Third train station announced for Mernda rail extension

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 15 Nov 2016 12:13
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Naming the station after Marymede Catholic College was a poor choice to begin with. Middle Gorge is pretty silly too, but no sillier or  more geographically useless than Croxton, Dennis, Hartwell, or Glenbervie.

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  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
To be fair, at least Middle Gorge makes more sense then Marymeade, since the college could just disappear one day. Middle Gorge is still very weird though,  I wouldn't say it's bad as other posters have said, but it's not the one that would first pop up in my mind, something like 'Findon' or 'Williamson' seems better.
But hey, at least now I know whats its named after (the Middle Gorge park on the western edge of South Morang), unlike other stations I can think of (like Keilor plains.)
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
MIddle Gorge!  You can almost hear the facebook posters' screaming from here...

I agree it's better to name stations after geography rather than businesses or schools (was never a fan of Marymeade) but that name gives absolutely no clue about where the station is.

What happened to a bit of community consultation? They're the people that have to use it everyday - the people in the PTV office who came up with this will probably never ever ride the thing.
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
I had a look at Some of the Mernda rail stuff yesterday on a bus ride to and from Whittlesea.
Track Appears to be laid past South Morang, Masts and track from what I could tell went past the Central Shopping centre to somewhere before it meets Plenty Road.
Hawkstowe station appears to be well under way, it appears of a similar design to the sky rail stations on the Pakenham and Cranbourne lines, albeit a little darker.
Mernda appeared to be completely black when I viewed from a distance, and because of this I couldn't see what the interior appeared to look like.
There is a newly constructed pedistrian footbridge on the east side of Plenty road, just North of where the line crosses it.
The stabling yard appears to now have fencing and some buffers compared to the last time I saw it.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
It's definitely time for some more photos.
Middle Gorge p1

by Gauntlet, on Flickr


looking under Plenty Road from Middle Gorge

Middle Gorge p2




There's a section with no rails or wires which is a bit over one kilometre long which includes the crossing under Plenty Rd and the
pedestrian overpass opposite The Lakes Blvd.



Hawkstowe




Mernda

by Gauntlet, on Flickr
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Interesting.

So Middle Gorge is built like Tarneit, and the others like the CD9 skyrail stations.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

re station names . Keilor Plains when I knew it in the 1970s was just that . I contrast this with Kangaroo Flat , each time I go past there is a distinct lack of Kangaroos and the area is noticeably undulating , the only flat bits are due to a bulldozer at work !

Re Stooge Park and Williamson , not a goer for the likelihood of being mistaken for Williamstown and Williams Landing .

Best wishes and regards, Radioman
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Word has it that test passenger trains are running today between South Morang and Mernda at 10am, 11:30am, 1:30pm and 2:30pm.

I should have stayed home from work!
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

There's a video up on Facebook with the departure from South Morang station.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Which page?
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Which page?
potatoinmymouth
https://www.facebook.com/merndarail/

A excellent resource for all things Mernda Rail.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Here it is at Mernda.

by Gauntlet, on Flickr
It was 931M-1666T-932M-232M-1416T-231M. The older three carriages are hidden by the station canopy.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

It   sounds like a version of Skyrail is coming to Mooroolbark.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

It   sounds like a version of Skyrail is coming to Mooroolbark.
trainbrain
So discuss it in the Level Crossings thread, please. Not this one.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

It   sounds like a version of Skyrail is coming to Mooroolbark.
So discuss it in the Level Crossings thread, please. Not this one.
potatoinmymouth
a bit touchy, no worries Spud.
  Alphabet Train Controller

Location: Moonee Ponds
Does anyone know what the new timetables on the Mernda and Hurstbridge lines will look like? I wonder if Mernda will get a couple expresses...

I know the Hurstbridge line is meant to be getting a couple extra services too; I'd imagine they'd only be starting from Greensborough or maybe Eltham, though. I suppose there isn't a huge pressing need beyond Eltham, although Diamond Creek could probably do with an extra service or two.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Does anyone know what the new timetables on the Mernda and Hurstbridge lines will look like? I wonder if Mernda will get a couple expresses... I know the Hurstbridge line is meant to be getting a couple extra services too; I'd imagine they'd only be starting from Greensborough or maybe Eltham, though. I suppose there isn't a huge pressing need beyond Eltham, although Diamond Creek could probably do with an extra service or two.
Alphabet


How feasible would it be to run Perth-style alternating services along this line? It's an ideal candidate given the lack of complex pathing interactions and double track throughout.

