Geelong line meltdown stops trains on 3-6-2016

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Major dramas on the Geelong line this morning due to a train failure at Tarneit

Line suspended

Live Disruptions
Train Delay:A shuttle service has been put in place to run trains between Waurn Ponds and Lara with coaches between Lara and Melbourne.
Major Disruption:No trains will be operating on the Geelong line until approximately 11am this morning. Coaches are heading to various locations. If possible please utilise any alternative transport available to you, for your intended journey.
Major Delays:Southern Cross-bound train services are being replaced by road coaches due to a train fault. If possible, it is a recommendation for customers to organise alternative transport for their journey.



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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Major dramas on the Geelong line this morning due to a train failure at Tarneit

Line suspended
Live Disruptions
Train Delay:A shuttle service has been put in place to run trains between Waurn Ponds and Lara with coaches between Lara and Melbourne.
Major Disruption:No trains will be operating on the Geelong line until approximately 11am this morning. Coaches are heading to various locations. If possible please utilise any alternative transport available to you, for your intended journey.
Major Delays:Southern Cross-bound train services are being replaced by road coaches due to a train fault. If possible, it is a recommendation for customers to organise alternative transport for their journey.
BrentonGolding

is it worth while considering the running of the warrnambool services as a minimium via Newport?  

Does anyone know what time the train failed?
  Tony M. Junior Train Controller

They're still running buses on the Geelong line at 1.50pm - seems now it's buses to / from Lara, a shuttle train from Waurn Ponds to Lara. The Warnambool train ran via Werribee but that's it.

A train to Melbourne broke down around Tarniet around 7.30am from what they were saying this morning. Seems as there's no way to get it off the main line or run trains around it, the line's blocked until further notice.
  Tony M. Junior Train Controller

(buses running Melbourne - Lara, trains running Lara - Waurn Ponds)
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Could not the Geelong trains run via Newport for the duration?

Did the Seymour etc trains run via Albion during the recent suspension via Essendon?

Anybody know, please?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
They're still running buses on the Geelong line at 1.50pm - seems now it's buses to / from Lara, a shuttle train from Waurn Ponds to Lara. The Warnambool train ran via Werribee but that's it.

A train to Melbourne broke down around Tarniet around 7.30am from what they were saying this morning. Seems as there's no way to get it off the main line or run trains around it, the line's blocked until further notice.
Tony M.

Only in Australia, only in Australia.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Only in Australia, only in Australia.
bevans
Only in Australia or Only in Victoria? Line still showing as suspended at 3 o'clock, anyone know what the train was and why they can't move it? It seems a bit odd.

BG
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Only in Australia or Only in Victoria? Line still showing as suspended at 3 o'clock, anyone know what the train was and why they can't move it? It seems a bit odd.

BG
BrentonGolding

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The rumour is management are all arguing over who should be responsible for the problem. Current discussions include,

Transport Minister
Opposition transport Minister
Acting Head of PTV
Acting head of Vline
The Driver
Union
Metro Trains
The company supposedly doing maintenance for Metro trains
The Conductor
Any other PPP
The cleaner at Flinders Street
The 3 x PSO's at the station

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Has to be some sort of joke how is it a single grain failure can stop a major rail line for 8 hours ?

April fools joke ?
  Boss Chief Commissioner

Location: Caulfield Line
Only in Australia or Only in Victoria? Line still showing as suspended at 3 o'clock, anyone know what the train was and why they can't move it? It seems a bit odd.

BG
I haven't been asked to join in.

My advice is move the darn thing
Smile

The rumour is management are all arguing over who should be responsible for the problem. Current discussions include,

Transport Minister
Opposition transport Minister
Acting Head of PTV
Acting head of Vline
The Driver
Union
Metro Trains
The company supposedly doing maintenance for Metro trains
The Conductor
Any other PPP
The cleaner at Flinders Street
The 3 x PSO's at the station

Smile
bevans
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Train disruption
17:21 South Geelong - Southern Cross is operating as a train from Geelong. South Geelong customers please travel per following service.
  Tony M. Junior Train Controller

According to someone who was on the train that broke down, it actually broke down closer to 6am. Still no idea what happened or why they couldn't move it, though a Metro driver who was catching the bus I was on this morning said it had something to do with there being no crossovers at that stretch of track so it wasn't possible to move trains around it or get an engine down there to tow it out of the way. No idea if that's accurate or not.
  spottyrahr Chief Commissioner

Heard from one of the bus drivers who were on replacement (so take it with a grain of salt) that apparently the N class had an issues with this bearings.. as in it lost them everywhere.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
My cousin was on the train this morning and posted this video to his facebook from the train before they were eventually unloaded using ladders and put onto buses, something like 2 or 3 hours after the train stopped.

