Channel 10 about to go bust?

 
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Apart from being a rubbish TV station with crap programs, how much of its problem is due to greed with an ever increasing number of commercials which have now reached the situation where the programs now interrupt the adverts.

This situation is by no means unique to Channel 10 which, to me, is merely an extension of the problems that the print media faces with declining viewer numbers at least partly due to the number of adverts.

Channels 7, 9 and Foxtel are no better advertwise it may just be that they have marginally 'better' programs (perbloodyhaps). How Foxtel can charge what it does to watch commercials eludes me.

In summary they are all rubbish and the ABC is little if any better program.
YM-Mundrabilla
Rubbish. The ABC and SBS are far superior to any of the commercial networks and you do not actually need Foxtel etc to view most of the content they offer.

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Channel 10 has being trying to run its operation on the cheap with cheap reality shows and it has just not worked.
nswtrains
It ain't just 10, the other commercial station have their cheap reality shows.
To be honest in the current climate 7 and 9 wouldn't have a brilliant balance sheet either.

Like the print media, the internet is starting to kill off the TV networks too
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

One of the biggest problems for Ten is their multichannel One, which is watched by pretty well nobody. The administrators should replace it with a copy of the main channel timeshifted back by one hour, giving better value for the money spent on the primetime programming and cutting the costs for all the programming and movies that nobody watches.

The same applies to 7mate, which could disappear with only a few programmes being good enough to need space in the 7 or 7TWO schedule. I don't have a clue about whatever Nine is showing on their multichannels, but the same probably applies to them too.

Channel 10 has being trying to run its operation on the cheap with cheap reality shows and it has just not worked. I don't believe Channel 10 was commercially viable from the start. With our low population and competition from the internet a third commercial network is just not required.
nswtrains
It's quite a while since Ten has been showing a cheap reality show.

All of their current reality programs are incredibly expensive international franchises (Masterchef, Family Feud, I'm a Celebrity, The Biggest Loser, Have You Been Paying Attention, The Bachelor/Bachelorette, Shark Tank) which require Ten to pay large sums for the rights before they even start working on a single episode. Once you fill in a large portion of the non-franchise part of primetime with expensive CBS/Fox content, the only original primetime programme they have is The Project.

Apart from being a rubbish TV station with crap programs, how much of its problem is due to greed with an ever increasing number of commercials which have now reached the situation where the programs now interrupt the adverts.
YM-Mundrabilla
Commercial break length has been capped at the same amount (18 minutes per hour, 5 minutes for SBS) for quite a good number of years now.

What viewers really hate is the increased intrusion of on-screen commercials during the programme and blatant cross-promotions. Do we really believe that Gilly and Punter love I'm A Celebrity that much?

Ha Ha, channel 10 have helped destroy motor racing with their foxtel deal. Now the company who has majority shareholders in the "Supercars" tried and failed to sell it. And now channel 10 who are the official Freet to air broadcaster ( of very little motor racing) are in trouble too.
dthead
V8 Supercars was dying even before the Ten/Foxtel deal.

There are too many major problems outside the TV deal - crowds have been dropping steadily for years, the grid is smaller every year, the government-subsidised street races are disappearing (still no Clipsal replacement sponsor for Adelaide), the clifftop is approaching with the end of the local industry and the series is way too expensive for teams to run.

Supercars needs to reinvent itself completely or it will be dead by 2020. Replace it with international standard GT3 cars (cheaper, faster and not reliant on the local industry) and allow cars meeting the current V8SC formula to run as a lower class for a couple of years before replacing them with something else as the second class (GT4, LMP3, simple space frame cars).

Given the Foxtel ownership stake in Ten, an immediate option for Supercars broadcasts might be for Ten to show all the races on delay - except for Bathurst, which is on the anti-siphoning list and must be shown on FTA no earlier than it is on subscription TV. Ten could pay a nominal fee to Foxtel for the increased sub-licensing rights, which would be offset by the fact they'd be able to cancel some other programming for the slots filled by Supercars.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Suggest renumber Channel 10 as Channel 0.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Suggest renumber Channel 10 as Channel 0.
awsgc24
The old ATV-0 in Melbourne (pre-1980) had its advantages.  Being such a low frequency it could get over the Great Divide easier and many people in Bendigo had antennas that could receive it.  It was also more susceptible to electrical interference.

But many people today watch TV over the internet, not the airwaves these days.  Hence why channel 10 and others are soon to go the way of AM popular music radio stations.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
But many people today watch TV over the internet, not the airwaves these days.  Hence why channel 10 and others are soon to go the way of AM popular music radio stations.
Carnot
I think there will always be a market for TV and TV stations will always exist but they'll be a much smaller segment of the overall advertising market - as you say, like AM radio stations.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Channel 10's current situation has nothing to do with programing but CONTROL of the business itself.

