Topic moved from General by dthead on 10 Oct 2016 21:40
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
You got part of your remark correct - "Educated people with an open mind read these forums".

But; you cannot seriously believe that our feedback says the project is viable. Our feedback is unanimous - you have no technical knowledge at all for such a scheme.

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  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Our feedback is unanimous
Valvegear

I would not call you a liar but Billy has been a great help refining Magtube to a viable proposition and even justapassenger has given me the opportunity to point out there is no emergency exit in a plane while it in the air.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Eddy; you are seriously deluded. What people have been pointing out to you is your complete lack of knowledge. We are criticising, not trying to help, because we all know you're wasting your time.
If you want to live in Fantasyland, it's at Disneyland  in Anaheim, Los Angeles.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

This Maglev conference in Russia may be interesting https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/15d904366f12c1bc

Would love to be able to afford it.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Why would you need to afford it? If they knew how wonderful magtube would be they would be flying you over there in first class and having you give a keynote address.

Maybe they just don't have your contact details? You should get in touch.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
This Maglev conference in Russia may be interesting https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/15d904366f12c1bc

Would love to be able to afford it.
eddyb
eddyb ......... is that a link to your email inbox??????

It won't work for anyone but you Rolling Eyes

Is this what you meant to link to? http://www.maglevboard.net/en/the-conferences/maglev-2018

It took me a whole 9.5 seconds to find it on google

I loved this bit tacked on the end "Once concrete information on the conference is available, it will be published on this website."

So they like you have no idea what's going to happen or not! Laughing
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Cheaper? Even your ridiculously low quote for construction, not including stations, not including building access to stations and not including rolling stock, is 35 billion. Airports and planes already exist. So you're starting several tens of billions of dollars behind the begin with. Safer? Have you got some statistics there to compare Maglev accidents with air transport? More reliable? One breakdown in your single tube will paralyze the whole system. You won't be able to bring in replacement magtubes from other elites, divert around the problem or use nearby magtube stations when there are problems. More comfortable? You want people sitting 5 across on bench seats, one meter apart, with no toilet or food facilities! You mentioned something else as an advantage as well but your point was probably just as ridiculous.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
If they knew how wonderful magtube would be they would be flying you over there in first class and having you give a keynote address.
"justapassenger"
That's a new idea. It's the first time anyone has suggested having a comedian giving a keynote address.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

This Maglev conference in Russia may be interesting https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/15d904366f12c1bc

Would love to be able to afford it.
eddyb ......... is that a link to your email inbox??????

It won't work for anyone but you Rolling Eyes

Is this what you meant to link to? http://www.maglevboard.net/en/the-conferences/maglev-2018

It took me a whole 9.5 seconds to find it on google

I loved this bit tacked on the end "Once concrete information on the conference is available, it will be published on this website."

So they like you have no idea what's going to happen or not! Laughing
Pressman
Yep,silly me but there was a bit more info on my invitation.

Thought there may be someone here who was interested in maglev but this is R A I L page
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Why would you need to afford it? If they knew how wonderful magtube would be they would be flying you over there in first class and having you give a keynote address.

Maybe they just don't have your contact details? You should get in touch.
justapassenger
These guys are only interested in Maglev and it will not be until they realise that the atmosphere will limit them to 500kph they will understand what most people have for a long time but still I think it would be very interesting.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Cheaper? Even your ridiculously low quote for construction, not including stations, not including building access to stations and not including rolling stock, is 35 billion. Airports and planes already exist. So you're starting several tens of billions of dollars behind the begin with. Safer? Have you got some statistics there to compare Maglev accidents with air transport? More reliable? One breakdown in your single tube will paralyze the whole system. You won't be able to bring in replacement magtubes from other elites, divert around the problem or use nearby magtube stations when there are problems. More comfortable? You want people sitting 5 across on bench seats, one meter apart, with no toilet or food facilities! You mentioned something else as an advantage as well but your point was probably just as ridiculous.
billybaxter
4 stations =$2b
Safer because because with no power it just stops.
No fog =reliable schedule.
More legroom makes sitting more comfortable.
Each carriage would need a toilet in case of breakdown,thanks for the feedback.
I do not know how much a 10 car Magtube train set would cost but it would cost more than a Japanese maglev and you would need 8 of them, thanks again for that point.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Eddy; how many more points have to made by people like billybaxter, justapassenger, me, and any others, before you realise how little you know about this crazy idea?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Designed this radical TBM based on a prototype I built 20 years ago https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/search.html?backendClass=both&q=free%20face%20tbm

Wheels provide the rotational force while the hydraulic ram gives 1,000t forward thrust with every disc having a second free face muck will be elevated to the conveyor boot to be loaded on the train which consists of supply flat top, concrete wagon, muck wagons and a loco on the outbye end.


