Latest Roundhouse seems to have positive news about repair of 3801's boiler (tab 3819).Make sure that you don't tell anyone what that news is.
One of the quickest ways of torpedoing a project is to be secretive about it, most people will correctly get suspicious and give no help or funds towards said project. Now I have nothing against NSW or the 38 class just saying how the world really works.If you want to know what the news is join RTM and read Roundhouse.Latest Roundhouse seems to have positive news about repair of 3801's boiler (tab 3819).Make sure that you don't tell anyone what that news is.
If you want to know what the news is join RTM and read Roundhouse.In your haste to condemn, has it occurred to you that he may (a) live in another State; (b) be fairly heavily committed already; (c) enjoy sharing knowledge ?
The new term 'fake news' comes to mind.It isn't just on the forum...
Why is it that so many here seem to be so paranoid and secretive about 3801 especially as so much of the boiler 'restoration' is publically funded by the taxpayer?
Are we repairing a locomotive boiler or a top secret guided missile?Given the unfortunate recent history of 38 class boilers and the Goulburn firm's obvious feeling that their practices amount to valuable intellectual property the secrecy is understandable, although in my opinion unnecessary.
"The only other reason could be that they want no evidence to exist in case a mistake is made"Are we repairing a locomotive boiler or a top secret guided missile?Given the unfortunate recent history of 38 class boilers and the Goulburn firm's obvious feeling that their practices amount to valuable intellectual property the secrecy is understandable, although in my opinion unnecessary.
For some reason powers that be seem to have a paranoid fear of the photograph, that in that image is all the knowledge from what brand of toilet paper they use to the finest detail of knowledge needed to convert a riveted boiler into a welded one. The only other reason could be that they want no evidence to exist in case a mistake is made, but I'm sure this could not be the case?
Reading preceding posts the design of 38 class boilers came from the NSWGR's design office. Back then the NSWGR were a pre-eminent authority on mechanical engineering and loco boilers in particular. They had their own Standards and methods which later Standards embodied. It is possible that a boiler designed today to meet all the relevant Standards now in force might include details that are to a lesser quality than those on the original boiler.
I think the attitude we should take is that having the locomotives back in service is the main goal, and those making this possible are to be encouraged and applauded, the issue of secrecy, annoying as it is, is a minor matter.
My understanding is that the secrecy was imposed on the boiler repairer by the contract and not requested by them.Are we repairing a locomotive boiler or a top secret guided missile?Given the unfortunate recent history of 38 class boilers and the Goulburn firm's obvious feeling that their practices amount to valuable intellectual property the secrecy is understandable, although in my opinion unnecessary.
For some reason powers that be seem to have a paranoid fear of the photograph, that in that image is all the knowledge from what brand of toilet paper they use to the finest detail of knowledge needed to convert a riveted boiler into a welded one. The only other reason could be that they want no evidence to exist in case a mistake is made, but I'm sure this could not be the case?
Reading preceding posts the design of 38 class boilers came from the NSWGR's design office. Back then the NSWGR were a pre-eminent authority on mechanical engineering and loco boilers in particular. They had their own Standards and methods which later Standards embodied. It is possible that a boiler designed today to meet all the relevant Standards now in force might include details that are to a lesser quality than those on the original boiler.
I think the attitude we should take is that having the locomotives back in service is the main goal, and those making this possible are to be encouraged and applauded, the issue of secrecy, annoying as it is, is a minor matter.
The new term 'fake news' comes to mind.It isn't just on the forum...
Why is it that so many here seem to be so paranoid and secretive about 3801 especially as so much of the boiler 'restoration' is publically funded by the taxpayer?
The boiler is being repaired in Goulburn.
I'm assured by Leon Oberg, who lives not far from the workshop concerned, that the repair contract places a ban on the publication of any information and particularly any photographs during the actual repair work. Leon has taken photos of the boiler arriving and outside the workshop, but even if he can see and or photograph progress from public property, he should not publish this.
This is sounding a bit like the book "1984" (or dare I say it, the Trump Administration...)
Peter
So ALL the photos of the Inner firebox being removed in the workshops yard at Goulburn that were published by THNSW and shown across many Facebook groups do not exist then
Your very misinformed my friend. The overhaul team is made up of the most competent people still alive, i can assure you it is in good hands and the evidence certainly does exist, its simply not public knowledge. The secrecy is necessary in order to help control rumors and the Chinese whispers and negativity from many people who believe they are entitled to know the ins and outs of a sheep's bum that flood the rail heritage industry.That the job is in good hands I do not doubt for one moment - this company has an excellent reputation.
