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  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Sent this mob off an email in case they are interested in building Magtube
I had no idea you had the authority to run major contracts. This mob's probably of the same opinion, and the e mail will have been firmly deleted as one should do with all junk mail.
Valvegear
You never know your luck in a big city ha ha

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  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Have you had any response from anybody?  You're sending emails off at the rate of knots to anybody who comes to mind, as well as spamming at least four boards with your errant nonsense, yet I bet not one person has seriously written to you to say they think your idea has merit. If somebody has, please provide proof.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Have you had any response from anybody?  You're sending emails off at the rate of knots to anybody who comes to mind, as well as spamming at least four boards with your errant nonsense, yet I bet not one person has seriously written to you to say they think your idea has merit. If somebody has, please provide proof.
billybaxter

It is amazing what a letter from a nobody can sometimes do.


Once I suggested to the Sydney Opera house to put a carpark where it is now and they replied saying that was their plan but the building workers would not allow it so I wrote to the builder workers union asking them why the ban to which they replied they had no problem.


After they started talking to each other they started building it.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Eddy - just answer billybaxter's question, and stop the irrelevant bulldust.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Eddy - just answer billybaxter's question, and stop the irrelevant bulldust.
Valvegear
I have just answered his bet that nobody has ever written to me.

If you give me an address I will post you copies of the three letters regarding it which I still have dated
3/5/83
17/5/83
27/6/83
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Eddy - just answer billybaxter's question, and stop the irrelevant bulldust.
I have just answered his bet that nobody has ever written to me.

If you give me an address I will post you copies of the three letters regarding it which I still have dated
3/5/83
17/5/83
27/6/83
eddyb
1983!!!!!!!???????????? you realise that makes them 34 years old don't you?

Anything more recent?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Eddy - just answer billybaxter's question, and stop the irrelevant bulldust.
I have just answered his bet that nobody has ever written to me.

If you give me an address I will post you copies of the three letters regarding it which I still have dated
3/5/83
17/5/83
27/6/83
1983!!!!!!!???????????? you realise that makes them 34 years old don't you?

Anything more recent?
Pressman
I have got a box full of letters which I have kept and admittedly a lot of my ideas have been stupid but some have worked.


That is why I liked being a truck driver as it gave me heaps of time to dream up new ideas.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
You still have not answered billybaxter's question. He did not ask whether anyone had written to you. He asked if anyone had written saying that your ideas have merit. You are a master of obfuscation. I'd love to see you in a witness box under cross examination from a good barrister. He'd make mincemeat of you.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

You still have not answered billybaxter's question. He did not ask whether anyone had written to you. He asked if anyone had written saying that your ideas have merit. You are a master of obfuscation. I'd love to see you in a witness box under cross examination from a good barrister. He'd make mincemeat of you.
Valvegear


Just a couple of other ideas I had.


There used to be 20m between longwalls with extensive timbering required in the tailgate so I suggested to a rock mechanic that if 40m was left with a tailgate stub of 20m it would behave just like the maingate to which he said in ten years everybody will be doing this.


Unfortunately they left the 40m but failed to take the 20m tailgate stub thus pushing up the surface between long walls causing big cracks to the surface.


And a far smaller one was when I put two mirrors on the LH side of a tip truck and everybody laughed at me but now all new trucks have two each side.

  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
You still have not answered billybaxter's question. He did not ask whether anyone had written to you. He asked if anyone had written saying that your ideas have merit. You are a master of obfuscation. I'd love to see you in a witness box under cross examination from a good barrister. He'd make mincemeat of you.


Just a couple of other ideas I had.


There used to be 20m between longwalls with extensive timbering required in the tailgate so I suggested to a rock mechanic that if 40m was left with a tailgate stub of 20m it would behave just like the maingate to which he said in ten years everybody will be doing this.


Unfortunately they left the 40m but failed to take the 20m tailgate stub thus pushing up the surface between long walls causing big cracks to the surface.


And a far smaller one was when I put two mirrors on the LH side of a tip truck and everybody laughed at me but now all new trucks have two each side.

eddyb
And still you've NOT answered the question
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

You still have not answered billybaxter's question. He did not ask whether anyone had written to you. He asked if anyone had written saying that your ideas have merit. You are a master of obfuscation. I'd love to see you in a witness box under cross examination from a good barrister. He'd make mincemeat of you.


Just a couple of other ideas I had.


There used to be 20m between longwalls with extensive timbering required in the tailgate so I suggested to a rock mechanic that if 40m was left with a tailgate stub of 20m it would behave just like the maingate to which he said in ten years everybody will be doing this.


Unfortunately they left the 40m but failed to take the 20m tailgate stub thus pushing up the surface between long walls causing big cracks to the surface.


And a far smaller one was when I put two mirrors on the LH side of a tip truck and everybody laughed at me but now all new trucks have two each side.

And still you've NOT answered the question
Pressman



Well, when I spoke to the rock mechanic it was with the mine manager at a single heading conference in north Sydney one weekend and of coarse there was nothing written.

