P Classes on Bendigo Line

 
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Today I was between Harcourt and Castlemaine and I saw two P-Classes (at front, not push-pull) hauling three H-Class carriages. Does anyone have an idea why this might be? I saw them at around 1:00pm and I assume that they are replacing a V-locity, because that is the train that is scheduled to run that service. Thank you.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Recorded via the Railcam at Golden Square https://www.railpage.com.au/railcams/goldensquare/photo/36660470275

Thanks for reporting.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

No problems. I saw a light which didn't look like a V-locity and I would have filmed if I had more time. At least there is some record of them.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Today I was between Harcourt and Castlemaine and I saw two P-Classes (at front, not push-pull) hauling three H-Class carriages. Does anyone have an idea why this might be? I saw them at around 1:00pm and I assume that they are replacing a V-locity, because that is the train that is scheduled to run that service. Thank you.
reubstar6
This question has been asked elsewhere on RP with speculation that the H sets are being taken to SSR's North Bendigo Workshops for overhaul or maintainance however I don't know what the answer was.

I very much doubt they would be running a revenue service, there is a plethora of Vlocity units avl plus Sprinters with one of each usually stabled at Kyneton over the weekend ready for Up Kyneton>SC duties on Monday am

BG
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
As far as I can gather there are some H sets that can only be run in push-pull mode.

The August 27th timetable change is rumored to see the P class loco retired therefore no push-pull sets.



From what little knowledge I have about their wiring I'd suggest the H sets are going to SSR to have some work done so the N class can haul them.
  MetroFemme Assistant Commissioner

Have p class locos ever run to Bendigo for passenger services?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Have p class locos ever run to Bendigo for passenger services?
MetroFemme

Yes.

But not likely since the late 1980's and 1990's.

H cars, usually with an N or B Class were routinely operated on the Bendigo lined at this time, especially for footy crowds or whenever there was a Sprinter shortage.

But P Classes were not unheard of either.

Same on the Ballarat line.

Mike.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Saw a YouTube clip of this yesterday (but can't find it now!!!!)
The two P's took a 3 car set to North Bendigo Workshops, then collected another set and returned to Melbourne.
The clip shows the P's at Kangaroo Flat, then entering the workshops, then leaving with the second set

Edit:- No sooner posted the above and I found the clip!
Credit to Greensleeves94



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10MLiGQEKUY
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

What is rather odd with this move is why use 2 x P class for such a featherwieight  loading ?  Secondly rather odd that the two P are marshalled long ends leading, whereas short ends leading gives drivers much better visibility .

Note the long pause after existing the workshops to restore the switchlocked siding .  Given push/pull operations are no more would suspect that the 3 x SH+SH sets are getting through fixed wiring between the two 3 car blocks .

Would make far more sense given the current peak loadings if the H car fleet were re-configured as 7 x 7 car sets and 1 x 6LH = 55 cars  . Total 8 sets = 55 cars .
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
What is rather odd with this move is why use 2 x P class for such a featherwieight  loading ?  Secondly rather odd that the two P are marshalled long ends leading, whereas short ends leading gives drivers much better visibility .

Note the long pause after existing the workshops to restore the switchlocked siding .  Given push/pull operations are no more would suspect that the 3 x SH+SH sets are getting through fixed wiring between the two 3 car blocks .

Would make far more sense given the current peak loadings if the H car fleet were re-configured as 7 x 7 car sets and 1 x 6LH = 55 cars  . Total 8 sets = 55 cars .
kuldalai
I just presumed that they pulled apart a Push-Pull train, the loco from the "back" was uncoupled and run around re-attaching to the "front" which is how it ended up long end leading.

Would the second loco requirement be a redundancy, they are running pretty tight on the Bendigo line these days, even on a Saturday and a broken down old P class could really spoil the day.

BG
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for sharing the video and can I assume the line in the foreground as the train leaves the SSR compound is the line to Swan Hill?

Not too familiar with that area but the signal box looks in good shape.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Thanks for sharing the video and can I assume the line in the foreground as the train leaves the SSR compound is the line to Swan Hill?

Not too familiar with that area but the signal box looks in good shape.
bevans
Signal Box is not in use .

The Workshops Siding (Switch Locked) joins into the Echuca Line just on the Down side of North Bendigo Junction, and the line in the foreground is from Swan Hill .

Until the Bendigo signal rationalization many years ago, there was double track between Bendigo and Bendigo North Junction, with the well kept signal box housing a manual interlocking controlling the actual junction .
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
As far as I can gather there are some H sets that can only be run in push-pull mode.

The August 27th timetable change is rumored to see the P class loco retired therefore no push-pull sets.



From what little knowledge I have about their wiring I'd suggest the H sets are going to SSR to have some work done so the N class can haul them.
SamTheMan79
All H sets can be run normally and don't need to be in push-pull.

The HEP units on the P's aren't capable of supplying power to 6 H cars so when you see them in push-pull mode each loco is only supplying power to the 3 car set it is attached to, with the HEP cable disconnected between the two sets. I haven't checked to see if the six car SSH sets have the HEP cable permanently connected between all vehicles but I suspect that would be the case.

N class has an 'issue' the H sets when the MU cable is connected to them as some of the H's circuitry is shared with the dynamic brake which means the dyno can't be used, but other wise there is no problem hauling them with an N.

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