Your very misinformed my friend. The overhaul team is made up of the most competent people still alive, i can assure you it is in good hands and the evidence certainly does exist, its simply not public knowledge. The secrecy is necessary in order to help control rumors and the Chinese whispers and negativity from many people who believe they are entitled to know the ins and outs of a sheep's bum that flood the rail heritage industry.That the job is in good hands I do not doubt for one moment - this company has an excellent reputation.
However, on the subject of rumours, I believe that the case is completely the opposite to what you say. Rumours begin simply because people don't know what's happening. I don't want to know the ins and outs; I will wait until the job's finished because I have no choice. However, (a) there's a lot of public money involved; (b) good public relations would put out a short bulletin every so often to keep interested people informed, so helping to quell rumours.
True in many ways about the armchair experts and the volunteer morale.The reports in Roundhouse are written by the Project Manager of the restoration - Craig Mackey. They provide very full technical detail of what is being done, how this relates to NSWGR practice and what is being done.
Some of us, however, are interested in the 'engineering' and technical aspects of the project rather than just the spin and the self-serving drivel dished out by illiterate morons in government for the 'edification' of the idiots they perceive the population at large to be.
No one seems to provide detailed information/description/write-ups (whatever these days). Is this because they are scared some shonky lawyer will get hold of it and twist it into something that it is not and was never intended to be.
Your very misinformed my friend. The overhaul team is made up of the most competent people still alive, i can assure you it is in good hands and the evidence certainly does exist, its simply not public knowledge. The secrecy is necessary in order to help control rumors and the Chinese whispers and negativity from many people who believe they are entitled to know the ins and outs of a sheep's bum that flood the rail heritage industry.That the job is in good hands I do not doubt for one moment - this company has an excellent reputation.
However, on the subject of rumours, I believe that the case is completely the opposite to what you say. Rumours begin simply because people don't know what's happening. I don't want to know the ins and outs; I will wait until the job's finished because I have no choice. However, (a) there's a lot of public money involved; (b) good public relations would put out a short bulletin every so often to keep interested people informed, so helping to quell rumours.
A report 10 years in the making...True in many ways about the armchair experts and the volunteer morale.The reports in Roundhouse are written by the Project Manager of the restoration - Craig Mackey. They provide very full technical detail of what is being done, how this relates to NSWGR practice and what is being done.
Some of us, however, are interested in the 'engineering' and technical aspects of the project rather than just the spin and the self-serving drivel dished out by illiterate morons in government for the 'edification' of the idiots they perceive the population at large to be.
No one seems to provide detailed information/description/write-ups (whatever these days). Is this because they are scared some shonky lawyer will get hold of it and twist it into something that it is not and was never intended to be.
They are hardly self serving drivel. There are photos showing a great deal of the work on the boiler including removal of the inner firebox. A very full and detailed report, welll worth the read.
Craig W
M636C wrote; I'm assured by Leon Oberg, who lives not far from the workshop concerned, that the repair contract places a ban on the publication of any information and particularly any photographs during the actual repair work.
Petan asks; Did Leon Oberg say if the photo ban come with the contract from the government, ie the government placed the photo ban in the contract or was the photo ban at the request of the Goulburn repair company?
The following is public knowledge already
https://www.transportheritagensw.com.au/single-post/2016/10/24/Firebox-gets-removed-from-locomotive-3801
For all of us on the outside to demand to know more is simply being a hindrance to the project, and creating rumors instead of waiting to hear the facts is damaging to the workers that are fighting hard for the outcome we all want to see.You and I agree on this point - nobody has the right to demand anything. I used to be the secretary of a preservation group, and the number of armchair experts and their demands was amazing. Some told me straight that they were "entitled to know." How they reached that conclusion escapes me.
If people are so insistent on knowing whats going on, why not approach THNSW and request to volunteer on the project?Difficult if you're a Mexican as I am.
Actually no.A report 10 years in the making...
All, I certainly want the loco back in service, don't get me wrong.
But they are using public money and it deserves to be probed.
While Mr LO has been a railfan and local jurno for years, that doesn't mean his assurances are fact. Without the written evidence it is just hearsay.
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