Eureka Blog Update

 
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
Coincidentally, yesterday I found my order for E wagons and TW tanks cars from July 2011. The TW's have come but the E wagons which I was personally assured by Ron were arriving in 2011... They don't even warrant an update!  

Iain

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  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Coincidentally, yesterday I found my order for E wagons and TW tanks cars from July 2011. The TW's have come but the E wagons which I was personally assured by Ron were arriving in 2011... They don't even warrant an update!  

Iain
Iain
The E and O wagons seem to be the unloved cousin in this deal, they don't rate a mention in the newsletter but surprise, surprise, a 2017 date has been attached in the AMRM add, I will believe when I see it.
I would like the thank Eureka for one thing though, these are the only models that I have ever pre paid for, I learn quickly and will never pre pay for anything again, my money is worth more to me in my bank than in someone else's.

Wayne
  a6et Minister for Railways

http://eurekamodels.blogspot.com.au/

An update (15/12/16) from Eureka on the looooong awaited 40 Class.

"40 Class Production Sample
The factory has advised that 40 class production is well advanced and has provided the accompanying photo.  With assembly nearing completion the next stage in the process which is decorating (painting) will commence.  The factory will close for the Lunar New Year break which is in late January this year and will re-open in February.  This suggests a delivery late March. Production samples are expected to be received in the next two weeks."


I kinda remember text like this quite some years ago.

Still no mention of a year though!!!!!!!!!!!!  Smile
NSWGRules
2008?
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Still waiting on the WCR R Class, too. Last time I asked Ron the tooling had yet to be retrieved (although the modified tender tooling was complete) and it was in the queue behind the K Class (which is now behind the 38 Class rerun). Not expecting to see the K before 2018 and the R until 2020 at this rate.
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Coincidentally, yesterday I found my order for E wagons and TW tanks cars from July 2011. The TW's have come but the E wagons which I was personally assured by Ron were arriving in 2011... They don't even warrant an update!  

Iain
The E and O wagons seem to be the unloved cousin in this deal, they don't rate a mention in the newsletter but surprise, surprise, a 2017 date has been attached in the AMRM add, I will believe when I see it.
I would like the thank Eureka for one thing though, these are the only models that I have ever pre paid for, I learn quickly and will never pre pay for anything again, my money is worth more to me in my bank than in someone else's.

Wayne
hosk1956
Anybody willing to put a wager on when these will be delivered, using history as an example, I bet we will see a 2018 date before they come, any responce Eureka?
Out of curiousity, has anyone successfully cancelled their order and got their money back? Now that OER have the O wagons on the market I am seriously questioning whether I need this angst and indeterminate wait.

Wayne
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I think you will find from memory that the OER O wagons and the proposed model O wagon from Eureka are different types the OER ones are welded later versions of them while the Eureka ones are promised as first delivered the rivetted versions! Not that many modelers would actually worry about the difference though as from a distance they would look the same almost.  Just saying not trying to provoke anyone or something!
  NSW3802 Junior Train Controller

I cancelled an order for the VR tank cars about 12 to 18 months ago & rec'd a refund. Bought some new SDS ones instead. The 40 class still rolls on. Hope it isn't worn out before it arrives.
  yogibarnes Locomotive Fireman

I cancelled an order for the VR tank cars about 12 to 18 months ago & rec'd a refund. Bought some new SDS ones instead. The 40 class still rolls on. Hope it isn't worn out before it arrives.
NSW3802
Maybe not worn out, but well weathered and faded livery?  They should look a treat!
  a6et Minister for Railways

you wouldn't think it would have been that difficult, but like a lot of things there could be lots of reasons why it wasn't done, and unless you are privy to the inside information, you will never know!
Dazz
I have had a burr under the saddle for a while now as I await the 40cl's arrival, its a burr that also itches and while the top grilles have been picked up, how many have picked up the incorrect engine room doors that are very much on show with the Eureka blog page photo?

If one checks out the photo that Daz has put up showing the die cast sample above, compare that to the one he has also put up of the B&W shot of 4001 at the carriage works, and of course compare with the the blog page photo, and what will be found is that not only are the grilles missing on the top of the engine covers, but also the grilles on the engine room doors are very much incorrect.

Later modified 40cl had louvres on the first 4 doors and the last 4 in two full sets on each side, the as delivered ones had the front 3 with double louvres then  7 doors with small louvres top and bottom and the last 3 doors being full double sets.

Early mods had the 4th door having the bottom louvre extended up to just under the middle, then 5 small ones top and bottom, another one half way and the last 4 with double louvres.

The final adaptions had only the first and last 4 doors with double louvres in them.