Don’t you think that as the Opera house carpark was built it says it all.

It would not make any difference what I say some guys cannot debate the subject so they just want to deride others.

Give me an address and I will post up the copies.

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Answer billybaxter's question and don't give us rubbish about people being unable to debate the issue. You are the one who is evading the issue. You'll print anything except an honest answer to a simple question.
You are not being derided; you are being asked to provide a truthful answer which, so far, you have refused to do.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Answer billybaxter's question and don't give us rubbish about people being unable to debate the issue. You are the one who is evading the issue. You'll print anything except an honest answer to a simple question. You are not being derided; you are being asked to provide a truthful answer which, so far, you have refused to do.
Valvegear
All you got to do is give me a mailing address which you have refused to do.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
All you got to do is give me a mailing address which you have refused to do.
"eddyb"
And I'm going to keep on refusing. You have made claims in a public forum, so put up your evidence in the same forum. I'm not letting you hide. Either give an honest, public answer to billybaxter's question, or leave us with only one choice, which is to believe that nobody has ever given any positive answer to your letters about Magtube. If someone had, you'd have splashed it all over this forum. I am forced to the conclusion that you have no credibility at all.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Have you had any response from anybody?  You're sending emails off at the rate of knots to anybody who comes to mind, as well as spamming at least four boards with your errant nonsense, yet I bet not one person has seriously written to you to say they think your idea has merit. If somebody has, please provide proof.
billybaxter



I did receive a letter saying Magtube was included to participate in the $20m funding to assist a business case but if you are talking specifically about any letter from any person on any forum about Magtube then no.


So what ?



 


 



 



  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
You'd better ask whoever wrote that letter to clarify it because your description of its contents makes no sense. So you admit that despite your great efforts to get some interest in this project, not one person has written to you to say they think it's a good idea. Does that tell you anything?
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

You'd better ask whoever wrote that letter to clarify it because your description of its contents makes no sense. So you admit that despite your great efforts to get some interest in this project, not one person has written to you to say they think it's a good idea. Does that tell you anything?
billybaxter



It tells me that thanks to feedback from good people like you on different forums Magtube now is quite viable and I believe that any problems in the past have all been addressed.

Some people who have openly opposed it for whatever reason will double down on their opposition and some are sitting on the fence.

  justapassenger Minister for Railways

You'd better ask whoever wrote that letter to clarify it because your description of its contents makes no sense. So you admit that despite your great efforts to get some interest in this project, not one person has written to you to say they think it's a good idea. Does that tell you anything?
billybaxter
He was probably just reading an automated email receipt.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

You'd better ask whoever wrote that letter to clarify it because your description of its contents makes no sense. So you admit that despite your great efforts to get some interest in this project, not one person has written to you to say they think it's a good idea. Does that tell you anything?
He was probably just reading an automated email receipt.
justapassenger



It was snail mail PDR ID : MC17-001036

By James Collett 12/5/17

  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Take a picture and put it on postimage.org
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Take a picture and put it on postimage.org
justapassenger
A lot of things they say are confidential and I am not sure if it would be OK but I don't suppose it would hurt to SMS it to you as long as you give me your number and keep it to yourself what it says.


SMS it to me at 0410482447
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
You'd better ask whoever wrote that letter to clarify it because your description of its contents makes no sense. So you admit that despite your great efforts to get some interest in this project, not one person has written to you to say they think it's a good idea. Does that tell you anything?



It tells me that thanks to feedback from good people like you on different forums Magtube now is quite viable and I believe that any problems in the past have all been addressed.

Some people who have openly opposed it for whatever reason will double down on their opposition and some are sitting on the fence.

eddyb
So you've addressed the following list from 'rain shadow' at the Ars Technica forum

back-of-the-envelope calculations on velocity or pressure are not proof of feasability of the overall system. not even close. anything of this scale will probably need 10K pages of detailed engineering analysis including EVERY ASPECT not just the ones that we are bringing up. off the top of my head:

* thermal behahvior and limits of every single part, piece, fastener, assembly, and installation
* electrical power consumption, delivery, heat dissipation
* signalling, block control, deadman/failsafes, fire suppression systems, intrusion detection, leak detection, chemical/biological detection, earthquake/flood detection and of course some sort of plan for what exactly to do when something is detected
* management of and inspection for metal fatigue from pressure and temperature changes, vibration, age, oxidation, spalling
* serviceability of every single part
* management of static loads and dynamic stress on every structural part, whether moving or not
* unbalanced loads (i.e. all the passengers move to one side to avoid or gawk at something, or all start dancing to a popular tune and setting up a cabin resonance)
* human health and safety at every stage from walking into the terminal, or buying a bottle of water, or barrelling down the track, or vomiting into a barf bag, or having a heart attack 500 km from the nearest station
* hardening against terrorism, disgruntled workers and customers, unintentional chemical/temperature/pressure events from carry on consumer products, wildlife, exterior situations like 50C heatwaves, -40C cold, above ground issues like damage from car accidents impinging on the tube's structure or reinforcement
* provisions for smokers, pets, disabled, preferred customers, odd size cargo, inspection/maintenance vehicles
* proper attitude towards and management of stakeholder needs: regulatory approvals, right of way restrictions, insurance requirements, architectural conventions for light/space/color of terminals and carriages, psychological limits of customers stuck in a tube, PR for when things go wrong
* dynamics of financing. changing tolerance for risk after unrelated events, interest rate shifts for different financing stages throughout project, economic downturn decimates ridership expectations, executive turmoil/scandal
* perhaps the most subtle but maybe most critical point is that systems like this are vertically integrated--essentially a monopoly, as allowing quantas or united to drive their carriages down your tracks would be bizarre and introduce a layer of complexity that might doom the project. however, the internal competition within the airline industry has often been its savior. inefficient airlines can fail and the system of air travel continues. but if a vertically integrated transit system fails, only government intervention can save it, and then you end up with something more like amtrack and less like hopping onto expedia and having 100 ways to get from point A to point B for $149.