Yesterday both Messes Murdock and Gordon declined to continue backing Channel 10 which they have done for some time and this I believe forced the Board to seek 'Voluntary Administration' but low and behold in today's Sydney telegraph is an item about Messes Murdock and Gordon seeking to get Channel 10 through this situation ????
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Channel 10's current situation has nothing to do with programing but CONTROL of the business itself.

Yesterday both Messes Murdock and Gordon declined to continue backing Channel 10 which they have done for some time and this I believe forced the Board to seek 'Voluntary Administration' but low and behold in today's Sydney telegraph is an item about Messes Murdock and Gordon seeking to get Channel 10 through this situation ????
gordon_s1942
I seem to recall that Murdoch Senior expressed an interest in Channel 10 if it ever became available.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
For the sake of the staff, I hope it keeps operating.
From the point of view of programs, I wouldn't miss it one little bit.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I seem to recall that Murdoch Senior expressed an interest in Channel 10 if it ever became available.
nswtrains
That was years ago, not sure if he would still be interested in owning a TV license now... same with controlling Fairfax, no longer as important as it used to be.

Although it's surprising how much interest he continues to take in little ole' Oz given he hasn't lived here in 60 years.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Of course not all people like all of TENs programming, but the great thing about having five networks (with around 15 proper free-to-air channels) is that with so much TV diversity, there will be something on TV that appeals to everyone, even the most fussy viewers.

Now if the equal third rating TV network (TEN) goes under, that leads to less diversity. and it provides a precedent to let other TV stations die. SBS was created in 1979 to mainly provide ethnic language viewing, but the ethnics now have their own dedicated pay TV stations and they view their soccer elsewhere too. So with very low viewership and it's original specialised viewership abandoning it, perhaps there is less reason to justify huge taxpayer subsidies for SBS to provide programmes that mostly appeal to cashed up Anglo-Saxon audiences in the inner cities? Now I'm not advocating killing SBS, but if we allow TEN to die, then perhaps penny-pinchers will have a better argument to shut down another network?

I'm also NOT suggesting taxpayer subsidies to Network 10 (two government funded TV networks is enough), but I am suggesting that the federal government lowers the licence fee (and perhaps makes it a percentage of a TV stations profits?) and loosening up the programming requirements and/or ownership restrictions.

Allowing TEN to go broke, just because it can't pay huge licencing fees that are a hangover from the olden days when TV stations were licences to print money is dumb. Heck some days I watch more YouTube than I watch TV, but YouTube is notorious for paying almost nothing to the Australian government, certainly not the high fees that TEN has to pay. Likewise, imposing archaic ownership restrictions is a hangover from last century. The world has changed and media regulations should change with it.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I'm also NOT suggesting taxpayer subsidies to Network 10 (two government funded TV networks is enough), but I am suggesting that the federal government lowers the licence fee (and perhaps makes it a percentage of a TV stations profits?) and loosening up the programming requirements and/or ownership restrictions.
"Bogong"
Spectrum licensing fees are about to be reduced, but they were not the problem anyway.

I would not be against further rebates (a rebate is a subsidy by another name, of course) on the spectrum fees being made available to the networks, subject to the recipient network demonstrating that they are providing a public service. They could meet this criteria by withdrawing ads for alcohol and fast food during family viewing hours, or increasing the proportion of their sporting coverage going to women's/mixed events, or guaranteeing locally produced news coverage including covering the neutral moderated debates in all state elections.

But if they aren't willing to contribute something in return for that rebate/subsidy, then the rebate/subsidy shouldn't be offered just to help them piss away more money on their failed business model of importing expensive CBS/Fox shows from the USA (which everyone has torrented already) and paying over the odds to flog dead horse franchises like The Biggest Loser (shifted from primetime to mid-mornings this year!) for years after their use by date.

Ten is not too big to fail, so the government can afford to adopt a hard-headed approach.


But we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Ten is still solvent, and it is quickly turning out that this manufactured crisis is just a good old fashioned media power grab so we should see them out of administration as soon as Murdoch and Gordon are done swinging the axe.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Ha Ha, channel 10 have helped destroy motor racing with their foxtel deal. Now the company who has majority shareholders in the "Supercars" tried and failed to sell it. And now channel 10 who are the official Freet to air broadcaster ( of very little motor racing) are in trouble too.
V8 Supercars was dying even before the Ten/Foxtel deal.

There are too many major problems outside the TV deal - crowds have been dropping steadily for years, the grid is smaller every year, the government-subsidised street races are disappearing (still no Clipsal replacement sponsor for Adelaide), the clifftop is approaching with the end of the local industry and the series is way too expensive for teams to run.

Supercars needs to reinvent itself completely or it will be dead by 2020. Replace it with international standard GT3 cars (cheaper, faster and not reliant on the local industry) and allow cars meeting the current V8SC formula to run as a lower class for a couple of years before replacing them with something else as the second class (GT4, LMP3, simple space frame cars).