https://fbcdn-video-g-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpa1/v/t42.1790-2/13384978_251053325251791_1766251830_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&oh=1a2649636eb20f836b6980d7a3fce0f4&oe=57519D54&__gda__=1464967263_6012eec1230d72c80ad9dc5a4d95f379

  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Yet again the travelling punters suffer inordinate delay and disruption through 3   primary reasons  :

1. A totally disfunctional transport bureaucracy in DOT, PTV and VLP that will  NOT do what they are paid to do deliver a reasonably reliable  service.
2. Penny pinching Treasury Officials aided and abetted by those in the aforementioned transport agencies seeking brownie points  that continually allow corners to be cut in building major projects .
3. A Government and Minister who continue to allow the above to continue, instead  of demanding results or seeing that more heads roll.

If the Government doesnt get all three agencies to get their act together fast, unreliable disjointed PT will lose Andrews the 2018 election, just as surely it lost an election for  Brumby. and  Napthine .

Now to the  Geelong line stuff up . (the third such incident of massive disruption in 9 months since RRL opened)

IF  RRL had been built with bi directional signalling  (as everything has been up till now) and there were a pair of crossovers at Manor Junction .

and IF  VLP had an agreement in place with Metro to use  Metro tracks between  Southern Cross and  Manor Junction and Southern Cross and  Sunshine in times of disruption

and IF  VLP and Metro had fitted the 9 lx between Yarraville and Manor  Jct with axle counters  this is what could have been done :

1.  Clear  Down RRL East RRL line of all trains between  Deer park & Manor Junction .
2. Run all  UP Geelongs via East RRL line between Manor Jct and Deer Park.
3. Run all Down Geelongs  via  Werribee.

In that way Metro Up Werribee unaffected,  Up  VLP  Geelongs at least kept moving,  Down VLP Geelongs extended travel times but still kept moving .  Mimimal bustitutions to pax on disabled train .

Again its NOT  ROCKET SCIENCE .  The old VR Commissioners installed bi directional signalling on duplicated country lines for a very sound reason .  Failure to continue this practice with RRL , coupled with a totally disfunctional transport bureacracy, multiple operators , coupled with Operators who will not MANAGE  continues to be recipe for apalling service delivery in times of disruption . The Victorian public deserves much better .  As  Rod says nobody who has the power to make it happens actually cares .
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My cousin was on the train this morning and posted this video to his facebook from the train before they were eventually unloaded using ladders and put onto buses, something like 2 or 3 hours after the train stopped.

https://fbcdn-video-g-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpa1/v/t42.1790-2/13384978_251053325251791_1766251830_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&oh=1a2649636eb20f836b6980d7a3fce0f4&oe=57519D54&__gda__=1464967263_6012eec1230d72c80ad9dc5a4d95f379


TOQ-1

The locomotive was N462

Some v/line trains did run via Newport in a down direction.  Not sure if these had passengers aboard.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

From todays  GEELONG ADVERTISER  .  No doubt this is what the  VLP  Executive General Manager  Customer Experience won an award for  . Same old V/line after  umpteen years, no contingency back up really, poor communication to the punters ; just CRISIS  management at its best :

"We shivered in the bus replacement bay at Footscray for at least 45 minutes with no idea as to when the damn thing would arrive.

Finally, the lone bus appeared.

And, reluctantly, we shuffled on to an “all station stopping” bus.

Next thing the bus driver is announcing: “Morning everyone, just so you know, I have no idea where to go — so if anyone wants to come and direct me that would be great.”

Most of us had to laugh so we wouldn’t cry.

Others rang back their bosses to say, “I think I’ll be a while.”

Some of us took to twitter to live twit what was turning into an off-road nightmare.

Next thing you know, we’re bumping our way along a dirt road in the middle of what could have been someone’s farm.

People joked about helicopters, phone GPS systems were whipped out and the guy updating his boss behind me was just like, “I feel like a hostage.”

So do I mate. So do I.

An hour and 45 minutes in and we’re not even at Lara — another woman who’s stressing because she’s so incredibly late for work announces she has an Uber waiting at Lara station and we’re welcome to come.

YES! Thank you kind stranger.

Three of us get off the hostage bus as quickly as possible and jump into the Uber — 20 minutes later I’m at work and venting hard.

Our third passenger, clearly in a bit of state announces her university exam started half an hour ago.

I hope she gets an A — for being a trooper, at least.

This morning’s response from V/line was unacceptable. There was little communication and apparently no contingency plan.

Surely there could be a better back-up in place? At least one that doesn’t leave people not even sure they’ll reach their destination in one piece.

