Some Sunbury trains will be terminate and commence services at West Footscray station in 2018

 
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Some Sunbury trains will be terminate and commence services at West Footscray station in 2018.
The additional platform and track to the north of the station (Cross Street side) will service city bound trains coming from Sunbury in the morning and afternoon peak periods. The existing platform one will be used for trains travelling from the city to terminate and commence services at West Footscray station. This will assist trains to run on time and reduce delays.
Providing an additional platform and length of track for Sunbury line trains will also facilitate an increase in the number of services at West Footscray station during the morning and afternoon peak.

http://melbournemetro.vic.gov.au/about-the-project/news/a-new-platform-for-west-footscray-station

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I will wait for some clever person to explain to me what all this means?
Am I correct in understanding that it will provide a means to terminate some down Sunbury services at West Footscray. If so big deal. There has to be a catch/fiddle in it somewhere?
  InTransit Station Staff

I will wait for some clever person to explain to me what all this means?
YM-Mundrabilla
Still waiting for the clever person, but the very poorly worded statement on the website appears to be suggesting that there will be a turn back constructed at West Footscray.  The tortured description manages to wrap itself in knots by referring to city bound trains, Sunbury line trains etc - which makes it sound rather like some trains from Sunbury towards the city will terminate at West Footscray.

Clearly what it is trying to say is that the turn back will allow trains FROM the city to terminate at West Footscray, and to commence a return trip from West Footscray TOWARDS the city - thus allowing higher frequencies on the inner section of the line to be provided.

Why does there have to be a catch or a fiddle?  Although badly described, its simply explaining what a part of the project is intended to deliver.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The first thing which comes to mind is available space.  Can they actually squeeze a platform in there?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I will wait for some clever person to explain to me what all this means?
Still waiting for the clever person, but the very poorly worded statement on the website appears to be suggesting that there will be a turn back constructed at West Footscray.  The tortured description manages to wrap itself in knots by referring to city bound trains, Sunbury line trains etc - which makes it sound rather like some trains from Sunbury towards the city will terminate at West Footscray.

Clearly what it is trying to say is that the turn back will allow trains FROM the city to terminate at West Footscray, and to commence a return trip from West Footscray TOWARDS the city - thus allowing higher frequencies on the inner section of the line to be provided.

Why does there have to be a catch or a fiddle?  Although badly described, its simply explaining what a part of the project is intended to deliver.
InTransit
OK maybe there won't be a catch or a fiddle (I, at least, will wait and see) and that all we will end up with be an Essendon type of configuration which is hardly worthy of the hoo haa at this stage. The fact that the publicity was written (and approved by, presumably) people who were totally unable to explain themselves is not good at any stage of the project.

Does the track diagram in the press release actually depict the layout that is described in the blurb?

Let's hope that whoever has a better grasp of the major parts of the project!Rolling Eyes
  712M Chief Commissioner

In my opinion this project is a waste of money and money could be better directed towards electrification to Melton with a third platform constructed at Melton where these extra trains could terminate. It is a waste of a path through the city using a 6 car set to only service three stations when the current loco-hauled services to Bacchus Marsh are woefully inadequate.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@712M Totally agree. Like Marcus Wong wrote, it would be like suggesting trains should terminate at Toorak.

@bevans they can use the old alignment for the Up line.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Maybe the Sunbury trains will use the Eddingtunnel, West Footscray sparks will run via the City Loop, and Werribee services will go direct to Southern Cross.
It seems like a bad idea.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Are Sunbury Line trains that overcrowded by the time they reach West Footscray on the City bound journey in the morning? If so, this seems a drastic measure to increase capacity for 3-4 stations in that section.

