Eureka Blog Update

 
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Wasn't Eureka planning a SMR 10 class ? I hear someone else is doing it.

Regards,
David Head
http://eurekamodels.com.au/eurekaprogram.html
a6et
......and the C30/C30T.  Eureka are being gazumped heavily.  

Perhaps some other importer will announce the D53/D55 models as well.

Will there be a change in the product list/priority accordingly?

Time will tell!

Happy crystal ball gazing,

John

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  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Wasn't Eureka planning a SMR 10 class ? I hear someone else is doing it.

Regards,
David Head
http://eurekamodels.com.au/eurekaprogram.html
......and the C30/C30T.  Eureka are being gazumped heavily.  

Perhaps some other importer will announce the D53/D55 models as well.

Will there be a change in the product list/priority accordingly?

Time will tell!

Happy crystal ball gazing,

John
c3526blue
And the 57/58's...

Paul
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/another-40-class-update.html
  a6et Minister for Railways

What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
alltrainzfan
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
a6et
I am sure that I read that they claimed the Trainorama 44 and 47 had split gears and that Ron had solved the problem with his 40 class and that he was going to produce new gears for free for us to replace the worn ones. Does that mean he altered his blog post? If I recall the original post correctly, that's an embarrassing back down from him (no doubt someone must have had a word to him).
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
I am sure that I read that they claimed the Trainorama 44 and 47 had split gears and that Ron had solved the problem with his 40 class and that he was going to produce new gears for free for us to replace the worn ones. Does that mean he altered his blog post? If I recall the original post correctly, that's an embarrassing back down from him (no doubt someone must have had a word to him).
alltrainzfan
I read the same, that post has been cut quite significantly from the original post.
As of this moment the google cache has the old version:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PEU9f84eo50J:eurekamodels.blogspot.com/2016/08/40-class-update.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au


In the latest edition of The Eureka Times there is a photo of a set of 40 class test samples which were the result of the 40 class tooling being checked as being fit for purpose. The tooling passed with flying colours however, as part of the process much thought has been given to a problem that has plagued previous models produced by Sanda Kan which utilised the same gearing as is used in the 40 class. The Trainorama 44 class is the main culprit but the 47 and 49 classes from Trainorama also suffer from the same problem which is a failure in the gearing caused by splitting of the gears. This failure of the gears appears to take place over time, usually in models that have remained in their boxes without having been used. 44 class with all three gears split

Clearly Eureka wants to avoid any possibility of the problem occurring in the 40 class and so the situation with the cracking of in the 44 class gears was raised with Eureka's manufacturer.

The factory engineers took a look at the problem and pointed out that the cracking was occurring at the injection points which was obviously a point of weakness in the gear. By moving the injection points the problem would be solved. There was also some discussion on the material used when injecting the 44 class gears and a different material will be used in the 40 class injections. The whole process has been a useful one and the 40 class will be strengthened as a result.

Injection of 40 class bits will commence shortly. When it comes to injecting the gears, Eureka will have extras produced to be made available for anyone who wants to use them to replace any cracked gears in their Trainorama 44, 47 and 49 class models.
Somebody
  a6et Minister for Railways

What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
I am sure that I read that they claimed the Trainorama 44 and 47 had split gears and that Ron had solved the problem with his 40 class and that he was going to produce new gears for free for us to replace the worn ones. Does that mean he altered his blog post? If I recall the original post correctly, that's an embarrassing back down from him (no doubt someone must have had a word to him).
alltrainzfan
I don't remember there being anything about free wheel sets being mentioned. He would bring them out & think he could make a good profit on selling them.

Thing is though he also mentioned in that blog post that there were other models from 47cl was one that had the same issue, yet there was never any complaints regarding them.  TOR had put out a notice that the problem existed in a rerun owing to the gears being left over from an order from the U.S which had also had big problems with them as well. They were substituted by the factory rather than make new ones, the old waste not want not scenario.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
I am sure that I read that they claimed the Trainorama 44 and 47 had split gears and that Ron had solved the problem with his 40 class and that he was going to produce new gears for free for us to replace the worn ones. Does that mean he altered his blog post? If I recall the original post correctly, that's an embarrassing back down from him (no doubt someone must have had a word to him).
alltrainzfan
FFS, he never said they would be FREE, he said they would be made available to people.

