Kingaroy thermal coal mine looks to reopen the Theebine to Kingaroy Branch

 
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
The former track was timber sleepered, interspersed at variable ratios with steel. The rail trail is listed as under construction.

When the rail trail is opened, I will go and look but mainly to see what has been preserved of the rail infrastructure.

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  Expost Chief Commissioner

20T axle load wont cut it. Old obsolete wagons, that have certainly just about all met their maker in the CQCN. 26.5T is where its at.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Do you ever see a road being toen up when a truck is not using it for a period?
Unused railway lines are not economical to maintain to usable standard. Roads only need to be maintained to a standard suited to their usage pattern. Hope this makes sense!
Roads are used by cars and even in poor state can be negotiated and easily repaired to make passable.  Rail does not

These are not valid reasons for the wholesale removal of railway infrastructure which costs very little to minimally maintain.
bevans
Government departments would Insist on wholesale removal of railway infrastructure for political reasons.

If the public can see a disused railway, and there are transport troubles In the area, they will contently call for the railway to be reopened / used.

If the Government takes all of the railway away (final nail In the coffin) It becomes out of sight out of mind, calls for reopening goes away.

It's a wonder how a 10 ton axle load railway survived up to 2005 !
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
"It's a wonder how a 10 ton axle load railway survived up to 2005 !"

'Twas neither rocks nor seeds, so qr wasn't interested. Delay upgrades, implement inconvenient schedules, defer improvements, and suddenly, no more pesky general freight to deal with.

Perhaps like the famed St Edwards hospital, it was thought a railway can run much more efficiently without customers.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Government departments would Insist on wholesale removal of railway infrastructure for political reasons.

If the public can see a disused railway, and there are transport troubles In the area, they will contently call for the railway to be reopened / used.

If the Government takes all of the railway away (final nail In the coffin) It becomes out of sight out of mind, calls for reopening goes away.

It's a wonder how a 10 ton axle load railway survived up to 2005 !
Nightfire
I think maybe that was formly the mindset, but not anymore. When an industry shuts down in the modern era, its return to greenfield as usually there is a bond held by the govt and/or legal requirement to do so. Leaving even a rail fish plate behind falls under littering and they can be fined separately for each individual piece and in the case of a railway this could be $10,000's over a few kim if they were not careful.

10t axle to 2005, well it is Qld.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
20T axle load wont cut it. Old obsolete wagons, that have certainly just about all met their maker in the CQCN. 26.5T is where its at.
Expost
I said 20t because its the limit for the North Coast Line and the distance to port is hundreds of km's. The NCL passing loops are short ~650m but could handle a few trains a day that are over length without any issues headed to Gladstone, not Brisbane. It would take large tonnages over a long time to justify going to 26t axle from the junction to Gladstone. Reduced speed to 80km/hr is probably half the job, the rest is bridges and Bundaberg and Boyne River maybe an issue.
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner


It's a wonder how a 10 ton axle load railway survived up to 2005 !
Nightfire
Qld still has 10 Tonne axle load main lines even in 2016.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

It's a wonder how a 10 ton axle load railway survived up to 2005 !Qld still has 10 Tonne axle load main lines even in 2016.
tazzer96
Yes, but I don't think used by freight services anymore?
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner


It's a wonder how a 10 ton axle load railway survived up to 2005 !Qld still has 10 Tonne axle load main lines even in 2016.Yes, but I don't think used by freight services anymore?
RTT_Rules
Still in use, just not by very much.   I believe cattle still come from the outer fringes of the western and so - called "Great Western Line".
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
In what year was the Kingaroy branch laid 1970's?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

From what I'm hearing the Quilpie line won't be 10.75 tonnes for much longer...QR is currently replacing the 42lb rail, strengthening bridges and adding new sleepers to allow heavier rollingstock west of Charleville. That'll be the last of the active low axle load branches still in use to be upgraded. I haven't heard when the planned works will be completed though.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

The Kingaroy branch was built sporadically over a few decades between the 1886 and 1904. Other branches  off it to Proston, Windera, Tarong and the main branch to Nanango (1911) were built after the line reached Kingaroy.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Without doubt the Queensland Government has fully signed off on all the approvals for the project, and very keen to see the tax revenue start flowing !
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Without doubt the Queensland Government has fully signed off on all the approvals for the project, and very keen to see the tax revenue start flowing !
Nightfire
The first part is probably true.  But the QLD govt collect F*ck all from mining.   If they did bother trying to get any mining royalties, we would be one of the wealthiest places in the world.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The first part is probably true.  But the QLD govt collect F*ck all from mining.   If they did bother trying to get any mining royalties, we would be one of the wealthiest places in the world.
tazzer96
The Queensland Government do very well out of GST revenue (at Victoria's expense)
Additional mining activity sees greater spending right across the board.
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

From what I'm hearing the Quilpie line won't be 10.75 tonnes for much longer...QR is currently replacing the 42lb rail, strengthening bridges and adding new sleepers to allow heavier rollingstock west of Charleville. That'll be the last of the active low axle load branches still in use to be upgraded. I haven't heard when the planned works will be completed though.
Sulla1
I think its more of a problem that all of the 10 TAL loco's are going to be gone within a few years.  Really, the entire mainline from rosewood-quiplie should be upgraded for 20 TAL, better loops with system like the adelaide-darwin so they don't need to slow down to 25km/h at every loop.  

