Where is it (Sydney)

 
  franfran Assistant Commissioner

Location: in a Castle in the Hills
Size isn't everything though....

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  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
a tram left CBD Sydney,hit the Cross ,past where rush was taken,past rose gardens,and flying boats ,Doyles waved at  pax  but not stopped there ,then through a cutting of sandstone  ,stopped near Navy boys.
where was this and what is the  tram class?
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Let's say a toastrack (O class) and Vaucluse.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
wurx on the correct line,its the Pyrmont to Watsons Bay/ Military Rd Terminus.
The regulars had the R1 class.(photo Destination Circular Key,1967 book p6)
I would like to find the zig-zag reserve track  from the lighthouse down to the Bay village;can it been noted on Google Earth.
In the late 40s travelled in a R class from the Central  colonnade upper tram deck to Watsons Bay ,Army special.
I always thought the Watsons service was the top scenic run in Sydney.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
wurx on the correct line,its the Pyrmont to Watsons Bay/ Military Rd Terminus.
The regulars had the R1 class.(photo Destination Circular Key,1967 book p6)
I would like to find the zig-zag reserve track from the lighthouse down to the Bay village;can it been noted on Google Earth.
In the late 40s travelled in a R class from the Central colonnade upper tram deck to Watsons Bay ,Army special.
I always thought the Watsons service was the top scenic run in Sydney.

Correction its Circular Quay,
jayrail
  Fred Scuttle Junior Train Controller

Location: Point Clare, NSW
"jayrail"

Actually, jayrail,  the city terminus of the Watson's Bay line was (until December 1950) Erskine Street Wharf, and after that, Queen's Square, rather than Circular Quay. In 1934, connecting curves were installed at the intersection of the King Street (i.e; Watson's Bay), and George Street (Inner West, or "Red") lines, so as to allow access to and from Fort Macquarie Depot, which along with Rushcutter's Bay Depot, housed the initial allocations of R Class cars. Thus, cars could proceed to and from the Watson's Bay line to the Circular Quay area - it's just that they would not have been carrying passengers. Once the pre-war tranche of R1 Cars (R1's 1933-1987), were delivered, all were allocated to Rushcutter's Bay.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
That's interesting Fred that George St transfer  for cars from the Macquarie depot to Rushcutters.
I knew the CBD terminus was Erskine st wharf, caught the tram at George St crossing after a Wynyard transfer, short walk.
I see that the new 2014  George St trams proposal not likely a goer.
  TomBTR Chief Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
I see that the new 2014 George St trams proposal not likely a goer.
jayrail

More likely than Newcastle, I reckon!
  Fred Scuttle Junior Train Controller

Location: Point Clare, NSW
I see that the new 2014  George St trams proposal not likely a goer.
"jayrail"


Well, one of the bidders has pulled out, leaving two others still in the running. From what I've read, one of the companies involved in this consortium is experiencing financial difficulties. The principal concern with George Street itself is the relocation of utilities beneath the roadway before construction can begin. Two of the big players in this field, namely Telstra (phone lines) and AGL (gas mains) have displayed a marked reluctance to do anything in this direction. That's not to say that they won't relocate phone cables and gas pipes - they just don't want to pay for it.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
I was going to nominate the R class but dismissed that as being too obvious.

There is a coffee-table style book by David somebody (his surname escapes me); IIRC it has a pic of a tram traversing this area near Watson's Bay. It was somewhere that hasn't since become a road.
  Fred Scuttle Junior Train Controller

Location: Point Clare, NSW
Wurx, the book is "The Watson's Bay Line" by David Keenan. There is also "Wait Here For Trams", a collection of photos of Sydney trams in the 1950's, published by the Sydney Tramway Museum in the early seventies. Pages 38 to 41 showed photos of trams descending to Watson's Bay terminus through Gap Park. David Keenan's book is available from the ARHS bookshop, while the ARHS research library would probably have a copy of the second book - it's been long out of print.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Fred, the book I was thinking of (and which is currently submerged here, so I can't go grab it & verify) wasn't that one; it was a more general all-about-Sydney-trams book, but it was also by David Keenan.

Thanks anyway for the info Smile
  Fred Scuttle Junior Train Controller

Location: Point Clare, NSW
That'd be "Tramways Of Sydney", the first in David Keenan's series of books on Sydney's tramway system. It gave a system-wide overview, and was followed up by several other books by Keenan, each of which looked at a particular sector of the network.
  edison Chief Commissioner

Someone in the above postings mentioned that trams transferring between the Watsons Bay line and the George St line  at the King St/George St intersection would not have been carrying passengers. Doubt on this score is raised by the fact that the side desto rolls for Watsons Bay cars had "Fort Macquarie Depot" on them (the only time Fort Mac was referred to as a depot) so it could be assumed that they would have been carrying passengers, otherwise they would have shown "Special". This is verified from one such roll in my possession.
  Fred Scuttle Junior Train Controller

Location: Point Clare, NSW
Someone in the above postings mentioned that trams transferring between the Watsons Bay line and the George St line  at the King St/George St intersection would not have been carrying passengers. Doubt on this score is raised by the fact that the side desto rolls for Watsons Bay cars had "Fort Macquarie Depot" on them (the only time Fort Mac was referred to as a depot) so it could be assumed that they would have been carrying passengers, otherwise they would have shown "Special". This is verified from one such roll in my possession.
edison
Edison, I've just had a look at an Eastern Suburbs side destination roll which I've had for some years, and while it shows "Waverley Depot" and "Dowling St. Depot", Fort Macquarie is shown as "Fort Macquarie". Now, I realise that this doesn't prove anything one way or the other, so I'll have do a bit more digging. I dare say that passengers were carried on depot runs in Sydney, but - possibly - not all the way to the depot. For example, trams proceeding to Dowling Street Depot by way of Anzac Parade or Alison Road displayed "Kensington" in their end destination boxes. Passengers would alight at Kensington Junction, and the tram would then proceed empty to the depot by way of Dacey Avenue. Similarly, trams proceeding to Rozelle Depot would discharge their passengers at Epping Junction (where the Lilyfield and Balmain Lines diverged). At other depots (e.g; Waverley, Ruschcutter's Bay, North Sydney) passengers would alight from the tram outside the depot.

As I said, I'll go through my various Sydney tramway books, and see what I can come up with. I do recall, however, a picture in Trams Down Under, showing an R class car turning from King Street to George Street. Unfortunately, I can't recall what was on the front desto.
  Fred Scuttle Junior Train Controller

Location: Point Clare, NSW
I just had a quick look on Trams Down Under, and BINGO - the picture I was after. R1 1934 (second car of the class, being one of the five R's converted to prototype R1's while still on the production line at Clyde) is seen turning from King Street to George Street, displaying "George St. and Ft. Macquarie". On this basis, it would seem that you're correct - passengers were carried on these particular depot runs. I'll see what further details I can find. The picture is at http://tdu.to/53042.att.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
R1934 looks like yesterday Fred ,good posts of yours.

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