In situe slip form concreting would be done simultaneously while cutting with rail and pipe extensions done while train is away.


Directional drilling will indicate conditions ahead as well as providing an anchor for the hydraulic pull ram and if soft or water problems are indicated pre drive grouting can easily be done through open cutterhead.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Gladys refers to the Bullet train as the “next generation train” when in fact they are last century technology to a lot of the world and France is only going to build one more as they cost too much to run.


The next generation train in many people’s opinion will kill air traffic on existing heavily used routes between big cities and go 1,000 kph with maglev in density reduced tunnels so any money spent on buying a corridor would be wasted.


If just Sydney to Canberra is done first there may be one million passengers a year use it but if over the same ten-year period the three states build Sydney, Canberra, Albury to Melbourne at $500m per year each matched by the feds there would be a guaranteed ten million passengers per year so it would pay for itself.


What we do not want to do is waste money on building a track that is limited to 600kph.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

What we do not want to do is waste money on building a track that is limited to 600kph.Laughing
Is it April 1?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

What we do not want to do is waste money on building a track that is limited to 600kph.Laughing
Is it April 1?
michaelgm
Apart from costing twice as much to build and to run as Magtube, it is likely that China, South Korea or Elon Musk will have developed their 1,000kph train by then and we would get stuck with a second rate 500kph train.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Unless the federal government gets an interest free 10 year loan for Magtube and  kills all air traffic on the Sydney Melbourne route  there it no guarantee of the economic viability.

However recently on a trip to Tamworth and Gold coast relatives said there they often fly cheaply all over the place and would be scared of going underground.

I know people do not like travelling to airports, weather unreliability and the check in time so as Magtube carriages would be built with sufficient strength to withstand a near vacuum they would be explosion proof and if they were only 100 people per 10m carriage it would just like a bus with no check required.

The tunnel would have to be near vacuum with one tonne of air entering with the train every time it leaves a station to be pushed out the other end by the train via the vertical one metre exhaust valve.

Development of hard rock TBM has nearly stalled and they are desperately looking for the next innovative breakthrough which I believe will come with second free face discs, directional drilling, predrive grouting and slipform primary lining.

The Japanese Maglev gave free rides until people were confident with the technology and perhaps we could do the same here and I also believe if we can develop a 10m per hour TBM the ticket price could be half that of planes and the public would not even think about a plane on that route.

By the way Pressman do you mean funny ha ha or funny strange and what part do you not understand.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
  eddyb Chief Train Controller
  eddyb Chief Train Controller



This is a good video on the Chunnel https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/phy03.sci.phys.mfw.bbchunnel/building-the-channel-tunnel/#.WchNA7puIdU

Just shows you how little you can predict relying on surface drilling

  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me


This is a good video on the Chunnel https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/phy03.sci.phys.mfw.bbchunnel/building-the-channel-tunnel/#.WchNA7puIdU

Just shows you how little you can predict relying on surface drilling

eddyb
You Tube has a number of better and more informative doco's than that offering you posted
  eddyb Chief Train Controller



This is a good video on the Chunnel https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/phy03.sci.phys.mfw.bbchunnel/building-the-channel-tunnel/#.WchNA7puIdU

Just shows you how little you can predict relying on surface drilling

You Tube has a number of better and more informative doco's than that offering you posted
Pressman
Could you suggest the best one please
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me


This is a good video on the Chunnel https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/phy03.sci.phys.mfw.bbchunnel/building-the-channel-tunnel/#.WchNA7puIdU

Just shows you how little you can predict relying on surface drilling

You Tube has a number of better and more informative doco's than that offering you posted
Could you suggest the best one please
eddyb
Take your choice

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=channel+tunnel+construction

Honestly with all you supposed knowledge you can't do a simple 3 second search on YouTube?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller



Thanks for that


I just checked out the Robbins one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKVVPVwALbY  which was far more accurate.


Also saw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhsWvREDh-s&t=2945s in particular it is not good to have anything flammable especially if it has air to burn in.


Sent this mob off an email in case they are interested in building Magtube http://www.bouygues-construction.com.au/project/ferden-tunnel/




  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Sent this mob off an email in case they are interested in building Magtube
"eddyb"
I had no idea you had the authority to run major contracts. This mob's probably of the same opinion, and the e mail will have been firmly deleted as one should do with all junk mail.

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