Paul
  alltrainzfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Here
What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
I am sure that I read that they claimed the Trainorama 44 and 47 had split gears and that Ron had solved the problem with his 40 class and that he was going to produce new gears for free for us to replace the worn ones. Does that mean he altered his blog post? If I recall the original post correctly, that's an embarrassing back down from him (no doubt someone must have had a word to him).
I don't remember there being anything about free wheel sets being mentioned. He would bring them out & think he could make a good profit on selling them.

Thing is though he also mentioned in that blog post that there were other models from 47cl was one that had the same issue, yet there was never any complaints regarding them.  TOR had put out a notice that the problem existed in a rerun owing to the gears being left over from an order from the U.S which had also had big problems with them as well. They were substituted by the factory rather than make new ones, the old waste not want not scenario.
a6et

I was wrong about free wheelsets (thank you Ikernan) but the old post goes to show the embarrassing backflip Ron has made. I would assume someone kicked up a stink and Ron had to back down? It was a weird blog post and I don't recall the last time a manufacturer dishing dirt to Eureka (although SRM with the SMR 10 class may do that unintentionally).

Anyway it's good to see the 40 class making progress and the engineers have made some work. He should make gears available to Austrains Sanda Kan loco owners too as I have 421s and DLs and X classes with split gears too.
  sandown Chief Commissioner

Location: sydney
What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
I am sure that I read that they claimed the Trainorama 44 and 47 had split gears and that Ron had solved the problem with his 40 class and that he was going to produce new gears for free for us to replace the worn ones. Does that mean he altered his blog post? If I recall the original post correctly, that's an embarrassing back down from him (no doubt someone must have had a word to him).
I don't remember there being anything about free wheel sets being mentioned. He would bring them out & think he could make a good profit on selling them.

Thing is though he also mentioned in that blog post that there were other models from 47cl was one that had the same issue, yet there was never any complaints regarding them.  TOR had put out a notice that the problem existed in a rerun owing to the gears being left over from an order from the U.S which had also had big problems with them as well. They were substituted by the factory rather than make new ones, the old waste not want not scenario.

I was wrong about free wheelsets (thank you Ikernan) but the old post goes to show the embarrassing backflip Ron has made. I would assume someone kicked up a stink and Ron had to back down? It was a weird blog post and I don't recall the last time a manufacturer dishing dirt to Eureka (although SRM with the SMR 10 class may do that unintentionally).

Anyway it's good to see the 40 class making progress and the engineers have made some work. He should make gears available to Austrains Sanda Kan loco owners too as I have 421s and DLs and X classes with split gears too.
alltrainzfan
Pointing out the obvious is hardly dishing dirt on TOR. TOR could have identified the same solution to the problem and set about doing something proactive too but chose not to. Any dirt should dished in their direction, remaking gears and wheelsets with same faults and charging a premium for them is hardly providing the customer a service.
  sandown Chief Commissioner

Location: sydney
Some people are never happy Very Happy (also noting likes) Oh wait a minute ....that's something usually said about me Smile
The first time in years I praise Ron, and you cannot see that what he has offered is not only good for all of us consumers, but for the model railway industry as a whole?
Maybe the next big concession to us, will be Eureka or Auscision might widen their spare parts to cover all bits that wear out, to future proof our lovely models?
Cheers
Rod

Ha Ha, Yep I am as Happy as Larry.

It was a simple observation of the ToR reaction (or lack thereof) to what has now appeared to be a relatively "simple fix".

Especially when we refer back to the "fox in the chook run" calamity that went on here.

Yes, while I can see that is is good for those consumers / modellers that have a ToR product with a faulty gear set, but why has it taken Eureka to do it....

