Hyperloop: high-speed rail network that could come to Australia

 
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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Should at least be evaluated.

Hyperloop: high-speed rail network that could come to Australia

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  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Hyperloop will never work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk&feature=youtu.be


However a proven Japanese maglev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5FARo__YOs connecting Melbourne, Albury, Canberra and Parramatta would not only make these cities 15 minutes apart in a single low pressure tunnel but return $700m p/a on an investment of $35b over ten years shared by Victoria, ACT, NSW and the fed.


People must not get the two confused.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
File under "P" for Pipe Dream
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Imagine, no way. Let's see the facts, where?  Let's see the prototype and a exisiting system before even committing......

PRoven technology in use is the only way to go at the moment.

So  "tell him he's dreaming"



David
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Hyperloop will never work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk&feature=youtu.be
eddyb
Yep eddyb you have well and truly machine gunned yourself In the foot !

The proposed Berlin - Hamburg mag level was a total economic flop !

They are nothing bust science experiments and expensive toys (Shanghai airport train)
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Nightfire

To avoid confusion with other proposals perhaps I should name my proposal Magtube.


If the NWRL tunnels cost $38m per kilometre then the total of the three single tunnels between Melbourne, Albury, Canberra and Parramatta would cost $30b and the Japanese maglev guideway another $5b totalling $35b


When it is finished in ten years it would earn $700m per year as air travel could not compete on that route as their expenses would be far higher than a 1,000 kph Japanese maglev in a reduced pressure tunnel.


This does not include the value capture in these cities that would grow to 1 million as they would only be 15 minutes apart.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Nightfire

To avoid confusion with other proposals perhaps I should name my proposal Magtube.


If the NWRL tunnels cost $38m per kilometre then the total of the three single tunnels between Melbourne, Albury, Canberra and Parramatta would cost $30b and the Japanese maglev guideway another $5b totalling $35b


When it is finished in ten years it would earn $700m per year as air travel could not compete on that route as their expenses would be far higher than a 1,000 kph Japanese maglev in a reduced pressure tunnel.


This does not include the value capture in these cities that would grow to 1 million as they would only be 15 minutes apart.
eddyb
You costs estimations are so way off reality !

You have totally over looked the horrendous amount of energy It takes to accelerate a passenger vessel to 1000 km/h than maintain that speed, at normal ground level atmosphere pressure (as the video shows a vacuum tunnel Is just down right dangerous, where no safety regulator would approve of)

The airlines ain't going out of business any time soon.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Nightfire

To avoid confusion with other proposals perhaps I should name my proposal Magtube.


If the NWRL tunnels cost $38m per kilometre then the total of the three single tunnels between Melbourne, Albury, Canberra and Parramatta would cost $30b and the Japanese maglev guideway another $5b totalling $35b


When it is finished in ten years it would earn $700m per year as air travel could not compete on that route as their expenses would be far higher than a 1,000 kph Japanese maglev in a reduced pressure tunnel.


This does not include the value capture in these cities that would grow to 1 million as they would only be 15 minutes apart.
You costs estimations are so way off reality !

You have totally over looked the horrendous amount of energy It takes to accelerate a passenger vessel to 1000 km/h than maintain that speed, at normal ground level atmosphere pressure (as the video shows a vacuum tunnel Is just down right dangerous, where no safety regulator would approve of)

Why do you think it is anymore dangerous to have a train operate in the same atmosphere as a plane.

Nightfire
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Hyperloop will never work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk&feature=youtu.be
Yep eddyb you have well and truly machine gunned yourself In the foot !

The proposed Berlin - Hamburg mag level was a total economic flop !

They are nothing bust science experiments and expensive toys (Shanghai airport train)
Nightfire
The fact that it is on You Tube says everything.The place for the foil hat brigade.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Why do you think it is anymore dangerous to have a train operate in the same atmosphere as a plane.

eddyb
The risk of catastrophic failure, destroying life and property as pointed out In your liked video.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

I am sorry that so many of you cannot see the difference between Hyperloop and what I propose.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I am sorry that so many of you cannot see the difference between Hyperloop and what I propose.
eddyb
What ever.

The fact Is the Government doesn't even have the money to spend on proven technology (just study after study telling them something they already know)
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am sorry that so many of you cannot see the difference between Hyperloop and what I propose.
eddyb
you propose the Maglev ?

But in order to propose it there has to be a valid operating system to even be seriously talked about.

Regards,
David Head
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

I am sorry that so many of you cannot see the difference between Hyperloop and what I propose.
you propose the Maglev ?

But in order to propose it there has to be a valid operating system to even be seriously talked about.

Regards,
David Head
dthead
David
As there is no Australia thread I will start a Magtube one in the general section and hope that we can have some serious discussion there.
  X Class Junior Train Controller

It looks like the people boarding the Hyperloop in the graphic are boarding a thrill ride in Side Show Alley.

It would be quicker than flying perhaps, but the only infrastructure that aircraft require are the airports at either end of each flight.  Imagine the maintenance costs of keeping the pipeline operational.

A lot of hype for a loopy idea? Probably. Then again, it might just work and could be worth at least exploring.  

I'm no scientist nor civil engineer.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

If the NWRL tunnels cost $38m per kilometre then the total of the three single tunnels between Melbourne, Albury, Canberra and Parramatta would cost $30b and the Japanese maglev guideway another $5b totalling $35b


When it is finished in ten years it would earn $700m per year as air travel could not compete on that route as their expenses would be far higher than a 1,000 kph Japanese maglev in a reduced pressure tunnel.
eddyb

On your figures, that would give a return on investment of 2%. Without any allowance for operating costs.

Can't see investors lining up for that one.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It looks like the people boarding the Hyperloop in the graphic are boarding a thrill ride in Side Show Alley.

It would be quicker than flying perhaps, but the only infrastructure that aircraft require are the airports at either end of each flight.  Imagine the maintenance costs of keeping the pipeline operational.

A lot of hype for a loopy idea? Probably. Then again, it might just work and could be worth at least exploring.  

I'm no scientist nor civil engineer.
X Class

Think it was over 28 years ago, probally older, but I recall someone wanted to tunnel close to a straight line between continents and have Poids freefall around the world.....  This idea sounds similar, and unless people show real research and real itens in testing, the ideas are just fictional.

Even if fiction comes true, at the moment peple want something that works now.....


Regards,
David Head

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