Takes a tiny passenger train 12 hours to go 600km on nearly dead straight track because of the low track quality.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
From what I'm hearing the Quilpie line won't be 10.75 tonnes for much longer...QR is currently replacing the 42lb rail, strengthening bridges and adding new sleepers to allow heavier rollingstock west of Charleville. That'll be the last of the active low axle load branches still in use to be upgraded. I haven't heard when the planned works will be completed though.
I think its more of a problem that all of the 10 TAL loco's are going to be gone within a few years.  Really, the entire mainline from rosewood-quilpie should be upgraded for 20 TAL, better loops with system like the adelaide-darwin so they don't need to slow down to 25km/h at every loop.  

Takes a tiny passenger train 12 hours to go 600km on nearly dead straight track because of the low track quality.
tazzer96

There's well over an hour of slack in the timetable for the sector, Rosewood to Charleville...so it's not quite as bad as it reads.

Mike.
  A7EL Station Master

Location: At my desk
The rail trail from Kingaroy to Mugon will open about early March.  With only one major bridge (Barambah Creek between Murgon and Wondai) it's the easy section to make into a railtrail.  About $50 mill spent doing it, as all the rail bridges except Tingoora were removed.  I would like to know where the port will be, and there is the possibility it will be a slurry pipeline.
  A7EL Station Master

Location: At my desk
Please be advised that the Coordinator General has approved release of the draft terms of reference (TOR) for the environmental impact statement (EIS) for public comment on the proposed South Burnett Coal Project. Comments can be made from 17 October to 5pm on 14 November 2016 . Details of the project, draft TOR and advice statement are available at http://www.statedevelopment.qld.gov.au/southburnett.



The proponent, MRV Tarong Basin Coal Pty Ltd, proposes the development of an open cut coal mine, able to produce up to 10 million tonnes per annum for 30 years, and an approximately 131 kilometre multi-use transport corridor, for either a rail line or slurry pipeline.



The proposed mine site is located within the Tarong Coal Basin of the South Burnett region, approximately 6klm south of Kingaroy. The proposed corridor alignment travels north from the mine west of Kingaroy then via Wondai, Murgon, Goomeri, Kilkivan to the existing north coast rail line near Theebine.



I would urge you to consider the details of this project and submit any comments you may have before 14 November 2016.



Jeff Seeney

Member for Callide



‘All about country towns and country people‘




  A7EL Station Master

Location: At my desk
An article about the Murgon Mens shed, where the rail trail will terminate until the rest is built.
Please note the funding promised was $20 000, and it hasn't been delivered.


http://southburnett.com.au/news2/2016/10/murgon-railhead-right-on-track/
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
The rail trail from Kingaroy to Mugon will open about early March.  With only one major bridge (Barambah Creek between Murgon and Wondai) it's the easy section to make into a railtrail.  About $50 mill spent doing it, as all the rail bridges except Tingoora were removed.  I would like to know where the port will be, and there is the possibility it will be a slurry pipeline.
[i]http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/42990938[/i]
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/42990944


I saw this bridge at Wondai in September and as well as there were some handrails of small bridges visible from the road a little North of Kingaroy. The Tingoora trestle is a handsome bridge but it was dark and raining heavily when I went past so no photo.

Murgon (on a different day)

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/42783138
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/42783130
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Another trip to the Kingaroy area.

The Wondai bridge has had fill added at the eastern end.
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/44022106

The curved trestle at Tingoora.
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/44022100

There are still signs telling people not to use the trail.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
To me, those bridges are incomplete without at least a 610mm set of tracks across them...
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/thermal-coal-mine-south-burnett-moreton-resources/7425652

Plans lodged for thermal coal mine near Kingaroy in South Burnett region

By Ellie Sibson
Updated 20 May 2016, 2:06pm

Moreton Resources has lodged plans with the Federal Government for a new thermal coal mine in Queensland's South Burnett region, north-west of Brisbane.

The company proposed to extract 10 million tonnes of coal per annum from an open-cut pit, six kilometres south of Kingaroy.

It sent letters to more than a dozen landholders affected, to begin discussions about land acquisition.

Local property owner Damien O'Sullivan criticised the company for pushing ahead with the proposal when it has not secured a buyer for the coal.

"As far as I'm concerned they are trying to get a project off the ground that, to my way of thinking, is never really going to get off the ground," he said.

"What it does is it leaves a lot of landholders in limbo, it leaves a lot of people with uncertainty and there's a lot of angst."

The nearest potential customer, Stanwell, said it had enough coal to supply Tarong's power stations from its Meandu Mine, 25 kilometres from Kingaroy.

Moreton Resources is now targeting export opportunities.

Managing director Jason Elks said there would always be demand for coal and he wanted a mining lease approved within the next two years.

"You have nothing to sell until you have a mining lease, which will allow you to sell the coal," he said.

"We are at very early stages, we have multiple options, we are in talks with multiple parties and we've been looking overseas for potential buyers.

"People want to know that you've got a real project so the mining license is quite important but equally, given the commodity prices are so low, you don't also want to lock yourself into the bottom of the cycle pricing when thermal coal begins to rise.

"We're being reasonably cautious about that but we certainly would expect within the next 12-18 months to be towards a decision on an off-take partner and or, contracts of supply."

Professor John Rolfe from Central Queensland University said there were many challenges with a greenfield site.

"I think one of the unusual things that we are seeing is, it's the smaller companies that are making the play in the new developments and what's surprising is some of the bigger companies are being very cautious about expansion in coal, and some of them are looking to offload some of their coal assets," he said.

"I think if there are new entrants into the market they would have to always ask the question, is it better to try and buy an existing mine rather than opening a greenfield site?"

Moreton Resources wants the coal mine in operation by 2020.

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