Sure I understand that Eureka is getting similar axles gears made to a now "revised design", so why not squirt some more at the same time and sell to the local market rather than ToR having to plead for a fix and a dedicated run of axles back then...... which most likely would not have been entertained.

Maybe for all the tin hatters out there... it is actually being backed by ToR and provided by Eureka

Good Luck with your pipe dream of the "next big concession to us" it is doubtful that, that will ever happen.

Will go now and buy some more alfoil and await my K class

Regards,

Catchpoint
Yeah I take your point.
Bobs Hobbies did in fact did make available improved spare parts to correct the 44 Class gear problem. I bought 60 axles and fixed several problems with Austrains and Trainorama engines. The replacement axles can be got from Bobs at this time and seem to be ok, so far.
I have some empathy for TOR as they suffered most. Not only did Sanda Kan affect them as much as it did Eureka and Austrains. but Tom Fisher passed away leaving Management of the partnership in charge of his wife who passed management on to a third party. So control in hands of a non owner of the business?
The present owner only took control after the business had already suffered through mismanagement, which he could not do anything about as he held less than 50% ownership and under Tom Fisher's original partnership, was excluded from any control, as I hear it. In other words a financial partner only.
Rather than let the business fold as it probably should have done, he bought Tom's widows share of the Company by selling off unrelated assets to raise capital (during a time of recession?)  He  paid off all the creditors when he took control of the business.
Now cash strapped, he started to rebuild it,  and after losing the 48 Class war with Auscision is still pulling the Company back into line.
So if we count up the collapse of Sanda Kan, death of the heart of the business, Tom, mismanagement, then a rearrangement of assets and finally purchase of the company, all added to the burden Bob had to control to get thus far.
I don't think anybody else out there would have tried so hard to save the Company?
I just hope he understands why I tell this, because he has not told us himself, and yet I am proud he thinks enough of us (me) to go so far. I know if he succeeds their will be financial rewards, but I gather nothing much has returned for quiet a few years, and probably for a few years to come? I admit I am an Aussie who believes in a fair go, and I admire those who are prepared to fight the battle and give it a huge go!  I believe Bob is doing just that. I never forget that Austrains in many different guises, were the ones that proved Auusie Models would sell.
But it was Trainorama with that first 44 Class that proved it did not have to be a toy. remember the day we saw those true 3D bogies and the super detailed bodies, which lifted all the other manufacturers as they had to follow.

Do you think Eureka product would have been so detailed without competition?  Actually think it might have been so, now that I think of the Garratt and Rail Motor from the early days. What was the time line? which came first? the chicken or the egg ?
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
Tom Fisher was dead before Bob Cooke started the 44 class model, he is and was the principal of the company from the get go. Lets keep history correct.
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
Presumably Trainorama had a hissy fit as they are prone to. The splitting of the gears is a well known problem discussed on a few forums over the years so it is hardly news to anyone. I thought Traino had a solution in the form of replacements. Anyway if the Eureka solution turns up it would also be welcome.

The 40 class is looking good though.

Iain
  a6et Minister for Railways

What was the post about Ron and his solutions about the Trainorama 44? The blog post on the 9th says nothing about Trainorama 44s? Ron says it's one of the best diesels produced to date. Confused
http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/40-class-update.html
I am sure that I read that they claimed the Trainorama 44 and 47 had split gears and that Ron had solved the problem with his 40 class and that he was going to produce new gears for free for us to replace the worn ones. Does that mean he altered his blog post? If I recall the original post correctly, that's an embarrassing back down from him (no doubt someone must have had a word to him).
I don't remember there being anything about free wheel sets being mentioned. He would bring them out & think he could make a good profit on selling them.

Thing is though he also mentioned in that blog post that there were other models from 47cl was one that had the same issue, yet there was never any complaints regarding them.  TOR had put out a notice that the problem existed in a rerun owing to the gears being left over from an order from the U.S which had also had big problems with them as well. They were substituted by the factory rather than make new ones, the old waste not want not scenario.