really, i'm sure the above doesn't even cover 1% of the issues involved in bringing a large infrastructure project to life.

so far it sounds most similar to a mix of an airport terminal and a metro subway, but with much longer distances and much higher speeds. given that metro systems are horrifically expensive already, adding more speed and distance just takes something that is already 10's of billions and makes it 100's of billions.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Take a picture and put it on postimage.org
A lot of things they say are confidential and I am not sure if it would be OK but I don't suppose it would hurt to SMS it to you as long as you give me your number and keep it to yourself what it says.


SMS it to me at 0410482447
eddyb
Just use the private message button next to this post.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

You'd better ask whoever wrote that letter to clarify it because your description of its contents makes no sense. So you admit that despite your great efforts to get some interest in this project, not one person has written to you to say they think it's a good idea. Does that tell you anything?



It tells me that thanks to feedback from good people like you on different forums Magtube now is quite viable and I believe that any problems in the past have all been addressed.

Some people who have openly opposed it for whatever reason will double down on their opposition and some are sitting on the fence.

So you've addressed the following list from 'rain shadow' at the Ars Technica forum

back-of-the-envelope calculations on velocity or pressure are not proof of feasability of the overall system. not even close. anything of this scale will probably need 10K pages of detailed engineering analysis including EVERY ASPECT not just the ones that we are bringing up. off the top of my head:

* thermal behahvior and limits of every single part, piece, fastener, assembly, and installation
* electrical power consumption, delivery, heat dissipation
* signalling, block control, deadman/failsafes, fire suppression systems, intrusion detection, leak detection, chemical/biological detection, earthquake/flood detection and of course some sort of plan for what exactly to do when something is detected
* management of and inspection for metal fatigue from pressure and temperature changes, vibration, age, oxidation, spalling
* serviceability of every single part
* management of static loads and dynamic stress on every structural part, whether moving or not
* unbalanced loads (i.e. all the passengers move to one side to avoid or gawk at something, or all start dancing to a popular tune and setting up a cabin resonance)
* human health and safety at every stage from walking into the terminal, or buying a bottle of water, or barrelling down the track, or vomiting into a barf bag, or having a heart attack 500 km from the nearest station
* hardening against terrorism, disgruntled workers and customers, unintentional chemical/temperature/pressure events from carry on consumer products, wildlife, exterior situations like 50C heatwaves, -40C cold, above ground issues like damage from car accidents impinging on the tube's structure or reinforcement
* provisions for smokers, pets, disabled, preferred customers, odd size cargo, inspection/maintenance vehicles
* proper attitude towards and management of stakeholder needs: regulatory approvals, right of way restrictions, insurance requirements, architectural conventions for light/space/color of terminals and carriages, psychological limits of customers stuck in a tube, PR for when things go wrong
* dynamics of financing. changing tolerance for risk after unrelated events, interest rate shifts for different financing stages throughout project, economic downturn decimates ridership expectations, executive turmoil/scandal
* perhaps the most subtle but maybe most critical point is that systems like this are vertically integrated--essentially a monopoly, as allowing quantas or united to drive their carriages down your tracks would be bizarre and introduce a layer of complexity that might doom the project. however, the internal competition within the airline industry has often been its savior. inefficient airlines can fail and the system of air travel continues. but if a vertically integrated transit system fails, only government intervention can save it, and then you end up with something more like amtrack and less like hopping onto expedia and having 100 ways to get from point A to point B for $149.

really, i'm sure the above doesn't even cover 1% of the issues involved in bringing a large infrastructure project to life.

so far it sounds most similar to a mix of an airport terminal and a metro subway, but with much longer distances and much higher speeds. given that metro systems are horrifically expensive already, adding more speed and distance just takes something that is already 10's of billions and makes it 100's of billions.
billybaxter
Ha ha
My son in law says people who say it cannot be done should just get out of the way of those doing it.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Ha ha
My son in law says people who say it cannot be done should just get out of the way of those doing it.
eddyb
Or did you just see that exact statement in my signature? (it been there for over 3 years!)

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