Given the Foxtel ownership stake in Ten, an immediate option for Supercars broadcasts might be for Ten to show all the races on delay - except for Bathurst, which is on the anti-siphoning list and must be shown on FTA no earlier than it is on subscription TV. Ten could pay a nominal fee to Foxtel for the increased sub-licensing rights, which would be offset by the fact they'd be able to cancel some other programming for the slots filled by Supercars.
justapassenger


You have nailed the Motor racing very well.  If Channel 10 goes, who will perform the FTA part for Foxtel ? I would think they'l just use it as a excuse to keep it for themselves. I doubt other channels would pay for the dying series now.

Regards,
David Head
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I would guess that 7Mate would carry at least the Bathurst 1000 (protected under the anti-siphoning rules) in the very unlikely event that Ten does go down the drain. Nine would probably make a play for the Australian Grand Prix which is also protected.

7Mate carried the Bathurst 12 Hour earlier this year, curiously a race which is currently owned by Supercars. It was a far greater show than any edition of the 1000 since it went to the V8 formula in the mid 90's.

Other sporting rights deals in Australia of interest in recent times included:
- Super Netball going for FTA and internet rather than subscription.
- A-League soccer going from Fox/SBS to Fox/Ten, plans for the Ten games to be produced by Fox Sports rather than in-house like SBS were doing.
- Cricket looking at a big drop in the price of the next TV deal, but thankfully protected under the anti-siphoning rules.
- SBS denied the opportunity to purchase RCS Sport cycling rights (Giro d'Italia, Milan-San Remo, Giro di Lombardia) with Eurosport stitching up an exclusive deal for all non-European territories. The thrilling closing stages on Eurosport Australia managed to get just 6% of the viewers that last year's Giro had, when SBS even bumped the evening movie for more extensive coverage of the last couple of mountain stages.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Channel 10 will become an arm of Fox. This is all part of boardroom manoeuvres.  Uncle Rupert wants to re-enter the Australian Market.

Channel 10 stuffed up when it decided to abandoned the youth market (remember the Simpsons in prime time)that it held in the 90s and 2000s and took on 9 and 7 with news. It went into intensive care with that move. Now it realises it made that mistake, but sadly that demographic will never be reclaimed as it has moved to other media. Remember Paul Henry


The media laws will be amended. You cannot stand between a pollie and exposure on free to air and it is in there self interest to have 3 free to air commercial channels versus 2. They will give up their first born to ensure that 10 survive "somehow".

That 10 symbol will turn into a fox symbol. And the pollies will say what a great job we did to save local content and sing kumbaya.

BTW I don't undertand the hate about "the project". I don't like the Bolt report, antiques roadshow, Gardening Australia. I don't go onto every website to rant about it. I simply don't watch it. It seems to me that political parties with their paid social media droids are BS with flame on public commentary sites to try to convince the public that their is an issue, when in fact they are trying to create something that doesn't exist. Most Aussies BS radars are aware of this.

BTW I don't watch "the project" but I can't handle this BS blaming a single program about a TV network woes. Simply I don't give a dump about it.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

7Mate carried the Bathurst 12 Hour earlier this year, curiously a race which is currently owned by Supercars. It was a far greater show than any edition of the 1000 since it went to the V8 formula in the mid 90's.
justapassenger


This year Supercars were in charge of broadcast but the series still owned by another, Quinn ??? Supercars want that race for themselves, remember they scheduled a test weekend the same weekend preventing driver from participating.  the GT series has more revlance than the supercars even with the exotic cars used.


As to other  channels getting it, it also depends on the  authorities and money Foxtel will use. As for F1 again F1 will determine what they want done as well !!

Regards,
David Head

Ps source, speedcafe over the last 3 years......
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

We are talking about exactly the same thing. Supercars Events were indeed buying the race when they bought the management rights (not just the TV rights) because a motor race does not have any other assets to buy. That also made them responsible for attracting entrants, liaising with the global category manager SRO (they've done a very good job of that) and organising the logistics of the race weekend.

Tony Quinn's company doesn't have anything to do with running the 12 Hour as it was only a part of the Australian GT Championship once, back in 2013 when Creventic managed the race and the championship cars raced for just the first 55 minutes.

These days the 12 Hour counts towards the Intercontinental GT Challenge, a series of four endurance races owned by the Stéphane Ratel Organisation which is the FIA Category Manager for GT3/GT4 and also organiser of all the major series and showcase races.

With respect to what happens to the FTA rights to Supercars and F1, Foxtel do have a massive say in that as they are the sole rights holder to both series in Australia with it being their decision on if they sub-licence some/all of the events. It's essentially the reverse of how the AFL TV rights work with them being owned by Seven and sub-licenced to Foxtel. The presence of the Australian Grand Prix and Bathurst 1000 on the anti-siphoning list means it is firmly in the interests of Foxtel to sub-licence at least those races, since denying sub-licencing would result in those races being blacked out on Fox Sports.

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