It won't happen, of course, but it would improve running times on a very long line.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Does anyone know what the new timetables on the Mernda and Hurstbridge lines will look like? I wonder if Mernda will get a couple expresses... I know the Hurstbridge line is meant to be getting a couple extra services too; I'd imagine they'd only be starting from Greensborough or maybe Eltham, though. I suppose there isn't a huge pressing need beyond Eltham, although Diamond Creek could probably do with an extra service or two.

How feasible would it be to run Perth-style alternating services along this line? It's an ideal candidate given the lack of complex pathing interactions and double track throughout.

It won't happen, of course, but it would improve running times on a very long line.
potatoinmymouth
Something similar to the Fremantle line in peak you mean? ie. train patterns like this:
A  - -  -  - F G H I J K
A B C D E F  - -  - - K

There's been many letters sent and many opinions raised about getting express services to Mernda but the general answer from PTV has been "express services reduce available train paths" (thinking Jolimont to Clifton Hill) and so are unlikely.

However, at a maximum peak frequency of 8 minutes out of Mernda in the morning, I imagine there will be trains that are full well before Clifton Hill (they nearly are at the moment some days from South Morang and I think the uptake on the new line will be bigger than estimated). Having some run express from Reservoir -> Preston -> Clifton Hill may not only be sensible but necessary anyway, to avoid full trains stopping at stations where nobody can get on. Unlikely though from PTV.

What would be extremely frustrating however is if they persist with Clifton Hill -> Jolimont express trains in morning peak from places like Greensborough and Macleod (!) at the expense of Mernda.

For example, the 7:55 from Macleod makes 9 stops then arrives at Clifton Hill at 8:15 and runs express to Jolimont.
Meanwhile, the -full- 7:42 from South Morang making 14 stops (soon to be 17 with Mernda), arrives at Rushall at 8:11 and WAITS 6 minutes for the Macleod train to pass ahead, then stops every station into Flinders St.

Why not swap them around? There'd be no impact on the timetable and you'd have the benefit of the train with more spare capacity servicing the stations between Clifton Hill and the city, instead of a completely full one.  I think there must be somebody at the timetabling department who lives on the Hurstbridge line Evil or Very Mad
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Few points here.

Express trains DO just take up train paths and reduces overall line capacity for the benifit of a few minutes.

I don’t think we will see that many services terminating short of Greenbrough now that the line has been duplicated. It was an absolute timetabling nightmare before. You’d have to timetable a service from Hurstbridge on the single line to Eltham, then slow/stop for a counter peak train to pass then continue on to Greensborough where you would have to do that same. Then timetable train paths through Cliffon Hill to avoid as much conflict with South Morang and the train paths into the city loop. ????

Now you can have an even frequency to Greenbrough, with the only conflict at Clifton Hill.

There will be heavier loading on the new Mernda Line so I would hope these are exp - CHL - JLI.

But we shall see what happens.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner
  loopy Junior Train Controller

My hardcore curiosity regarding Comengs and the Mernda line has finally been answered courtesy of this youtube video



https://youtu.be/yAFlMemrBsM
  drunkill Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Timelapse of the new section from the drivers point of view:

  rokaifly Station Master

https://ptv-prod-timetables.s3.amazonaws.com/timetables/02MER/all/ttpdf-vic-E-ttb-TIMINGPOINTS-02MER--1532496989/timetable.pdf

New mernda timetable posted today on Wednesday, not sure why it's been posted early.
But to me it's bit of a let down, they could've improved the service through out the day, to atleast 15min which I believe is warranted. Also the services between 3pm and 4pm could've have a boost. As they are usually always packed with workers from the city, then school children get on aswell and it gets pretty packed.

But it's nice to see extra services during peak hour. But I believe every 6 minutes is warranted aswell for the near future. The government have got to keep an eye on mernda patronage
  rokaifly Station Master

https://ptv-prod-timetables.s3.amazonaws.com/timetables/02MER/all/ttpdf-vic-E-ttb-TIMINGPOINTS-02MER--1532496989/timetable.pdf

New mernda timetable posted today on Wednesday, not sure why it's been posted early.
But to me it's bit of a let down, they could've improved the service through out the day, to atleast 15min which I believe is warranted. Also the services between 3pm and 4pm could've have a boost. As they are usually always packed with workers from the city, then school children get on aswell and it gets pretty packed.

But it's nice to see extra services during peak hour. But I believe every 6 minutes is warranted aswell for the near future. The government have got to keep an eye on mernda patronage

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