself is also releasing additional 3,000HP units.   The same has happened in South Australia with GWA.   As recently as this week they have been running a 50 car grain train with 4x4300HP FQ class (or equivalents on grain trains across the Adelaide Hills) whereas even 1 or 2 years ago that would have been a lash up of GM's, CL's, AL's etc.

So in summary there have been  number of factors contributing to the change.    
Trainplanner
Another factor in South Oz is the fact that Grain companies have chosen not to use rail on the Mallee lines, this means the lighter locos (GM's CL's AL's 700's ) are no longer needed for the run on the branch lines.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

C501 is stored defective at junee because of an engine failure reports around the railfan world is that a Engine change is needed
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
thanks.

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