I was wrong about free wheelsets (thank you Ikernan) but the old post goes to show the embarrassing backflip Ron has made. I would assume someone kicked up a stink and Ron had to back down? It was a weird blog post and I don't recall the last time a manufacturer dishing dirt to Eureka (although SRM with the SMR 10 class may do that unintentionally).

Anyway it's good to see the 40 class making progress and the engineers have made some work. He should make gears available to Austrains Sanda Kan loco owners too as I have 421s and DLs and X classes with split gears too.
Pointing out the obvious is hardly dishing dirt on TOR. TOR could have identified the same solution to the problem and set about doing something proactive too but chose not to. Any dirt should dished in their direction, remaking gears and wheelsets with same faults and charging a premium for them is hardly providing the customer a service.
sandown
Thing is that TOR did bring in new full axle wheelsets, provided them free for those who had receipts for the models afffected.

The first batch brought in more replacement wheels than models actually produced. I spoke to the then shop manager & he commented that they sold out of the wheel sets quite fast, what they were sold for to many customers were people who were not buying them for TOR models but to replace them in U.S models that had the cracked gears.

An internet search for defective/cracked gears on model railway locomotives brings up a large number of complaints in the U.S of modellers who had purchased Bachmann, USA along wit Athearn & IIRC Life Like models had the same issues with modellers looking for replacement gears. The time frame was between 2008 - 2010.  I had someone suggest that TOR should not have sold them to modellers who did not want them for the 44c & keep them for those customers, could imagine where that would have headed.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Presumably Trainorama had a hissy fit as they are prone to. The splitting of the gears is a well known problem discussed on a few forums over the years so it is hardly news to anyone. I thought Traino had a solution in the form of replacements. Anyway if the Eureka solution turns up it would also be welcome.

The 40 class is looking good though.

Iain
Iain
Thing is Ian that if TOR had made a fit or whatever, in the original Eureka post they had indicated that the split gear problem was not just a 44 cl issue but also found in the 47 & 49cl which to all accounts is not correct. One would think that in the hobby world these days that if one manufacturer wanted to use a competitors name & point out a a defect in another companies products so that they could gain an advantage by onselling items, they could have had contact with the owners of, in this case TOR.

All Eureka needed to to was to say something along the lines of """ as this was Eureka's first diesel & following the problems that TOR had with some of the 44cl produced by SDK, Eureka has had the factory check the gear set up for the 40cl to try & ensure that this may not happen with the 40c.'''' or maybe how ARkits advertise in their replacement mechanisms for Tor 44cl, along with other models.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
a6et and others,

I wonder what caused the original blog wording to be edited.  I recollect being a little surprised at the openness and frankness in the first version.

It may not have been widely reported but I know of numerous TrainOrama 47 and 49 class models which exhibit the clicking noise which is a symptom of the split gear problem.  It also allows the wheelsets to wander in and out of gauge leading to derailments and shorts on pointwork.  I do not know (yet?) of this problem being reported on other Sanda Kan model locos which appear to have the same mechanism design.

Many owners are probably not aware of the extent of the problem with their own models as it does not become obvious until the bogies are pulled apart and the offending wheelset can be examined with the naked eye.  If one does not understand the symptoms and disassemble the model bogies one will not know they have a problem of this nature.  For the average modeller it is a daunting task to propose disassembling the bogie if there is no significant apparent problem.

'Ignorance is bliss'.

Happy running,

John
  a6et Minister for Railways

a6et and others,

I wonder what caused the original blog wording to be edited.  I recollect being a little surprised at the openness and frankness in the first version.

It may not have been widely reported but I know of numerous TrainOrama 47 and 49 class models which exhibit the clicking noise which is a symptom of the split gear problem.  It also allows the wheelsets to wander in and out of gauge leading to derailments and shorts on pointwork.  I do not know (yet?) of this problem being reported on other Sanda Kan model locos which appear to have the same mechanism design.

Many owners are probably not aware of the extent of the problem with their own models as it does not become obvious until the bogies are pulled apart and the offending wheelset can be examined with the naked eye.  If one does not understand the symptoms and disassemble the model bogies one will not know they have a problem of this nature.  For the average modeller it is a daunting task to propose disassembling the bogie if there is no significant apparent problem.

