Central station

 
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Would it be possible to replace these proposed escalators https://www.sydneymetro.info/article/955-million-central-walk-sydney-metro-contract-awarded with travelators https://www.schindler.com/us/internet/en/mobility-solutions/products/moving-walks/inclined-moving-walks.html and big lifts https://www.zdnet.com/article/mitsubishi-installs-worlds-largest-elevator-in-japan-80-passengers-per-car/ as many people with luggage or strollers find them a bit dangerous especially if you are old.


I once caught a lift with a lady who said she nearly fell on an escalator and has never used one since also a wheelchair can be used on them when they are stopped in an emergency and they would be just as cheap to install as the drift can be done with a roadheader.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

Would it be possible to replace these proposed escalators https://www.sydneymetro.info/article/955-million-central-walk-sydney-metro-contract-awarded with travelators https://www.schindler.com/us/internet/en/mobility-solutions/products/moving-walks/inclined-moving-walks.html and big lifts https://www.zdnet.com/article/mitsubishi-installs-worlds-largest-elevator-in-japan-80-passengers-per-car/ as many people with luggage or strollers find them a bit dangerous especially if you are old.


I once caught a lift with a lady who said she nearly fell on an escalator and has never used one since also a wheelchair can be used on them when they are stopped in an emergency and they would be just as cheap to install as the drift can be done with a roadheader.
eddyb
Geometry isn't on the side of travelators.
They have to be set at a lower angle than escalators. In the deeper examples, like those from the concourse to the Metro would probably run the length of the platform concerned, so if you use the travelator at the North end you end up at the South end of the platform.

It would be possible to  use travelators from the cross passages to the platforms 16 to 23 because they would just  emerge slightly further up the platform.

But the escalators are suitable for and popular with the great majority of passengers and because of the shorter length get the passengers to the new level faster. Lifts are available for those who can't or don't wish to use the escalators. At present many people use the lifts to platforms 16 to 23 to avoid the stairs. Many older or less fit people would be happy to use escalators rather than climb the steps and that should reduce the lift usage to those who need the lifts most.

Escalators will move more people more quickly than travelators which will be good in peak hours.

Peter
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Would it be possible to replace these proposed escalators https://www.sydneymetro.info/article/955-million-central-walk-sydney-metro-contract-awarded with travelators https://www.schindler.com/us/internet/en/mobility-solutions/products/moving-walks/inclined-moving-walks.html and big lifts https://www.zdnet.com/article/mitsubishi-installs-worlds-largest-elevator-in-japan-80-passengers-per-car/ as many people with luggage or strollers find them a bit dangerous especially if you are old.


I once caught a lift with a lady who said she nearly fell on an escalator and has never used one since also a wheelchair can be used on them when they are stopped in an emergency and they would be just as cheap to install as the drift can be done with a roadheader.
Geometry isn't on the side of travelators.
They have to be set at a lower angle than escalators. In the deeper examples, like those from the concourse to the Metro would probably run the length of the platform concerned, so if you use the travelator at the North end you end up at the South end of the platform.

It would be possible to  use travelators from the cross passages to the platforms 16 to 23 because they would just  emerge slightly further up the platform.

But the escalators are suitable for and popular with the great majority of passengers and because of the shorter length get the passengers to the new level faster. Lifts are available for those who can't or don't wish to use the escalators. At present many people use the lifts to platforms 16 to 23 to avoid the stairs. Many older or less fit people would be happy to use escalators rather than climb the steps and that should reduce the lift usage to those who need the lifts most.

Escalators will move more people more quickly than travelators which will be good in peak hours.

Peter
M636C
Off memory the new Metro will be 15m below the surface and as it would only be a one in three angle the travelator would put you in the centre of the surface platform but do not forget many would use the big $2m lifts.


Also the tiny lifts that are now used already have people queuing up for them and it will only get worse as we grow older as a nation.

Actually if a stand alone high capacity train https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/331a49f3-7949-495b-b3d9-e675231588d6/5-metre-wide-carriage started an access/recovery/lift shaft now on the grass next to central with a blue am team and pink pm female team with the platforms at right angles to the surface ones there would be no need for an expensive concourse as people would just use the metro west platform saving money and winning the next state election.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Would it be possible to replace these proposed escalators https://www.sydneymetro.info/article/955-million-central-walk-sydney-metro-contract-awarded with travelators https://www.schindler.com/us/internet/en/mobility-solutions/products/moving-walks/inclined-moving-walks.html and big lifts https://www.zdnet.com/article/mitsubishi-installs-worlds-largest-elevator-in-japan-80-passengers-per-car/ as many people with luggage or strollers find them a bit dangerous especially if you are old.


I once caught a lift with a lady who said she nearly fell on an escalator and has never used one since also a wheelchair can be used on them when they are stopped in an emergency and they would be just as cheap to install as the drift can be done with a roadheader.
Geometry isn't on the side of travelators.
They have to be set at a lower angle than escalators. In the deeper examples, like those from the concourse to the Metro would probably run the length of the platform concerned, so if you use the travelator at the North end you end up at the South end of the platform.