Edit   Go back to Page 30, and have a look at the 6 post from Daz with the 6 photo's in it, top one is of 4001 as delivered. 2nd is green Eureka sample of 4009 with the second mod, but for some reason there are what looks to be blanked plates over the top and bottom louvre spots, and has the last 4 doors with double panels to each door, then blue 4002 which is not correct for the Royal train as its a later mod, while the tuscan version has the final correct louvres to the doors, however, I also question the blanked panels on the mid doors.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
These errors are the trade off you have to accept when a manufacturer rushes to get a new model completed quickly, without enough time being expended on checking things between drawing board concept and production.

They really should slow down a bit and spend a few more years doing the research before going into production.

(add sarcasm icon)...

Roachie
  a6et Minister for Railways

These errors are the trade off you have to accept when a manufacturer rushes to get a new model completed quickly, without enough time being expended on checking things between drawing board concept and production.

They really should slow down a bit and spend a few more years doing the research before going into production.

(add sarcasm icon)...

Roachie
Roachie
Bill

All well noted and really makes one wonder about tolerance in this hobby. 8 years and counting.  WW2 put a dent in the production of real life 38cl at Clyde Engineering, I suppose we can now blame Trump for the problem with destroying Chinese and western relationships.

Seriously though, with the monumental amount of photo's that are around of the 40cl that seriously show up detail, to get it so wrong and missing is poor research or maybe the factories are not up to producing accurate models, or is it that model railroaders are going to have to revert to accepting that Lima quality is now once again good enough.
  NSW3802 Junior Train Controller

These errors are the trade off you have to accept when a manufacturer rushes to get a new model completed quickly, without enough time being expended on checking things between drawing board concept and production.

They really should slow down a bit and spend a few more years doing the research before going into production.

(add sarcasm icon)...

Roachie
Bill

All well noted and really makes one wonder about tolerance in this hobby. 8 years and counting.  WW2 put a dent in the production of real life 38cl at Clyde Engineering, I suppose we can now blame Trump for the problem with destroying Chinese and western relationships.

Seriously though, with the monumental amount of photo's that are around of the 40cl that seriously show up detail, to get it so wrong and missing is poor research or maybe the factories are not up to producing accurate models, or is it that model railroaders are going to have to revert to accepting that Lima quality is now once again good enough.
a6et
A silly question, but has the 40 class sound option quietly been deleted.

Les
  a6et Minister for Railways

These errors are the trade off you have to accept when a manufacturer rushes to get a new model completed quickly, without enough time being expended on checking things between drawing board concept and production.

They really should slow down a bit and spend a few more years doing the research before going into production.

(add sarcasm icon)...

Roachie
Bill

All well noted and really makes one wonder about tolerance in this hobby. 8 years and counting.  WW2 put a dent in the production of real life 38cl at Clyde Engineering, I suppose we can now blame Trump for the problem with destroying Chinese and western relationships.

Seriously though, with the monumental amount of photo's that are around of the 40cl that seriously show up detail, to get it so wrong and missing is poor research or maybe the factories are not up to producing accurate models, or is it that model railroaders are going to have to revert to accepting that Lima quality is now once again good enough.
A silly question, but has the 40 class sound option quietly been deleted.

Les
NSW3802

Who Knows.  From what I have heard the owner of QSI is crook however while there is some degree of uproar about non delivery of standard QSI sound decoders they are still supplying the OEM market. I can only assume that as the OEM market only require the sound module component with the main board being a locally produced item to the QSI specs its much easier to produce just the sound component in quantity.
  railmod Chief Train Controller

These errors are the trade off you have to accept when a manufacturer rushes to get a new model completed quickly, without enough time being expended on checking things between drawing board concept and production.

They really should slow down a bit and spend a few more years doing the research before going into production.

(add sarcasm icon)...

Roachie
Bill

All well noted and really makes one wonder about tolerance in this hobby. 8 years and counting.  WW2 put a dent in the production of real life 38cl at Clyde Engineering, I suppose we can now blame Trump for the problem with destroying Chinese and western relationships.

Seriously though, with the monumental amount of photo's that are around of the 40cl that seriously show up detail, to get it so wrong and missing is poor research or maybe the factories are not up to producing accurate models, or is it that model railroaders are going to have to revert to accepting that Lima quality is now once again good enough.
A silly question, but has the 40 class sound option quietly been deleted.

Les
NSW3802
Les,
I spoke to Ron yesterday & he said the sound option was still available (QSI Titan sound I think)

Cheers Alex.
  Dazz Deputy Commissioner

  dmg_01 Station Staff

Looks like a new post regarding the 12 wheelers project regarding an earlier than expected arrival. Interesting date to make this announcement too
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Looks like a new post regarding the 12 wheelers project regarding an earlier than expected arrival. Interesting date to make this announcement too
dmg_01

It wouldn't be April Fools without a Eureka Models annoucement.
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
I only note that the July 2016 edition of the Eureka Times stated "Work has already commenced on the assembly of the 40 class (see below) and this project has been assigned absolute priority". Below were photos of components and an "assembly line" hard at work (although clearly not on the 40 class).

