Horsham passenger rail: Wimmera leaders pleased with community support

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 29 Jun 2015 15:46
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
In the local Member's defence, why should she catch a bus in the wee small hours at 05:40 when there's a bus leaving an hour or so later at 06:48.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/3efaa93c-7229-41ef-8ad2-ffc462665ae2/210-Nhill-Melbourne-(via-Horsham)-(1)

I know I'd be on the 06:48 as well even though the connection at Ballarat is Cr@p. That's V/Line's concern about the connection time at Ballarat and IMO the local MP has a valid point about the cr@p connecting time.

No doubt this long connecting time will be rectified before too long.

Mike.

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  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
In the local Member's defence, why should she catch a bus in the wee small hours at 05:40 when there's a bus leaving an hour or so later at 06:48.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/3efaa93c-7229-41ef-8ad2-ffc462665ae2/210-Nhill-Melbourne-(via-Horsham)-(1)

I know I'd be on the 06:48 as well even though the connection at Ballarat is Cr@p. That's V/Line's concern about the connection time at Ballarat and IMO the local MP has a valid point about the cr@p connecting time.

No doubt this long connecting time will be rectified before too long.

Mike.
The Vinelander

I certainly agree, but she was not happy about the time it took to travel, so if she caught the services I, suggested, it would of been 1.15 faster travel time. As you said, hopefully this will be sorted shortly.

And speakin of wee small hours, when I used to catch the same bus, while living at Goroke, I had a 45min high speed drive on top of that  Shocked

BigShunter.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Agree, she caught the wrong bus. If you're familiar with the time-table it's much better to take the early bus, gets you into Melbourne much faster.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Agree, she caught the wrong bus. If you're familiar with the time-table it's much better to take the early bus, gets you into Melbourne much faster.
don_dunstan

Agreed it's faster as much because of the 130Km/h train from Ararat and and less thumb twiddling between the bus and the train ex Ararat.

Mike.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Agree, she caught the wrong bus. If you're familiar with the time-table it's much better to take the early bus, gets you into Melbourne much faster.

Agreed it's faster as much because of the 130Km/h train from Ararat and and less thumb twiddling between the bus and the train ex Ararat.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Boys, boys ........
We all know there was a faster option,
but think about it for a moment ..............
Your the local MP,
You want more funding for your area's Public Transport,
You decide to pull a media stunt,
You make damn sure that you can show that the existing PT is wanting,
So you deliberately pick the worse possible connections to give the longest travel time and bleat about it to any media who'll listen.

Simples!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
It's not a media stunt....it's a timetable with an unnecessarily long transit time at Ballarat. Everyone who travels on that service and is transiting beyond Ballarat has to endure the connection time.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Boys, boys ........
We all know there was a faster option,
but think about it for a moment ..............
Your the local MP,
You want more funding for your area's Public Transport,
You decide to pull a media stunt,
You make damn sure that you can show that the existing PT is wanting,
So you deliberately pick the worse possible connections to give the longest travel time and bleat about it to any media who'll listen.

Simples!
Pressman
The primary issue with transiting from Horsham to Ballarat/Melbourne is those interchanges killing the timings - personally I couldn't care less if its a bus or a train as long as the interchange times aren't excessive. There's already a transit time of 40 mintues - 1 hour at Horsham if you're coming from beyond there.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Boys, boys ........
We all know there was a faster option,
but think about it for a moment ..............
Your the local MP,
You want more funding for your area's Public Transport,
You decide to pull a media stunt,
You make damn sure that you can show that the existing PT is wanting,
So you deliberately pick the worse possible connections to give the longest travel time and bleat about it to any media who'll listen.

Simples!
The primary issue with transiting from Horsham to Ballarat/Melbourne is those interchanges killing the timings - personally I couldn't care less if its a bus or a train as long as the interchange times aren't excessive. There's already a transit time of 40 mintues - 1 hour at Horsham if you're coming from beyond there.
don_dunstan

2.5 hours is a LONG time to hang on for a pee if you're coming from Horsham to Ballarat on the bus...Yes I know buses have toilets, but for many people they are just too small to maneuver oneself into, use then exit again...not to mention the bus heaving and swaying along the road.

This is why pax in many instances sit in discomfort whilst travelling until a proper facility is available.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
2.5 hours is a LONG time to hang on for a pee if you're coming from Horsham to Ballarat on the bus...Yes I know buses have toilets, but for many people they are just too small to maneuver oneself into, use then exit again...not to mention the bus heaving and swaying along the road.

This is why pax in many instances sit in discomfort whilst travelling until a proper facility is available.

Mike.
The Vinelander
We've been through this before, Mike. I'm sorry if you don't like buses (I'm guessing mobility is the reason) but the fact is that it's going to be just too expensive to provide that train. Buses are not my favourite mode of transport either but it's a cheap way for the government to provide a service that otherwise may not be affordable for taxpayers.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Ok you two, here's a bit more fuel, just stoking the fire a bit.