'Ignorance is bliss'.

Happy running,

John
c3526blue
John

Interesting thoughts.  I do only have a single 44cl, a 42, GM & 2 48's from TOR, with the exception of the 42 I have never run, the 44cl is still undergoing a body mod to take it back to an early as delivered Mk 1 44. As I mentioned before several in the model group I am in have a large fleet of TOR diesels & I am only aware of one modeller who has the clicking gear problems but also as I mentioned he's not worried as it is not heard when running #2 end leading seems he said to be only one gear as well.

Likewise when I last spoke to the store manager he said that there has been no reports of defective gears on other than those in an affected batch from SDK not all of the runs though.  What is common that I see is that the the models prior to the GM's came from SDK, & like Eureka whose models up to now, loco wise also came from SDK, & Ron Cunningham likely wanted to ensure the problem would not happen with the 40cl as had happened with the 44's. The one thing though is that the factory now used by TOR is the same one that produces the Helgan range of European models, & there has never been issues with them,  & likely that is what TOR are now hopping for as well.

The other interesting thing is if any of the Austrains diesels have had any of the same issues as they too were a large client of SDK with their range of models especially the diesel runs.
  M636C Minister for Railways


http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/another-40-class-update.html
Poath Junction
This blog post is completely different from what the main Eureka web site still states.

This is good. A6et can buy his original green units.

Reading between the lines, the grille or its lack might have been a reason that the "Type 1" disappeared from the list.

I'm still disappointed that blue units aren't available in the form they hauled the Royal Train.

M636C
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
John

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The other interesting thing is if any of the Austrains diesels have had any of the same issues as they too were a large client of SDK with their range of models especially the diesel runs.
a6et
Col
I  I have replaced two Austrains wheel sets thus far using the Trainorama replacement wheel sets. But to be honest, I
interchange bogies and wheel sets, so I am not even sure that is true.
But the important bit that our contributors here are missing with their selective reading is....

IT WAS A SANDAKAN problem.....  TRAINORAMA got in spares and long after warranty was over, provided replacements at a small cost to fix the problem!    Today you can still buy replacement axles from Bob's

Walthers Proto 2000(?) models also suffered the same problem and production of certain US models were curtailed whilst the problem was fixed.
NWSL produced a high quality delrin gear set as a replacement gear for ALL SandaKan product (But it was very expensive)

US models were very quickly fixed and no longer suffer this problem and I feel fairly certain that if SANDAKAN still existed, their product would be ok as well.
Moving old dies (from SandaKan) to new factories may exasperate the problem, or fix it.  In manufacturing Industries small plastic parts are cleaned and stored in bulk bins, going on pictures released from China.  Its possible that a short term problem might be perpetuated because the bins are never ever emptied, and improved gears got mixed with bad gears? Just thinking out loud. Wondering if Sanda Kan passed on the faulty US gears to dumb Aussies, just like Regal Way passed on faulty DCC chips to another Aussie Importer?? Just saying.

All importers do their utmost to provide good product, we on Railpage seem to do our best to knock them down. Some of you people should have gone through the EPOXY  "poxy" era when we had nothing, to appreciate the "glory" days we are experiencing now. Although we may not agree with everything (including price Sad ), at least we should give them credit for putting up the money so that we can all share in such diversity Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  a6et Minister for Railways

John

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The other interesting thing is if any of the Austrains diesels have had any of the same issues as they too were a large client of SDK with their range of models especially the diesel runs.
Col
I  I have replaced two Austrains wheel sets thus far using the Trainorama replacement wheel sets. But to be honest, I
interchange bogies and wheel sets, so I am not even sure that is true.
But the important bit that our contributors here are missing with their selective reading is....

