Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
And rerouting freight trains to free up the tracks won't deliver the same benefit?
railblogger
Go put a price tag on your grand plan the shut down Dynon / South Dynon rail yards along with Swanson Dock, Appleton Dock and Victoria Dock, all to massively expand Webb Dock (of witch property developers want anyway for their Fisherman's Bend urban re development)

Along with building a expensive freight train tunnel under the Yarra River and Newport.

Building new rail freight terminals (to replace Dynon yards)

What do you gain ! exclusive access to a few km's of goods line between North Melbourne and West Footscray wow !

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  GoldenGirl Locomotive Driver

I don't like the idea of an expensive ticket price to the airport. I think it should be built like any other line by the government, and should cost just as much as any other trip. You don't want people to continue to take Smartbus services to Broadmeadows. Plus, when SRL comes in, what will happen?

Apart from myself when it works for me, very few pax actually travel to the airport with their Myki in zone 2.

It's highly unlikely a $20.00 fare will deter pax from travelling on the 20 min journey. Skybus is virtually the same fare as the train will be and the Skybus is often packed out.

Will be interesting to see how the tunnels are planned to go under Footscray.

Mike.
The Vinelander
It does not work for me. When we go to the airport, it costs us each $33 for the round trip, that's a total of $66. It is far more convenient for us to drive out there, with any luggage we have, and park at Andrews Parking, which costs us around $45 total for just over 24 hours. And the train is not looking any more enticing either.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

It does not work for me. When we go to the airport, it costs us each $33 for the round trip, that's a total of $66. It is far more convenient for us to drive out there, with any luggage we have, and park at Andrews Parking, which costs us around $45 total for just over 24 hours. And the train is not looking any more enticing either.
GoldenGirl
For a group of travelers 2 or more, traveling via car to a parking lot near the airport Is always going to win hands down on affordability.

What an airport train could offer over driving a car with a group of travelers Is avoiding crippling road congestion at certain times of the day.

Discounted Family tickets and a small discount on groups are available on Skybus
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
And rerouting freight trains to free up the tracks won't deliver the same benefit?
Go put a price tag on your grand plan the shut down Dynon / South Dynon rail yards along with Swanson Dock, Appleton Dock and Victoria Dock, all to massively expand Webb Dock (of witch property developers want anyway for their Fisherman's Bend urban re development)

Along with building a expensive freight train tunnel under the Yarra River and Newport.

Building new rail freight terminals (to replace Dynon yards)

What do you gain ! exclusive access to a few km's of goods line between North Melbourne and West Footscray wow !
Nightfire
Pretty certain I mentioned a bridge, not a tunnel...
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Pretty certain I mentioned a bridge, not a tunnel...
railblogger

How exactly do you plan to get a bridge with the clearance of the West Gate using freight rail gradients to work?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Doesn't need to be THAT high, given the traffic that will pass under it.

Think Skyrail.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Doesn't need to be THAT high, given the traffic that will pass under it.

Think Skyrail.
railblogger
Think Pie In The Sky
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Yawn.  Wake me and let me know when (if) any construction work actually starts.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Morrison and Andrews have signed the head of agreement for the funding of what will become the most expensive airport rail links in the world.  Starting is 2022 and taking 8 years don;t expect to see a train at the airport for 12 years.  Hardly worth writing about.  At least 1/2 a generation away.  Embarrassing.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/morrison-locked-into-airport-rail-link-construction-to-start-within-three-years-20190312-p513my.html
Well, agreement signed with the Feds for whatever that’s worth. And a completion date of 2031 announced. I knew my 2027 guess was a little optimistic but it’s still disappointing.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

Too little too late...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Too little too late...
chomper

This whole saga is a wonderful example of how Victoria's Governments have mismanaged important infrastructure projects.  I welcome the link however we will be waiting a long time for it and how does it cost $10b?  Simply a joke.

In 1995 Kennett was offered the entire cost of building the link in cash from the Feds and he turned it down stating it was not an important project, but at the time the LIBS were building CITYLINK and were owners in the company.  In short we were jeffed.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I’m a little more optimistic about the project being worthwhile. Remember the expensive bit is the tunnel from Sunshine and that will be used for more than one task. It is not all bad news.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

Too little too late...

This whole saga is a wonderful example of how Victoria's Governments have mismanaged important infrastructure projects.  I welcome the link however we will be waiting a long time for it and how does it cost $10b?  Simply a joke.

In 1995 Kennett was offered the entire cost of building the link in cash from the Feds and he turned it down stating it was not an important project, but at the time the LIBS were building CITYLINK and were owners in the company.  In short we were jeffed.
bevans

Had he taken the federal money and had the airport link built, his Transurban buddies would have turned on him and sued the pants off the state for contravening the non-compete clause.

