Harris Trains buried in Talbot Quarry, Huntingdale/Centre Roads Oakleigh South

 
  nscaleNthusiast Beginner

Dear Railpage Community,

I am trying to find information regarding the dumping of Harris train carriages in Oakleigh South during the 70s-90s. I have two neighbours who saw carriages dumped during the 70s and 80s, and through them we know of as many as 10 that were dumped in the pits. We're told other equipment (a bulldozer, crane, several trucks, etc) were either lost or disposed of on the site.

Does anyone know about other Harris trains buried in Talbot Quarry, or how I might find more information on how many were dumped there? Would the Victorian Railways have any information? I'd really appreciate any help and suggestion.

Cheers
nscaleNthusiast

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  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I would not cry to much over these carraiges  as they are all full of ASNESTOS. better to forget them and let them  rot, by the way they were all covered in plastic when sunk into the mud and mire.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The local council might be a good place to start, as the site is full of asbestos I presume they would have some sort of management plan in place for it and therefore they may have some documentation from back in the day,

BG
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
There was a thread here some years ago on the same subject.
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Huh, so that's the name of that pit which Huntingdale Golf Course used as a water source in the last drought. I thought that the Harris' were dumped in another nearby hole where the pistol club is. Then again I also think the Dingley bypass has some buried under it.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Then again I also think the Dingley bypass has some buried under it.
"ARodH"
Negative.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
One of the old threads :

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11338766.htm
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Miss Belvedere should give people some idea of the condition the Harris cars will be after sitting in mud for thirty years. The 1957 Plymouth Belvedere was stored brand new in a tarp inside a time capsule, only to let fifty years of water, mud and other gunk enter the supposedly sealed vault. Fun fact, it was the same type of car used in the film Christine (as the '58 Fury from the book was too rare and expensive).
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The local council might be a good place to start, as the site is full of asbestos I presume they would have some sort of management plan in place for it and therefore they may have some documentation from back in the day,

BG
BrentonGolding
I don't believe the council would be too interested in disclosing much about the location etc due to the nature of the material buried. I remember seeing an item on the television news at the time of burial. It amuses me how people get excited about an event that was well known at the time years later as though they had discovered the ark of the lost covenant.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
It amuses me how people get excited about an event that was well known at the time years later as though they had discovered the ark of the lost covenant
nswtrains

And if you are to believe the OHS cardigans, asbestos has similar face-melting properties to that mythical relic...
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
It amuses me how people get excited about an event that was well known at the time years later as though they had discovered the ark of the lost covenant

And if you are to believe the OHS cardigans, asbestos has similar face-melting properties to that mythical relic...
LancedDendrite
Yep, those OHS numpties have nothing to worry about digging up buried material that includes asbestos that would further fragment as part of the extraction process and of course no one living nearby would be worried about the airborne transmission of fibres into the air.

Remember we are not talking about bonded asbestos, this is friable. These cars had blue and white friable asbestos (depending when they were manufactured). This is like the material used old boiler insulation. It does require knowledgeable and skilled people. It is not like unscrewing a fibro sheet off an old house.

It is very possible to recover, but to infer that OHS is over reacting with asbestos, you are welcome to go for it, but don't drag in others with an attitude "she'll be right".....

I do agree that people hide behind OHS to create bureaucracy so they can say no or to add cost in many instances, they just display a poor understanding of risk and having a balanced appetite for it. However asbestos in this country deservedly has a very poor history and understandably we have ended up where the attitude is that it has "face-melting properties" with people that don't understand the risks.

The industry has itself to blame for that, as it wasn't exactly very responsible (down right deceptive) and it took a major movement for it in the end, before they owned that responsibility.

As to the cars, they were buried as the cost to clean up all of them outweighed the benefits. Yes of course they could be dug up, but I wouldn't want to pick up that tab.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The local council might be a good place to start, as the site is full of asbestos I presume they would have some sort of management plan in place for it and therefore they may have some documentation from back in the day,

BG
I don't believe the council would be too interested in disclosing much about the location etc due to the nature of the material buried. I remember seeing an item on the television news at the time of burial. It amuses me how people get excited about an event that was well known at the time years later as though they had discovered the ark of the lost covenant.
nswtrains
Whilst I was being somewhat facetious I wouldn't have thought that the information would have been too cloak-and-dagger, after all it is public knowledge.

I was driven past the site on the way to my Railway Medical earlier in the year and the driver (also a TR volunteer) pointed it out to me as we drove by.

BG
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

It amuses me how people get excited about an event that was well known at the time years later as though they had discovered the ark of the lost covenant

And if you are to believe the OHS cardigans, asbestos has similar face-melting properties to that mythical relic...
LancedDendrite
While there is some scaremongering regarding asbestos it is nasty smeg when the fibres get down in the bottom recesses of your lungs where the body can never expel them.

As for the 'cardigans', LD,  their hands are effectively tied by what the O/WHS Regulations have to say about the discovery and handling of asbestos. Playing fast and loose with the stuff is inviting legal trouble. The cardigans are only called in to advise, but it would be unwise to ignore that advice.
  oldquarrysite Beginner

Thanks All

Apologies for the lengthy silence and thanks for the information above--it's very useful.

Since posting way back when, I've found a third person who saw Harris train carriages dumped at the old Talbot Quarry (corner of Centre/Huntingdale roads) in Oakleigh South, so I'm up to at least 15 carriages at this point. I could really use some help if anyone knows of any documented evidence (or photos, etc.) of trains on the site.

There are approved planning permits to dredge up and 'dry' the quicksand at the bottom of the 30-metre-deep pit containing at least one carriage (probably several more), and I'm concerned about public health and safety for the residents nearby. The City of Monash claims there are no trains there.

Not to be paranoid, but perhaps a private message would be better if you know anything.

Cheers!
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
This might sound a bit wild, but it is rather disconcerting how a number of quite toxic/dangerous materials have been buried underground, and totally forgotten about. A while ago the Age (I believe it was) wrote an exposé on how a nuknee of former service stations (which had leaking tanks, contaminating the soil) had been demolished and largely forgotten about.

To the horror of a landowner, when they begun building foundations for their house, it was discovered the soil was quite toxic. To remediate the soil was a very expensive task. This landowner has raised the alarm about contamination and it was realised there was no big public record of sites that had previously held this material (and other dangerous and toxic materials leftover from industrial processes). It remains to be seen if a survey of some sort will come into existence...
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

This might sound a bit wild, but it is rather disconcerting how a number of quite toxic/dangerous materials have been buried underground, and totally forgotten about. A while ago the Age (I believe it was) wrote an exposé on how a nuknee of former service stations (which had leaking tanks, contaminating the soil) had been demolished and largely forgotten about.

To the horror of a landowner, when they begun building foundations for their house, it was discovered the soil was quite toxic. To remediate the soil was a very expensive task. This landowner has raised the alarm about contamination and it was realised there was no big public record of sites that had previously held this material (and other dangerous and toxic materials leftover from industrial processes). It remains to be seen if a survey of some sort will come into existence...
ElliotProvis
A fair comment, look how the RAAF buried the F-111 near Toowoomba.

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