Pedestrians hit, gunshots heard in Melbourne CBD

 

News article: Pedestrians hit, gunshots heard in Melbourne CBD

Shots have reportedly been fired and pedestrians have been run down during a police chase in Bourke Street in the middle of Melbourne's CBD.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Walked past around 2.30pm and was complete chaos in the Bourke Street Mall.

Pedestrians hit, gunshots heard in Melbourne CBD

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Baby thrown from pram by car

Sky News reports that one witness called Joanna who was too distraught to speak on camera said she saw a vehicle travelling an estimated 80 kilometres on the footpath when it collected a mother and a pram and pram.
She said the baby was thrown from the pram and it lay on the footpath "for a little while" before a police officer came to collect it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
THREE people are dead and 20 injured in Melbourne’s CBD amid reports of shots fired and a police car chase in Bourke St.

Pedestrians are being treated by paramedics after the incident at Bourke Street Mall where bystanders were hit by a car being driven erratically.
The incident was related to an earlier stabbing earlier on Friday and was not terror-related, Acting Victoria Police Commander Stuart Bateson told reporters.
“There is no ongoing threat to the public — we have the offender in custody.”
The driver was dragged from the crashed car by heavily armed police and handcuffed. He had earlier been seen “screaming out the window” and doing burn outs near Flinders Station.
“What I can confirm is a male deliberately drove into pedestrians. We can confirm there are three deceased and at least 20 injured. We believe it was connected to an earlier stabbing [in Windsor on the outskirts of the CBD.]
He said people should stay away from the city. “ Our priority at the moment is with the injured.”
In extraordinary and terrifying scenes, people ran for their lives as the car sped towards them. As many as four children are among the injured.
Ambulance and hospital staff are being called back into work as the city was on a “code red”, with residents warned not to approach the CBD.
A Twitter user has shared unverified CCTV footage from inside a store of pedestrians fleeing as a car runs them down.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDE5fjXeNPk
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Scary stuff indeed, my condolences to the victims Sad , makes you wonder, dosen't it!

Kind Regards
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Video also available at https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1068

Crazy comment by a user on youtube:

I live in texas and if i saw some faggot pig smeg doing this i would pull out my gun and shoot the smegheads. U Kangaroo smeg need to stop trying to be like the brits and be like Americans.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

Video also available at https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1068

Crazy comment by a user on youtube:

I live in texas and if i saw some faggot pig smeg doing this i would pull out my gun and shoot the smegheads. U Kangaroo smeg need to stop trying to be like the brits and be like Americans.
bevans
Your Typical american then

Amazing how fast before any facts were known that the ABC and idiots on Face book Started reporting/posting racist Things
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Turns out the fellow is well known to the police, for having severe Mental Health Issues, and doing drugs etc etc.. and also having a history of violence
Kind Regards
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Just shocking. Senseless
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Condolences to the victims' families. Such a terrible tragedy today. I hope that justice will help give you closure.

Kudos to all the emergency services involved. You saved all you could. You did your best.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Justice - that will be the day. Sad

Don't worry, the do-gooder lawyers are on the way....
  allan Chief Commissioner

Turns out the fellow is well known to the police, for having severe Mental Health Issues, and doing drugs etc etc.. and also having a history of violence
lsrailfan
Mental Health Issues. Too hard. When he/she breaks we'll lock them up for life: that'll fix it. Until the next one comes along...

I know that mental health is not an attractive field, but the current Ice epidemic is generating an awful lot of folk that any civilised court of law will find to be of "impared responsibility". And while I'm not optimistic that all dangerous folk can be identified before an event, underfunding of mental health research, or even treatment, cannot advance the cause.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Turns out the fellow is well known to the police, for having severe Mental Health Issues, and doing drugs etc etc.. and also having a history of violence
Mental Health Issues. Too hard. When he/she breaks we'll lock them up for life: that'll fix it. Until the next one comes along...

I know that mental health is not an attractive field, but the current Ice epidemic is generating an awful lot of folk that any civilised court of law will find to be of "impared responsibility". And while I'm not optimistic that all dangerous folk can be identified before an event, underfunding of mental health research, or even treatment, cannot advance the cause.As
allan
As I have said before there's very little support for anyone with a mental illness, there's almost no one you can talk to that does not have serious strings attached, Society could not care less, so we are always going to get someone who can no longer stand the pain and either lash's out or takes the own life.

woodford
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
There are similarities to Adrian Bayley, who killed Jill Meagher while on bail.  According to today's Age, the perp was charged at the weekend with another offence but was not kept in custody.  He was also out on bail, and was considered dangerous and erratic.  He had a history of family violence, and had stabbed his brother the previous Friday.
  BigTrain2015 Junior Train Controller

Shocking
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There are similarities to Adrian Bayley, who killed Jill Meagher while on bail.  According to today's Age, the perp was charged at the weekend with another offence but was not kept in custody.  He was also out on bail, and was considered dangerous and erratic.  He had a history of family violence, and had stabbed his brother the previous Friday.
Lad_Porter
The law is an a ss and government is unable or unwilling to do anything about it. Meanwhile the arrogance/silence/lack of responsibility of the judiciary for anything is mind boggling.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

There are similarities to Adrian Bayley, who killed Jill Meagher while on bail.  According to today's Age, the perp was charged at the weekend with another offence but was not kept in custody.  He was also out on bail, and was considered dangerous and erratic.  He had a history of family violence, and had stabbed his brother the previous Friday.
The law is an a ss and government is unable or unwilling to do anything about it. Meanwhile the arrogance/silence/lack of responsibility of the judiciary for anything is mind boggling.
YM-Mundrabilla
Its a real tragedy from all angles, but the judiciary can only act on the law as its is writen down, they CANNOT make it up as they go along. We live in a free society not a police state this allows most people great freedoms which are allowed by the law. If everyone who committed any kind of violent act was put "inside" a good percentage of the population would be in custody. This one of the prices of freedom.