The only person who did well out of this morning was Uber, once again they provided a service no one else could.

So thanks Remmy, for getting me to work only two hours late.
  monday Chief Commissioner

Suspension bearing failure. They're generally pretty fatal particularly where the failure caused an axle seizure.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
If the loco can't be towed - get cranes down there fast and lift it clear. Then get a loco down and haul the rest away. For those who say a loco couldn't get there on the track in question, what about issuing a Wrong Line Order as we used to do?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
My cousin was on the train this morning and posted this video to his facebook from the train before they were eventually unloaded using ladders and put onto buses, something like 2 or 3 hours after the train stopped.

https://fbcdn-video-g-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpa1/v/t42.1790-2/13384978_251053325251791_1766251830_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&oh=1a2649636eb20f836b6980d7a3fce0f4&oe=57519D54&__gda__=1464967263_6012eec1230d72c80ad9dc5a4d95f379


The locomotive was N462

Some v/line trains did run via Newport in a down direction.  Not sure if these had passengers aboard.
bevans
V/Line said that the Warrnambool trains ran via Newport.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

My cousin was on the train this morning and posted this video to his facebook from the train before they were eventually unloaded using ladders and put onto buses, something like 2 or 3 hours after the train stopped.

https://fbcdn-video-g-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpa1/v/t42.1790-2/13384978_251053325251791_1766251830_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&oh=1a2649636eb20f836b6980d7a3fce0f4&oe=57519D54&__gda__=1464967263_6012eec1230d72c80ad9dc5a4d95f379


The locomotive was N462

Some v/line trains did run via Newport in a down direction.  Not sure if these had passengers aboard.
bevans
V/Line said that the Warrnambool trains ran via Newport.
"railblogger"


Now VLP need to move fast and arrange with  Metro to install axle counters on the 9 lx between Yarraville and Manor Junction so VLP DMU can also use the route via Werribee in times of disruption .  Who pays for the lx axle counters is irrelevant as the taxpayers are ultimately paying.  Just sort it out and get it done.

This is the third instance of peak hours  total stuff up on RRL and these emergency arrangements should have been put in place with Metro from day 1 if VLP management had been more pro active .
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
V/Line said that the Warrnambool trains ran via Newport.


Now VLP need to move fast and arrange with  Metro to install axle counters on the 9 lx between Yarraville and Manor Junction so VLP DMU can also use the route via Werribee in times of disruption .  Who pays for the lx axle counters is irrelevant as the taxpayers are ultimately paying.  Just sort it out and get it done.

This is the third instance of peak hours  total stuff up on RRL and these emergency arrangements should have been put in place with Metro from day 1 if VLP management had been more pro active .
kuldalai

Axle counters count for nought if the drivers aren't qualified to operate along the old Geelong line via Newport and Werribee and sadly this is increasingly the case.

Moreover there are less and less drivers who are now qualified to run trains between Werribee and Manor Junction.

Mike.
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

Privatisation and disaggregation - the "gift" that keeps on giving.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Privatisation and disaggregation - the "gift" that keeps on giving.
TedHanson
Oh come off it. Rolling Eyes

I appreciate you were just trying to score a party political point (although I'm not sure why as it's ancient history now). But you really should check how things actually worked on the Geelong line back then before you say anything

The West Coast Railway provided competition to Vline and that pressure kept both operators on the ball. I was a daily commuter from Melbourne to Geelong back in the 1990s and if I had the choice, I used WCR services as they had an approach of almost nothing being too much trouble for their customers. Their presence (and the competition they provided) made Vline staff pay attention to improving their service too. So things improved for everyone, regardless of whose trains they used. Generally a monopoly in any field makes people complacent and not try as hard (just look at the balls up yesterday), but a little competition on the Geelong line forced both providers to lift their game.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Privatisation and disaggregation - the "gift" that keeps on giving.
Oh come off it. Rolling Eyes

I appreciate you were just trying to score a party political point (although I'm not sure why as it's ancient history now). But you really should check how things actually worked on the Geelong line back then before you say anything

The West Coast Railway provided competition to Vline and that pressure kept both operators on the ball. I was a daily commuter from Melbourne to Geelong back in the 1990s and if I had the choice, I used WCR services as they had an approach of almost nothing being too much trouble for their customers. Their presence (and the competition they provided) made Vline staff pay attention to improving their service too. So things improved for everyone, regardless of whose trains they used. Generally a monopoly in any field makes people complacent and not try as hard (just look at the balls up yesterday), but a little competition on the Geelong line forced both providers to lift their game.
Bogong
Well said Bogong. I used West Coast Rail and found it a to be very good service.

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