Wimmera coach service demand increases

PATRONAGE on one of the major V/Line bus routes in the Wimmera increased by about 50 per cent in the 12 months to April.

V/Line figures show that between July 2016 and April 2017, 2124 people used V/Line's coach service between Horsham and Ararat, which travels via Murtoa and Rupanyup. From July 2017 to April this year, the figure increased to 3178 passengers.

Patronage also increased between Ararat and Dimboola. More than 4200 people used that route between July 2016 and April 17. That figure rose to 5139 in the same period in 2017-18.


https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5393077/wimmera-coach-service-demand-increases/?cs=12

Cut from today's Wimmera MailTimes.

If the patronage has gone up by this level, well that is excellent news, I reckon if stream lining the bus services with faster connection to the next mode of transport, will be great news for everybody.

Yawning a bit. I realise this topic is creating plenty of commentary, but is everyone sick of the sight of this, YET.

I'm neither here nor there, but will keep posting, until told other wise or until don and Mike run out of ammo.

BigShunter.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
2.5 hours is a LONG time to hang on for a pee if you're coming from Horsham to Ballarat on the bus...Yes I know buses have toilets, but for many people they are just too small to maneuver oneself into, use then exit again...not to mention the bus heaving and swaying along the road.

This is why pax in many instances sit in discomfort whilst travelling until a proper facility is available.

Mike.
We've been through this before, Mike. I'm sorry if you don't like buses (I'm guessing mobility is the reason) but the fact is that it's going to be just too expensive to provide that train. Buses are not my favourite mode of transport either but it's a cheap way for the government to provide a service that otherwise may not be affordable for taxpayers.
don_dunstan

For the record I have no mobility issues whatsoever...in fact most days I power walk from SCS to Spring St and return at night...about 5Km in total....But I digress.

Many people, particularly the elderly and others who are far less mobile than myself DO have mobility issues and this would be improved immensely if the buses utilised on long distance routes were of a higher standard with better seat pitch and more commodious toilets...I refuse to use that Americanism...'bathroom'.

Mike.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger

Many people, particularly the elderly and others who are far less mobile than myself DO have mobility issues and this would be improved immensely if the buses utilised on long distance routes were of a higher standard with better seat pitch and more commodious toilets...I refuse to use that Americanism...'bathroom'.

Mike.
The Vinelander
The toilets on the coaches might not be the best, but the seats are generally quite generous (most coaches seats are basically indistinguishable from Vlocity seats) and the coaches also provide the benefit of having USB charging ports.


On the poor connection time at Ballarat, the only real alternative would be to run the coach either earlier or later to meet the train. This might make it inconvenient for the people who need to get to Ballarat - it would need to be more than 20 minutes earlier to meet the previous train, and 30-40 minutes later to meet the next one with a more reasonable gap.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't understand why the proposal was so expensive... You'd need X4 or X6 standard gauge DMU's stationed at Ararat possibly using the same depot as the V/locity - passengers change trains from the broad gauge services still terminating in the dock at Ararat and walk across to the standard gauge service waiting on the main; but divert the main line away from the platform so it's not blocked.

Not sure where they got the $290 million for completely restored services - why so expensive? Did they put gauge conversion from Ballarat in that figure?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I don't understand why the proposal was so expensive... You'd need X4 or X6 standard gauge DMU's stationed at Ararat possibly using the same depot as the V/locity - passengers change trains from the broad gauge services still terminating in the dock at Ararat and walk across to the standard gauge service waiting on the main; but divert the main line away from the platform so it's not blocked.

Not sure where they got the $290 million for completely restored services - why so expensive? Did they put gauge conversion from Ballarat in that figure?
don_dunstan
One guess would be

Consultants.
Signaling modifications
Level Crossing rebuilds (all to lights and booms)
Ararat and Horsham mainline platform bypasses.
Station refurbishments (even Including sealed car parks, sculptures In the gardens, the whole works)
Stabling pens at both Ararat and Horsham.
Paying off other 3rd parties that may feel disadvantaged by proposed project development (companies/contractors that put In a tender bid that fails)

Governments with the departments (that have swamps of dead wood) waste money like no tomorrow.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I don't understand why the proposal was so expensive... You'd need X4 or X6 standard gauge DMU's stationed at Ararat possibly using the same depot as the V/locity - passengers change trains from the broad gauge services still terminating in the dock at Ararat and walk across to the standard gauge service waiting on the main; but divert the main line away from the platform so it's not blocked.

Not sure where they got the $290 million for completely restored services - why so expensive? Did they put gauge conversion from Ballarat in that figure?
don_dunstan

Well don it's all laid out in the report by Mr Hearsch and his crew, I have the proposed costing document, if you would like to sift through it, all presented as an easy read doco.