Iain
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I am not tearing a strip off of Eureka here as most of the problems with delivery were not of their own doing, however the detail that is either missing or does not suit the particular era that the loco portrays is not going to make the model a real seller though because it will bug you if your locomotive has something out of era on it. So you will eventually remove it or alter it or whatever, so in saying that you might as well convert the American version in the first place really and put on or remove whatever you need to.

I would like to get a 40 class though even after saying the above as out of era for me no one here would really know! A bit more research though would not have gone astray on these locomotives and made what hopefully is a good loco an excellent loco.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I am not tearing a strip off of Eureka here as most of the problems with delivery were not of their own doing, however the detail that is either missing or does not suit the particular era that the loco portrays is not going to make the model a real seller though because it will bug you if your locomotive has something out of era on it. So you will eventually remove it or alter it or whatever, so in saying that you might as well convert the American version in the first place really and put on or remove whatever you need to.

I would like to get a 40 class though even after saying the above as out of era for me no one here would really know! A bit more research though would not have gone astray on these locomotives and made what hopefully is a good loco an excellent loco.
David Peters
David

When samples arrived years ago from the old SDK factory they all looked right, the biggest area of change is primarily in the area of the louvres on the doors and the top cut in air shutters, in front of the exhaust stack.  Looking through various books and while I have not got the green diesel book that deals with the 40 & 41, I would suggest the top roof shutters arrangements were the first go go.  I cannot be sure that is the case though, maybe M 636C can give insight into that. The other noticeable change is the exhaust stack direction of mounting.

Going from there, there were also changes to the amount of louvres on the side doors, and in this area there's a bit of a dogs breakfast in regard to how many were blanked off as well as doubling of them on the 4th door from the cab.  In photo's I have seen taken at Enfield both green 40cl have different door louvre arrangements.

What I am suspecting is that something happened to the original SDK toolings and Eureka has had to start afresh, if that's the case then extra costs may well have been incured making it almost cost prohibitive to do a full new set to cover at least 3 variations. Thus the question is regarding cost of 3 full bodies or perhaps a cut out body that has the roof line grille area as a swap in and out, the same goes with the side doors, especially doors 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9.

They later also had the original Pyle marker lights changed to standard NSWGR types, progressively from late 60's more so as they also lost the green colour scheme.
  Starks Locomotive Fireman

Not sure this is them, but found this after a bit of Googling.

I recall visiting this thread many years ago when considering buying an HO 38 class.

https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/Eureka-Models-Pty-Ltd-109195655/0b6182fc-9c2c-41d2-99ea-d87bdb3744ac
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Not sure this is them, but found this after a bit of Googling.

I recall visiting this thread many years ago when considering buying an HO 38 class.

https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/Eureka-Models-Pty-Ltd-109195655/0b6182fc-9c2c-41d2-99ea-d87bdb3744ac
Starks
If you search the ASIC Connect Registers, you'll find both a Eureka Models Pty. Ltd and Eureka Model Railways Pty. Ltd. listed as current, so clearly the above did not happen. Both are located in Sans Souci, NSW. The latter was registered May last year.
  Starks Locomotive Fireman

Cool.

Reading between the lines and based on the feedback in the thread, it appears cash flow is one of the main problem for the business, which would also contribute to the delays.

Can't imagine what he is doing is cheap.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Not sure this is them, but found this after a bit of Googling.

I recall visiting this thread many years ago when considering buying an HO 38 class.

https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/Eureka-Models-Pty-Ltd-109195655/0b6182fc-9c2c-41d2-99ea-d87bdb3744ac
Starks
It is old and irrelevant. Someone was disgruntled and tried to have Eureka shut down, ASIC and court records confirm the company was and still is trading legally.  The Australia legal system allows anyone to lodge such an application, if I was bored I (or you) could lodge one right now to have our favourite bank deregistered and said bank would be required to front up to the court to justify why my (or your) application was a waste of everyones time.
  Starks Locomotive Fireman

Not sure this is them, but found this after a bit of Googling.

I recall visiting this thread many years ago when considering buying an HO 38 class.

https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/Eureka-Models-Pty-Ltd-109195655/0b6182fc-9c2c-41d2-99ea-d87bdb3744ac
It is old and irrelevant. Someone was disgruntled and tried to have Eureka shut down, ASIC and court records confirm the company was and still is trading legally.  The Australia legal system allows anyone to lodge such an application, if I was bored I (or you) could lodge one right now to have our favourite bank deregistered and said bank would be required to front up to the court to justify why my (or your) application was a waste of everyones time.
Poath Junction
I actually didn't know that. Thanks for teaching me something new Smile

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