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  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Imterestingly this has been up for a long time, and does not seem to have come to anything.
Were the expressions of interest so low that it is not now going to happen?

Wonder how popular these would be at $215 without the Martian?
(that is if they could lose that damn clock)

830 Class

Cheers
Rod Young

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  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The crew do not worry mew, it's the need to replace the decoder. I think more might have sold if they came with a standard 8 pin DCC socket.

Still, I think a good move on their part, this latest offering.

Regards,
David Head
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Certainly is a long waited step in the right direction. Does at least show they're willing to act on the criticism (quite justified) they received for the first run. The motorised fan was always a gimmick and pleased to see it gone. I suppose without drivers it makes it more realistic to run in the shafts and just how compatible its running characteristics will be with other manufacturers 48s (or whatever) could be interesting.

Rod, not sure where you're getting the $350 in shops. They do say on the order form they "expect" the after delivery price - and I would assume that means in the shops - will be $290-295. However I do agree it would be better to at least give some timeline for the expected arrival of these models.

Tony
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Certainly is a long waited step in the right direction. Does at least show they're willing to act on the criticism (quite justified) they received for the first run. The motorised fan was always a gimmick and pleased to see it gone. I suppose without drivers it makes it more realistic to run in the shafts and just how compatible its running characteristics will be with other manufacturers 48s (or whatever) could be interesting.

Rod, not sure where you're getting the $350 in shops. They do say on the order form they "expect" the after delivery price - and I would assume that means in the shops - will be $290-295. However I do agree it would be better to at least give some timeline for the expected arrival of these models.

Tony
brissim
Sorry Tony, I was being a little creative (as usual) My local shop just put the T Class and 48 Class up to $350 in Albury. I could not see the Candy 48 selling along side at $295. Of course Powerline could do a price change and lower all models to $295, but that would go against what all the Direct Sellers are telling us. Remember also Powerlines Policy has always been that every product always has a retail margin built in. If a manufacturer does / did not abide by that, they were excluded from exhibiting at Sandown...
Hmmm with this new early bird price, does that mean that Powerline cant exhibit there also?? Ha Ha (And they only had a cheap and nasty display cube out of the way anyways)
Cheers
Rod
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Bobs are selling their 48  direct through the shop at the same price they are selling them on eBay their would almost be a $50 on cost to eBay I suppose if they sold direct at $250/260 cash they would have my money for 2 at least . I won't pay a $100 premium per loco because of another reason, with all the other projects now being delivered peoples money is being diverted to the other manufacturers.
  ed31880 Train Controller

Isn't it funny how there were dire pedictions of a doomed industry with Auscisions percieved predatory pricing and duplication but wow Powerline now dropping their prices by $100 !!! Nothing like competition to bring down prices to the benifit of all.

I know whos will be more accrate and it aint Powerlines 48.
2LaGrange
My understanding is that the first run of a model pays for the tooling and that there is more of a margin in re runs as the tooling is already payed for, so this may help explain part of the reason why Powerline have been able to drop their price.

Competition is good for the buyer, but it would be nice if the manufacturers could some how avoid doubling up on models as it would be hurting the bottom line of those who have in the past/ or are about to release the same models in competition to each other (VLX/BLX-Auscision and On Track, FX-SDS and Southern Rail, PRX-SDS and Southern Rail).  The hobby needs these manufacturers to have healthy bottom lines so that they can continue in business and keep producing quality models.

As for Auscision and their perceived predatory pricing, it would be nice if they could charge $225 as the early bird price for all of their models and not just the 48 class.  At a time were manufacturers are constantly telling the hobby that current prices can't be sustained and that the $Aus is dropping and wages and manufacturing cost in China are rising, it's interesting that Auscision have been able to reduce their early bird cost. I am sure you can see why people would think that Auscision is being predatory with their pricing.

For the perceived benefit of all, i hope Auscision's 48 class is more accurate than your spelling.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Regarding the timing for the Candy 48s - I notice on their FB page in answer to a query PL are saying 2016. Hope no one was holding their breath waiting for them to arrive.

Tony
  2LaGrange Train Controller

My understanding is that the first run of a model pays for the tooling and that there is more of a margin in re runs as the tooling is already payed for, so this may help explain part of the reason why Powerline have been able to drop their price.

Competition is good for the buyer, but it would be nice if the manufacturers could some how avoid doubling up on models as it would be hurting the bottom line of those who have in the past/ or are about to release the same models in competition to each other (VLX/BLX-Auscision and On Track, FX-SDS and Southern Rail, PRX-SDS and Southern Rail).  The hobby needs these manufacturers to have healthy bottom lines so that they can continue in business and keep producing quality models.

As for Auscision and their perceived predatory pricing, it would be nice if they could charge $225 as the early bird price for all of their models and not just the 48 class.  At a time were manufacturers are constantly telling the hobby that current prices can't be sustained and that the $Aus is dropping and wages and manufacturing cost in China are rising, it's interesting that Auscision have been able to reduce their early bird cost. I am sure you can see why people would think that Auscision is being predatory with their pricing.

For the perceived benefit of all, i hope Auscision's 48 class is more accurate than your spelling.
ed31880


There is a way the various Importers can avoid doing the same things and that is by getting together and a good old chin wag and dividing up the market by saying you do this loco and we will do this loco and you can have this loco and we will all charge this amount.