BigShunter.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
This will be interesting, to see what the public feed back is, anyone who's been there lately, some feed back on here would also be of interest, as well.

Call for feedback on Ararat Railway Station precinct.

ARARAT Rural City Council is calling for feedback on the Ararat Railway Station precinct.

Acting Mayor Gwenda Allgood called on people to share their feedback.

“We’re particularly interested in your thoughts about how we can improve it,” she said.

“The information you provide is important and will help influence the future vision for the station – how it could function and what it could look like.”

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5418126/call-for-feedback-on-ararat-railway-station-precinct/?cs=12

Todays Wimmera MailTimes.


BigShunter.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Bus interchange area should have a roof - but that's in an ideal world.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Further improvements in PT are on their way...and we didn't even have to wait for the election... Wink

https://www.vline.com.au/News-Alerts/News-Articles/Boosting-coach-services-in-the-Wimmera

Mike.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
The above didn't go unnoticed, Mike.

Yesterdays Wimmera MailTimes, had an update to match your info, Mike, follow the link, a couple of interviews from a rather blustery Ararat platform, Jacinta promoting the new bus services and the second interview, she, hard to hear at times because of the wind and announcements over the PA, answers a few questions, about the MBRP. I reckon she was speaking quite confidently and seemed on top of the quetions being asked, despite a fair few on here, giving her a fair lashing.

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/5507561/all-aboard-horsham-passengers-to-benefit-from-new-coach-services/?cs=12

Louise Stanley, the member for Rippon, in my opinion didn't do her self any favors, could be Scott Ramsy's sister, perpetual whinging will get you no were and rubbishing everything that is done to try and improve services, will do Nobody At All any good what so ever. Ranting that anything other than a new train service to Hamilton and Horsham, is a fail, is a load of Bull$hit. Ararat has had an increase in train services and the new bus service is apparently better timed to meet train's, how about being thankful for that !

Dare I say any notice should be taken of Facebook, but this story on the MailTimes facebook page, had a fellow catching an early morning bus to Ararat and we all know, that place in winter is not a good place for Brass Monkey's, but the bloke in question, said it was all but zero degree's and the train wasn't due to arrive for an hour and the station was locked, perhaps doesn't open till 8.00, not sure, but that is something that could be addressed in an orderly fashion.

That's my report, time for a cuppa, TQ your on site, any statements.

BigShunter.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Louise Stanley, the member for Rippon, in my opinion didn't do her self any favors, could be Scott Ramsy's sister, perpetual whinging will get you no were and rubbishing everything that is done to try and improve services, will do Nobody At All any good what so ever. Ranting that anything other than a new train service to Hamilton and Horsham, is a fail, is a load of Bull$hit. Ararat has had an increase in train services and the new bus service is apparently better timed to meet train's, how about being thankful for that !
BigShunter

Precisely, political discourse on this sort of issue is so mindlessly antagonistic it's a wonder anything ever gets done anywhere. (See also: Skyrail.) What a sensible local member would have done is thank the government for their improvements to the service and encourage the locals to make use of it to prove that the region might one day be viable for a passenger train again. Remind them that your party has an election promise to start a business case, by all means, though.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Further improvements in PT are on their way...and we didn't even have to wait for the election... Wink

https://www.vline.com.au/News-Alerts/News-Articles/Boosting-coach-services-in-the-Wimmera

Mike.
The Vinelander

Could be a case of get in first with some bus upgrades as an offensive action to shutdown western towns wanting better public transport.  (that is to say a train)

Now when they campaign for a train to Horsham, they will get we have already given you bus upgrades so you have your upgrades.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Could be a case of get in first with some bus upgrades as an offensive action to shutdown western towns wanting better public transport.  (that is to say a train)

Now when they campaign for a train to Horsham, they will get we have already given you bus upgrades so you have your upgrades.
bevans
And maybe add to that "and the pax numbers do not justify a rail service at this time"

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Could be a case of get in first with some bus upgrades as an offensive action to shutdown western towns wanting better public transport.  (that is to say a train)

Now when they campaign for a train to Horsham, they will get we have already given you bus upgrades so you have your upgrades.
And maybe add to that "and the pax numbers do not justify a rail service at this time"

BG
BrentonGolding

That's always difficult to quantify as rail services tend to be travel inducers far more than any bus service can be, by at least a factor of four. Just look at the growth to Maryborough with its smaller population destination compared to the population of Horsham and Hamilton.

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

Just look at the growth to Maryborough with its smaller population destination compared to the population of Horsham and Hamilton.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Travel time to the nearest major activity centre (like Melbourne or Ballarat) Is a much greater factor than a towns population (just look at Clarkfield population about a dozen houses, at the station dozens of cars parked everywhere)
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Clarkefield is basically the Romsey and Lancefield Park and Ride.

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