As I stated there is VERY little support for anyone having difficulties, as long as this situation exists and I CANNOT see it changing anytime soon we will suffer such incidents. Luckily in Australia there is great difficulty in obtaining fire arms so this does limit the situation greatly.

I do not know how many will understand this next point, this sort of thing REALLY burns me up as in order to save tax revinue so we all can have lower taxes the government has almost no systems or help in place to help anyone in great mental difficulties, so in the end we are all in some way responsible for such violence.

I find it interesting that someone disagrees with me about this lack of help.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

One thing I will say is that the police have helped many people who are decending into violence to et onto the right track, but there power is limited as is correct in a free society and there is also as I have already stated very limited support services around they can turn to.
Many returned serviceman suffering from stress disoders have been help by police when they have commited small acts of violence, the reason for this high sucess rate, is the returned servies ascociations under stand the mental disorder and they have the support of the Vietnam veterans Councilling service, that was specficly setup to help these people.Sadly nothing like this is availible for the general population.

I find this a diffiuclt subject it discuss so I have not reread these posts, so please excuse any mistakes.

woodfrd
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I agree with Woodford that the judiciary cannot make up laws but they could, at least, apply the penalties that do exist in legislation.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Seeing as there's little doubt to who has shattered so many lives I feel safe in saying that my regret is that at my age now, I will not be here to hear of this 'persons' death in prison after serving I hope is a very very long time of imprisonment or if he's adjudged not to be responsible for his actions, that he died where he could do no more harm to others.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Seeing as there's little doubt to who has shattered so many lives I feel safe in saying that my regret is that at my age now, I will not be here to hear of this 'persons' death in prison after serving I hope is a very very long time of imprisonment or if he's adjudged not to be responsible for his actions, that he died where he could do no more harm to others.
gordon_s1942
Your post leads me to ask another question, will he go to Jail for life, or be committed to a insane asslyum, I have seen some of his twitter posts that were put up on Facebook, talk about being a nutter!!
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Bet you he gets 15-20, with parole in 10-12. Some would consider this harsh.

But what I really want to know, is should the Bail Justice that released him (against the wishes of police mind you Shocked) RESIGN, or be forced to resign???  If this isn't an example of OOPS - wrong move, then i don't know what is??

Interestingly, in the Hun yesterday, Detective Snr Sgt Iddles (the Police Union Rep) was commenting on what is required to be a Bail Justice. IIRC, complete an application, pass a knowledge based assessment, and if it gets past the Attorney General - you're in. He also made comment on their lack of understanding some aspects of the bail laws. He also said something about having on call magistrates. Would this be an improvement??

A really avoidable incident it would seem.
Hopefully this doesn't become our version of US gun control laws where we have an incident, the authorities say they'll look into it - and SFA happens. Speaking of the US, obviously police procedures didn't allow for the offenders vehicle to have been rammed at the intersection? Based on the footage Bevans put up, even if the offenders car had smashed into other stopped vehicles at the intersection, we'd most likely be looking at a different result of injuries to pedestrians.

Regards
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Speaking of the US, obviously police procedures didn't allow for the offenders vehicle to have been rammed at the intersection? Based on the footage Bevans put up, even if the offenders car had smashed into other stopped vehicles at the intersection, we'd most likely be looking at a different result of injuries to pedestrians.
davesvline
Sorry its not like the movies or world's best police videos etc. The PIT manoeuvre would not have been done there as you also see in the video the number of members of the public watching him. If the police attempted to ram him there he would most likely have driven into some people. Could you imagine the outrage by everyone if someone was injured or killed, because the police initiated it. It was not a safe location to attempt this.

If you watch the PIT manoeuvres the majority are done as the cars are driving along a road, usually a freeway.

Don't use 20-20 hindsight. There will be a many inquiries and judicial reviews about this and the questions and answers will be put to those are responsible for our public safety including the management of him. Sadly for whatever reasons, this individual decided to do this.

Of course everyone should feel outraged, but it is not for us to say what should have been done. Those making those decisions will be held accountable and we will see if they did make the right calls or not. We have to remember that we place many constraints on the police with car chases due to deaths caused by the police car chases. I feel for them.

Let's wait and see the outcomes.

My condolences to those that have been tragically touched by this.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
Any judge (Including a bail justice) can only work within the laws and evidence presented to them. The fact that the police opposed bail but it was granted implies that the evidence to keep him in custody wasn't strong enough. Either he was well-represented or the police's evidence was not strong enough to hold him.

I don't blame either the judge nor the police for this.  Nobody could have predicted in advance that he was going to allegedly perform these crimes or the evidence would have been strong enough to remand him. They can only work with evidence presented to them and the appropriate laws governing the area

I say allegedly as under Australian law you are presumed innocent until proven guilty and it is up to the prosecution to establish the guilt 'beyond reasonable doubt".  In some other countries the responsibility is on you to prove your innocence (Indonesia is one of these).  In Australia to pronounce someone guilty before the court has decided can lead to charges of 'contempt of court' or 'perverting the course of justice" which may not only get you in front of a judge but cause the case concerned to be thrown out due to 'tainted evidence' or 'the inability to get a fair trial' in which case the offender walks free with no conviction recorded

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