If on the other hand this is an important early step of Melbourne Metro Tunnel, well then that is an entirely different story.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The point of this extra platform is to turn back trains as there will be more coming from the East than the West when the Metro first opens. West Footscray is the first place where there is available space for such a turn back to be placed as the cutting at Footscray is too tight, and Middle Footscray would require significant property acquisition. The only things to be lost at West Footscray could be some tracks in Tottenham Yard, which aren't really being used anyway.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The point of this extra platform is to turn back trains as there will be more coming from the East than the West when the Metro first opens. West Footscray is the first place where there is available space for such a turn back to be placed as the cutting at Footscray is too tight, and Middle Footscray would require significant property acquisition. The only things to be lost at West Footscray could be some tracks in Tottenham Yard, which aren't really being used anyway.
TOQ-1
I figured as much but why can't they run them to Watergardens or an intermediate location on the Melton line once electrified?
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Sounds like some botch-up in planning : "Works at West Footscray station involve realigning regional, suburban and freight tracks".
During planning for the Regional Rail Link, it was publicly stated that they were in communication with the design team for Melbourne Metro. Why then do newly completed regional tracks (ie RRL) and newly moved suburban tracks (paid for by RRL) need realigning ? No wonder infrastructure costs so much in Victoria.

It is quite easy to see that without a turnback at this location, Melbourne Metro would be unbalanced. There is currently a 10-minute daytime and weekend frequency on the Dandenong line, but only a 20 minute frequency from West Footscray to Watergardens. A turnback here provides timetable flexibility, and would match a similar facility at Oakleigh should additional services to the west start, such as to the Airport.

For regional users like myself arriving at Footscray after 9 am, there is only a 20-minute frequency from Footscray into the City Loop. We no longer have access to the other Northern group city loop lines for transfer at North Melbourne. So a 10-minute daytime frequency from the loop as far as West Footscray would provide more options for both regional passengers. Footscray is also the 8th busiest station for transfers from buses, with 1700 passengers per day (2013/14), and probably more now that RRL works are finished. From about 3:30 pm until nearly 5:00 pm, there are a lot of 12 minute gaps between trains from the city loop to Footscray. These trains are extremely crowded until large numbers of passengers leave at Footscray, most of whom transfer to buses and some to regional trains.

A 10-minute daytime frequency as far as Watergardens is probably not justified on patronage, and would delay regional trains.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Sounds like some botch-up in planning : "Works at West Footscray station involve realigning regional, suburban and freight tracks".
During planning for the Regional Rail Link, it was publicly stated that they were in communication with the design team for Melbourne Metro. Why then do newly completed regional tracks (ie RRL) and newly moved suburban tracks (paid for by RRL) need realigning ? No wonder infrastructure costs so much in Victoria.

It is quite easy to see that without a turnback at this location, Melbourne Metro would be unbalanced. There is currently a 10-minute daytime and weekend frequency on the Dandenong line, but only a 20 minute frequency from West Footscray to Watergardens. A turnback here provides timetable flexibility, and would match a similar facility at Oakleigh should additional services to the west start, such as to the Airport.

For regional users like myself arriving at Footscray after 9 am, there is only a 20-minute frequency from Footscray into the City Loop. We no longer have access to the other Northern group city loop lines for transfer at North Melbourne. So a 10-minute daytime frequency from the loop as far as West Footscray would provide more options for both regional passengers. Footscray is also the 8th busiest station for transfers from buses, with 1700 passengers per day (2013/14), and probably more now that RRL works are finished. From about 3:30 pm until nearly 5:00 pm, there are a lot of 12 minute gaps between trains from the city loop to Footscray. These trains are extremely crowded until large numbers of passengers leave at Footscray, most of whom transfer to buses and some to regional trains.

A 10-minute daytime frequency as far as Watergardens is probably not justified on patronage, and would delay regional trains.
mm42
I don't really see why RRL Lines would need to be realigned, there should be more than enough room to fit a 7-10 Carriage Platform in on the North Side of the Metro line provided Tottenham Yard losing a few sidings from the East Yard is deemed acceptable so the down BG Freight can be moved north.

The worst part is the new platform will probably end up partially in exactly the same place as the demolished Platform 1.

In the morning, you're probably better off changing at Southern Cross and Catching a Clifton Hill Group train through the loop, every 10 minutes. After MM if you're going to/from Parliament/Flagstaff, you'll have to change twice. The BurnleyGroup should really go counter-clockwise all day so there's always a link to Southern Cross.


10 minutes to Sunshine could probably be justified tomorrow, and in 10 years when Melbourne Metro opens, it will probably be be justifiable to Watergardens, especially with new lots of new houses continuing to be built at Diggers Rest and Sunbury. Better and more dynamic timetabling would help regional trains. In my experience, Bendigo trains are only delayed between Sunbury and Sunshine when they are already running late.

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