Out of curiosity, have you enquired about the VPS? If so what has the process been like?

Out of curiosity, have you enquired about the VPS? If so what has the process been like?

We haven't - not interested in selling. Have seen comments from neighbours that no-one in Railway Parade, Murrumbeena has been eligible because there is a road between the houses and the works. I don't know if this is true. If it is it greatly eliminates applications on the south side of the line, much of which has road between the houses and the line.

We bought the house 20 years ago knowing that one day something would be done about the level crossings and that we probably wouldn't like the disruption of the works. We weren't anticipating so much shade on the house and garden, however!

Losing all the trees is upsetting. I really wished they'd just gone and taken them all out in one go, rather than the "take a few this weekend, a few a month later, a few a month later" approach they used. The big lemon scented gum was obviously going to have to go but they left it until last! (It was not a local native. Nice tree, though.)

What views have the residents voiced regarding additional noise?  Has the EIS addressed this?

What views have the residents voiced regarding additional noise?  Has the EIS addressed this?

I read something or other from the LXRA that said the viaduct would actually be less noisy than what's there now.

Overseas (or at least, in Hong Kong), I've seen noise reduction being touted as a reason FOR putting rail up on viaducts.

What views have the residents voiced regarding additional noise?  Has the EIS addressed this?

I read something or other from the LXRA that said the viaduct would actually be less noisy than what's there now.

Overseas (or at least, in Hong Kong), I've seen noise reduction being touted as a reason FOR putting rail up on viaducts.

From what I remember of physics, it should be less noisy. The primary sources of noise will be the wheel-rail interface and (for the majority of traffic - Metro services) the traction motors in the driven bogies (diesel engines for the V/Line and frieght services).

The higher frequency sounds will not diffract easily around the barriers on the sides of the viaducts (same principle as the sound barriers you see along highways and freeways) and so should be reduced in contrast to the current situation.

Lower frequency sounds will diffract around, but they too should be reduced (although not as much) since it's no longer a direct line-of-sight between the rails and residents (at bare minimum there will be the derailment barriers).

Noise from locomotive-hauled freight and passenger services is likely to be the least reduced of all, I suspect. Of course, those near level crossing shouldn't need to put up with the horns anymore, either.

The ALP intends developing and running their own marketing campaign for the sky rail on the Frankston line where they have a few marginal seats. Why is there is a need for a sky rail in a sandbelt area where tunnelling is far cheaper than it is in areas where rocks are more prevalent.

Digging out sand for those level crossings should not be expensive.

Digging out sand for those level crossings should not be expensive.

Digging out sand for those level crossings should not be expensive.

Digging out sand for those level crossings should not be expensive.

On the other hand, dealing with a high local watertable is hellishly expensive.

The ALP intends developing and running their own marketing campaign for the sky rail on the Frankston line where they have a few marginal seats. Why is there is a need for a sky rail in a sandbelt area where tunnelling is far cheaper than it is in areas where rocks are more prevalent.

Digging out sand for those level crossings should not be expensive.

Another problem all underground structures need drainage and often such structures when built will muck up the area's water table so anyone surviving on wells or bores are often out of luck. This happened when they dug the Severn tunnel most wells on the southern side dried up completely.

Another problem all underground structures need drainage and often such structures when built will muck up the area's water table so anyone surviving on wells or bores are often out of luck. This happened when they dug the Severn tunnel most wells on the southern side dried up completely.

I did note that on several of the videos for the Frankston Line 8 (FL8) that the LXRA was doing comprehensive Environmental Effects Statements (and presumably studies connected to them). The effects of trenching on the drainage of local wetlands might allow the LXRA to put the kibosh on the bathtub trench option regardless of the local's feelpinions on the matter.

Digging out sand for those level crossings should not be expensive.

On the other hand, dealing with a high local watertable is hellishly expensive.

And with sea level rise likely to be 300-600 mm by 2100, possibly a lot higher and growing faster each century, progressively more expensive.  Seems to make sense to elevate the rail.

If these doomsday predictions come true, Port Phillip Bay has the ability to have a dyke built across the heads with locks and pumps controlling the movement of water, ships/boats and marine life.

If these doomsday predictions come true, Port Phillip Bay has the ability to have a dyke built across the heads with locks and pumps controlling the movement of water, ships/boats and marine life.

Not possible - 3 major rivers empty out into Port Phillip Bay.

Audrey

Flood gates would be open during low tide and closed during high tide.

Have you been to the Netherlands and surrounding lowlands to see how they deal with the "Nord Zee" (North Sea) ?

And with sea level rise likely to be 300-600 mm by 2100, possibly a lot higher and growing faster each century, progressively more expensive.  Seems to make sense to elevate the rail.

If these doomsday predictions come true, Port Phillip Bay has the ability to have a dyke built across the heads with locks and pumps controlling the movement of water, ships/boats and marine life.

Flood gates would be open during low tide and closed during high tide.

Have you been to the Netherlands and surrounding lowlands to see how they deal with the "Nord Zee" (North Sea) ?

I am aware of the solutions in the Netherlands and have seen some of the dykes.

Don't think dykes will be any more popular than a skyrail along the Frankston line! Nor can we afford it.

Also only offers protection for sea level rises of up to a metre or so. More than that and we're screwed. (Which we will be anyway.)