New metro rail line from Sydney CBD to Parramatta 'highest priority' for state

 

News article: New metro rail line from Sydney CBD to Parramatta 'highest priority' for state

NSW Transport Minster Andrew Constance says building a new multi-billion-dollar metro train line from central Sydney to Parramatta is the "highest priority for the city", raising questions over when the new airport at Badgerys Creek will be linked by rail.

  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I question the NSW Government's contention that the West Metro will add to capacity and ease congestion on the T1 Western Line to the Sydney CBD.

While I support the West Metro, I don't regard it as a satisfactory augmentation of the existing rail corridor.  It will essentially service a new rail corridor with what by their own admission will be an all stations service with up to a dozen stations between Parramatta and the CBD.  Unless it is extended further west beyond Parramatta to at least Blacktown, then it will have minimal impact.  So far, that possibility has not yet been flagged.  The only way to ease congestion on current T1 line is to augment it with a new express tunnel from Granville to the CBD with possibly only one intermediate station at Strathfield.

Then there is the question of where the Parramatta Metro Station will be located, because that would have a bearing on how convenient it will be to interchange to the metro. Considering that the all stations metro service is unlikely to be any faster than the existing express service, then why bother changing unless your destination is along the new metro route?

There appears to be an impasse between the Federal and State Governments on the final recommendations of the Joint Western Sydney Rail Needs Scoping Study.  The Federal Government appears to favour a north/south alignment between the SWRL at Leppington to St Marys on the Western Line via Badgerys Creek Airport, which presumably would be an extension of the existing rail network, whereas the State Government favours a direct metro connection to Parramatta, linking with the proposed West Metro.  The State Government is reluctant to spend any money on extending the existing Sydney Trains infrastructure.

However, the Federal Government might have the final say in this if they are willing to make a significant contribution to the cost of a new rail link to the airport, on their terms.

New metro rail line from Sydney CBD to Parramatta 'highest priority' for state

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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Presumably the Sydney-Parramatta Metro would have driverless trains, like Chatswood-Rouse Hill.

Ideally the Metro could share Drivered tracks beyond Parramatta to Westmead and Beyond, especially the "Slow" lines.

At the Sydney end, this Metro might extend a few stations on the Eastern Suburbs.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Presumably the Sydney-Parramatta Metro would have driverless trains, like Chatswood-Rouse Hill.

Ideally the Metro could share Drivered tracks beyond Parramatta to Westmead and Beyond, especially the "Slow" lines.

At the Sydney end, this Metro might extend a few stations on the Eastern Suburbs.
awsgc24
Allowing the driverless Metro to have access to the existing network in co-junction with DD trains adds significant cost and complexity to both and hence will not be done, nor needed.

The Western Metro will have some stops, doubt it will be 12 and most are new to rail locations. I strongly suggest the Metro station will be under Paramatta existing station, extension to Westmead but beyond, it would only be Blacktown Station as this is a natural catchment.

Assume even with extra stations the  metro maybe slightly faster due to more favorable track alignment and likely speeds. Over half the western line users are city bound so there will clearly a major benefit if they can make the interchange at Paramatta work effectively.

For me this line should terminate at St James with other city based stations being Pitt Street with the other Metro and Central. St James is pretty much next to Martin Place and doesn't need a separate station. Further extension would be towards Nth Beaches via Mosmam.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

From my understanding and talking to metro personnel at a metro briefing the other day the west metro will not be 12 stops between Sydney and Parramatta. It will be about 8 stops and the metro trains will be travelling at 130-145km/h providing a 20 minute service between the Sydney and Parramatta CBD's. Avoidance of underwater tunneling is the preferred option and so Parramatta, Rosehill, Olympic Park, North Strathfield (to avoid the westconnex tunnel), haberfield, lilyfield (connecting with the light rail) and pitt street are the firm options at the moment.

The metro will not interact with the existing Sydney trains network. Transtopic is correct in that the metro will not relieve congestion on the T1 unless it goes further west and a 3rd track pair between Strathfield and Lidcombe is needed at the least.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
So, if it is "highest priority" they should build this now after allocating the $2Bn or so saved by keeping the two stadiums as is.Razz


(edited to fix typo).
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
So, if it is "highest priority" they should build this now after allocating the $2Bn or so saved by keeping one two stadiums as is.Razz
mikesyd
Yes, I'm not sure what the priority here is. Rebuilding a sub 20 year old stadium to less capacity than now???
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I wonder if both options (ie Metro to Parramatta and connection from Leppington to St Marys is possible?  Connecting to Leppington would allow for same train service between Kingsford Smith and Badgerys Ck, which might help connect airport transfer traffic better.

Also could the St Marys corridor also accomodate the freight link which is on the planning boards somewhere?


Re the Western Metro - ive seen pictures of the eastern end of the alignment (pretty ones in the papers, nothing official) that show it heading to Waterloo and the south east after Central. I agree though it should come further north in the CBD and then head south east.  

I think that the beaches metro should link into North Sydney and then head south through the same tunnel as the NWRL, with another suitable southern arm to branch to.  Perhaps Hurstville will be ready by then?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE



Re the Western Metro - ive seen pictures of the eastern end of the alignment (pretty ones in the papers, nothing official) that show it heading to Waterloo and the south east after Central. I agree though it should come further north in the CBD and then head south east.  

I think that the beaches metro should link into North Sydney and then head south through the same tunnel as the NWRL, with another suitable southern arm to branch to.  Perhaps Hurstville will be ready by then?
james.au
Highly likely the NWRL- City Metro will use so much capacity of the harbour tunnel leg within 10 years there would not be significant capacity for the beaches line or if there was not for long. Also moves the network back to the entanglement we have now.

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