My understanding is that the ACCC using the Trade Practices Act frowns upon this sort of behaviour and the Fines are massive for companies caught engaging in such behaviour.

Thank you for the spelling and grammar lesson but I was not aware we were in an English class and maybe you should concentrate on making sure your own posts are accurate before you worry about mine.

Auscisions 48s are $220.00 not $225.00.

I do not think Auscision would sell many 48s at their usual prices considering there are already Trainorama and Powerline 48s on the market so I guess they had no choice but to match Trainorama price pre-ordered.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


S carriage underframe sample, more info at https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels/?fref=ts
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
That looks like a definite improvement. I wonder if they will have the undercarriage and interiors available separately for those wishing to dress up their existing S carriages?
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

That looks like a definite improvement. I wonder if they will have the undercarriage and interiors available separately for those wishing to dress up their existing S carriages?
TheMeddlingMonk

Dream on...

They'll want your hard earned $125 per car or thereabouts.


Paul
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
I remain unconvinced about the timing, quality and price as Powerline has let everyone down on all three over the years. The only purpose in Powerline doing the S cars is to stop a more professional producer from doing them.

Iain
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Considering they're not a main player in the game, reruns or being second to the plate is all they have. Clearly its aimed at another part of the market. G class got done only because someone else did a better one, S cars are clearly being done before someone else did.
It'd be a nice change to see Powerline first to the plate with something great the hobby raves about. I've not seen that from them yet.

Regards
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Considering they're not a main player in the game, reruns or being second to the plate is all they have. Clearly its aimed at another part of the market. G class got done only because someone else did a better one, S cars are clearly being done before someone else did.
It'd be a nice change to see Powerline first to the plate with something great the hobby raves about. I've not seen that from them yet.

Regards
davesvline
Interestingly Powerline ,when started off, were the big movers in Australian railway modelling. Well in truth, the only movers, as Lima had stalled about that time.
Its sale to the "New" owners was its downfall.

Today we see announced that Steven Pracy (SDS Models) has purchased the dies and rights to build all Austrains older models (Not the new projects which will transfer after they have been released on the Australian market, and not any of the old stock which will be sold off at Exhibitions around Australia by Austrains)

It will be interesting to see how that transfer goes? Mind you the name stays with John Eassie, much the same as Trax/Trainorama did many years ago. (that is a bit convoluted as well with JE, B.B.B, Tom  and the Comports group playing musical owners at various times Very Happy )
Cheers
Rod
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


S passenger carriage underframe sample. Source: https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels/?fref=nf
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Looks good, hopefully the body of the model receives the same level of re-tooling
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Looks good, hopefully the body of the model receives the same level of re-tooling
Greensleeves
I think the body is pretty close. and someone said it was now more than an upgrade, closer to  a new die. But either way I suspect it will be ok.
Cheers
rod
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


via https://www.facebook.com/trainworld/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
Underside detail looks great, what's the chance of PL surprising us with a Parlor Car?  Not likely given the apparent lack of rivets on these cars.        Mark
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Underside detail looks great, what's the chance of PL surprising us with a Parlor Car?  Not likely given the apparent lack of rivets on these cars.        Mark
LaidlayM
Powerline were taking expressions of interest in a Parlor Car on their Facebook page a while back. They also mentioned that the rivetted cars would be done in the second run.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Now what they need to do, is wait 12 months, after release of the As Cars and sell dress up kits for all the thousands of cars out there, that were so crudely treated in the first batch? Smile
But hey, their mind set will be that we will all dump our existing cars and spend heaps on the new cars?
By the way Auscsion do that and seem to sell a heap of spares at Exhibitions too.
Cheers
Rod
  M636C Minister for Railways

Underside detail looks great, what's the chance of PL surprising us with a Parlor Car?  Not likely given the apparent lack of rivets on these cars.        Mark
Powerline were taking expressions of interest in a Parlor Car on their Facebook page a while back. They also mentioned that the rivetted cars would be done in the second run.
TheMeddlingMonk
They already have riveted sides for the buffet car and I assume they intend to upgrade that in the same way.

It is worth noting that one side of the 27 seat buffet is the same as the  48 seat dining car later "Murray"

So I would be surprised if Powerline didn't produce both of these in upgraded form.

They are just as important as a parlour car in making up a Spirit of Progress on broad or standard gauge.

There are two types of welded car, the early cars that were entirely welded and most later cars which had a line of rivets at the base of the body. The Powerline cars are the earlier version built in 1940. The good news is that that makes them correct for the two Spirit composite sleeping cars used on the Canberra service and later used on the Vinelander as sleeping cars. These survived to appear in V/line red as sitting cars.

M636C
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
I wonder how long till they arrive? Is the rule 12 months after the arrival of the samples except in the case of Eureka?

Iain
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I wonder how long till they arrive? Is the rule 12 months after the arrival of the samples except in the case of Eureka?

Iain
Iain

It was almost 12 months between underframe and body samples.  
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for them.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Powerline have added S car livery info to https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED and confirmed price will be $150 per carriage (and $450 for 3 packs). They also note a 2016 delivery is still expected.

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