It would be possible to  use travelators from the cross passages to the platforms 16 to 23 because they would just  emerge slightly further up the platform.

But the escalators are suitable for and popular with the great majority of passengers and because of the shorter length get the passengers to the new level faster. Lifts are available for those who can't or don't wish to use the escalators. At present many people use the lifts to platforms 16 to 23 to avoid the stairs. Many older or less fit people would be happy to use escalators rather than climb the steps and that should reduce the lift usage to those who need the lifts most.

Escalators will move more people more quickly than travelators which will be good in peak hours.

Peter
M636C
You were right Peter.

How about incorporating metro west while they are upgrading central.

Central station upgrade will need to service the next 50 years and with a growing and ageing population this needs to be taken into account now.


The North concourse generally have at the same time a group of older tourists standing in a huddle while regular younger commuters are trying to get past them.


My suggestion is to incorporate a wide Metro west platform with two big elevators connecting it to each surface platform and the NWRL metro as well.

Download it and check it out in the 2017 model  
https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/26c42c60-04d9-42ad-8bc4-a00f424f1a33/Sydney-central-station?uploadsuccess=1
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

I have upgraded my Sydney central station drawing to now include a metro east on the same 20m wide platform as the metro west it can be downloaded and checked out in the 2017 version.


https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/26c42c60-04d9-42ad-8bc4-a00f424f1a33/Sydney-central-station?uploadsuccess=1
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

metro west won't be going through central is why it isn't going to be built. It will be an interchange at pitt street station and then head out east via hyde park
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

metro west won't be going through central is why it isn't going to be built. It will be an interchange at pitt street station and then head out east via hyde park
simstrain
So you are suggesting it goes across Darling harbour somewhere and if so how.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

metro west won't be going through central is why it isn't going to be built. It will be an interchange at pitt street station and then head out east via hyde park
So you are suggesting it goes across Darling harbour somewhere and if so how.
eddyb
Well one of the Metros is going under Central and that is why the concourse contract will include platforms for the Metro before it heads out to Bankstown.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Well one of the Metros is going under Central and that is why the concourse contract will include platforms for the Metro before it heads out to Bankstown.
nswtrains
I am aware the NWRL to Sydenham is having a concourse at Central but what I am suggesting is a 20m wide metro west/metro east at 90 degrees and 20m below the surface platforms and use it as the interchange concourse thus saving $500m.


In my opinion it is impossible to go west of Barangaroo as an immersed tube would cause too much pollution and disruption and to go deeper would make it too steep to have a station at Martin place.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

metro west won't be going through central is why it isn't going to be built. It will be an interchange at pitt street station and then head out east via hyde park
So you are suggesting it goes across Darling harbour somewhere and if so how.
Well one of the Metros is going under Central and that is why the concourse contract will include platforms for the Metro before it heads out to Bankstown.
nswtrains

That is for the cbd and south west metro and not the metro west. I am suggesting the metro west will go under darling harbour into the city and will have an interconnection point with town hall station and pitt street metro station.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

metro west won't be going through central is why it isn't going to be built. It will be an interchange at pitt street station and then head out east via hyde park
So you are suggesting it goes across Darling harbour somewhere and if so how.
Well one of the Metros is going under Central and that is why the concourse contract will include platforms for the Metro before it heads out to Bankstown.

That is for the cbd and south west metro and not the metro west. I am suggesting the metro west will go under darling harbour into the city and will have an interconnection point with town hall station and pitt street metro station.
simstrain


I think there is too much pollution in Darling harbour for an immersed tunnel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY24FNR0Qi8


One dead fish and people would be screaming for a stop.
  TomBTR Chief Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
Interesting video!

I wonder what divers would find on the floor of Sydney Harbour above the existing road tunnel or for that matter on the bed of Dora Creek above the Eraring cooling water exhaust tunnel.

Darling harbour should be easy in comparison to the road tunnel.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

Interesting video!

I wonder what divers would find on the floor of Sydney Harbour above the existing road tunnel or for that matter on the bed of Dora Creek above the Eraring cooling water exhaust tunnel.

Darling harbour should be easy in comparison to the road tunnel.
TomBTR
Evidently it is 12m deep at Barangaroo and I do not know how much deeper competent rock is but overall the tunnel bottom would have to be at least 20m below sea level that means a grade of at least of one in ten to get to Martin place.


They could have a deep station below Martin place with big lifts or perhaps go around the world like Chatswood to Epping to gain height (if they had just built a bridge it would have been Chatswood to Parramatta)


I just want to know they have thought this through.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I didn't say martin place eddy. I said the pitt street metro stop and town hall meaning the tunnel can come in under darling harbour without having to go under cockle bay.
  eddyb Chief Train Controller

This may be just the shot for excavating the east/west metro to surface platforms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QueB4GCQww

Although it would cost so much to rent and move it may be better to just drill a central hole and excavate the 8mx4m shafts with jackhammers throwing muck down the hole and securing the sides as you go.

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