In a somewhat just world, Kennett would face serious jail time for his tenure as premier.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I believe the cost of building the link back in the 1990's was $800m.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

his Transurban buddies would have turned on him and sued the pants off the state for contravening the non-compete clause.
chomper

The PTUA claims it was a myth such a clause ever existed but Andrews’ recent actions in bundling the removal of similar terms with the West Gate Tunnel funding agreement suggest that was just more PTUA bulldust.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I don't like the idea of an expensive ticket price to the airport. I think it should be built like any other line by the government, and should cost just as much as any other trip. You don't want people to continue to take Smartbus services to Broadmeadows. Plus, when SRL comes in, what will happen?

Apart from myself when it works for me, very few pax actually travel to the airport with their Myki in zone 2.

It's highly unlikely a $20.00 fare will deter pax from travelling on the 20 min journey. Skybus is virtually the same fare as the train will be and the Skybus is often packed out.

Will be interesting to see how the tunnels are planned to go under Footscray.

Mike.
It does not work for me. When we go to the airport, it costs us each $33 for the round trip, that's a total of $66. It is far more convenient for us to drive out there, with any luggage we have, and park at Andrews Parking, which costs us around $45 total for just over 24 hours. And the train is not looking any more enticing either.
GoldenGirl

I have only ever parked at the airport once...in 1988 and will never do so again. I went to Perth for a long weekend, but I digress.
The Skybus and Smartbus are more than adequate for the purpose these days and when the railway eventually goes from Sunshine it will be a seamless way of getting there from anywhere in the west.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Morrison and Andrews have signed the head of agreement for the funding of what will become the most expensive airport rail links in the world.  Starting is 2022 and taking 8 years don't expect to see a train at the airport for 12 years.  Hardly worth writing about.  At least 1/2 a generation away.  Embarrassing.
bevans

Not all embarrassing...

We could do like third world countries do and build a half asre project with a bunch of unqualified day-labour...then watch as a tunnel collapses or the water table that wasn't figured into the equation suddenly rears its ugly head.

These projects take substantial planning to do...and get right the first time.

Mike.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
It is embarrassing that a city the size of Melbourne does not have a rail link and we have spent billions on the road network to make a trip from Melbourne to the Airport even slower.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/airport-rail-to-be-done-by-2031-could-go-through-metro-tunnel-20190313-p513ty.html

Bizarre - we are back to talking about sending the thing through the Metro Tunnel.

I hope this is just the Premier batting off questions from journos because it flat out doesn’t make sense that the project could cost more than $8 billion if it didn’t involve new city access.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Oh well, all aboard a HCMT, a Siemens, or even a Comeng to/from Melbourne Airport....

Welcome to Melbourne!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/airport-rail-to-be-done-by-2031-could-go-through-metro-tunnel-20190313-p513ty.html

Bizarre - we are back to talking about sending the thing through the Metro Tunnel.

I hope this is just the Premier batting off questions from journos because it flat out doesn’t make sense that the project could cost more than $8 billion if it didn’t involve new city access.
potatoinmymouth
Speachless. I cannot see how it could cost $8Bn OR take 12 years if it shared the Metro tunnel. Doesn't tie in with any Andrew's other ideas of benefiting all of Western Vic either.

It's not April 1st yet either.

BG
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
$8 billion does seem a bit excessive if there is no capacity increasing on the up of Sunshine. It seems completely absurd to me that the Federal Government would commit so much money without there being a detailed plan done already. The Premier seems to be arguing both ways, that it could go through Metro Tunnel or not.

Breaking down the money
- New station at the Airport, most likely underground
- Elevated section over the Ring Road
- At grade section between Airport Road and Albion along existing alignment, including new bridge over Maribyrnong
- Dive under at Albion
- New station at Sunshine, with the potential for grade separating the RRL junction.


No indication either of how this will interact with the Western Rail Plan which I don't think has been released publicly yet.

We do need better rail in Melbourne, but I feel as if the politicians are rushing into new, big projects far too quickly with a lack of proper coordination. Smaller projects, like electrifying to Melton, which are just as or more worthwhile than the big ones could end up being overlooked.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

There's certainly a lot of inertia...  Big $$ items will be new bridges and tunnel into Airport, along with Sunshine Station changes. I still can't work out how it could cost a minimum of $8 billion though.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Just wait, i don’t see it running through the Metro Tunnel and they’ve also committed to dealing with Melton and WV sparking as well as Geelong and Ballarat High Speed Rail

I think we will see a new tunnel between Sunshine and City that the Airport and other services will use as well as the alignment to Airport. It may even include a further extension to Bendigo via Clarkefield or Seymour via Wallan. We will see

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