IT WAS A SANDAKAN problem.....  TRAINORAMA got in spares and long after warranty was over, provided replacements at a small cost to fix the problem!    Today you can still buy replacement axles from Bob's

Walthers Proto 2000(?) models also suffered the same problem and production of certain US models were curtailed whilst the problem was fixed.
NWSL produced a high quality delrin gear set as a replacement gear for ALL SandaKan product (But it was very expensive)

US models were very quickly fixed and no longer suffer this problem and I feel fairly certain that if SANDAKAN still existed, their product would be ok as well.
Moving old dies (from SandaKan) to new factories may exasperate the problem, or fix it.  In manufacturing Industries small plastic parts are cleaned and stored in bulk bins, going on pictures released from China.  Its possible that a short term problem might be perpetuated because the bins are never ever emptied, and improved gears got mixed with bad gears? Just thinking out loud. Wondering if Sanda Kan passed on the faulty US gears to dumb Aussies, just like Regal Way passed on faulty DCC chips to another Aussie Importer?? Just saying.

All importers do their utmost to provide good product, we on Railpage seem to do our best to knock them down. Some of you people should have gone through the EPOXY  "poxy" era when we had nothing, to appreciate the "glory" days we are experiencing now. Although we may not agree with everything (including price Sad ), at least we should give them credit for putting up the money so that we can all share in such diversity Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
comtrain
Rod
All true. One of the things I heard was that with the use of delrin especially for gears was that its possible to reuse off cuts or shavings from Delrin, but not for critical areas which I would suggest gears come under.

Proto was one of the U.S problem models as was some of the Athearn range as well.
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

has anybody heard any news or updates on the 40 Class?
  NSWGRules Locomotive Fireman

has anybody heard any news or updates on the 40 Class?
Dazz
According to latest December 2016 AMRM received today 14/11/16....."Eureka Models were, at the time of this item being prepared, expecting samples of their NSWGR 40 class diesel locomotives to arrive just after the magazine went to print.  If the samples are OK and production can be authorised immediately, a production slot is available that would see the production run delivered to Australia early 2017."  ...............so, in reading that,  Eureka Models has no real news for us patient folk, just more ifs and maybes and speculation.  Nothing really definite - AGAIN!!!!!! Sad

Have we heard this all before?????
Roll back time to 16th August 2009 and read Eureka Models Blogspot:  Yep 7 years ago
40 Class Paint Samples Arrive Painted samples of the three liveries (Green, Royal Blue and Tuscan) of the 40 class have arrived and are currently going through our checking process.


It normally takes at least 12 weeks from approval of the paint samples to delivery and given current delays at the factory a December/January 2009/2010 delivery is likely.  (How funny is that!)   Rolling Eyes

http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00:00:00%2B11:00&updated-max=2010-01-01T00:00:00%2B11:00&max-results=30

Is this history repeating itself or maybe an ever repeating dream? As the french say is this deja vu, deja vu, deja vu?
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
I think though that the earlier 40 class announcement in 2009 referred to their earlier factory. When I last spoke to Ron, at Hudson's Bay in July, he was using a new manager in China and the 40 class tooling and production was being moved to a new factory for production in late 2016. It seems logical to do test shots and paint samples to make sure that the 40 class is correct.

It is frustrating to seem how slowly Eureka seems to be moving with all their projects. I suspect there is a mixture of the problems of manufacturing in China as well I suspect Eureka over announced projects, some of which were not well supported and their resources went into those that could make a profit.

Iain
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

A little bit disappointing that they will not be here this year, but after waiting so long, and a few more months doesn't really matter I guess. At least this time it does appear that production and delivery is actually going ahead.
  M636C Minister for Railways

A little bit disappointing that they will not be here this year, but after waiting so long, and a few more months doesn't really matter I guess. At least this time it does appear that production and delivery is actually going ahead.
Dazz
What disappointed me is that moulded features on that green paint sample are no longer available.

Obviously some parts of the dies did not make the journey between manufacturers.

Vents on the top of the hood which are moulded in the green sample are to be printed on in production models.

So apart from the long wait the model quality has declined.

I also do not understand why the blue 40 class are not available with the longitudinal stack, the form in which they hauled the Royal Train.

M636C

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