Massive queues at Caulfield on day one of April train pain

 

News article: Massive queues at Caulfield on day one of April train pain

Early risers avoided the worst of Melbourne's train pain on Monday morning as April's big rail shutdown began in earnest, but the trouble hit after 8am when commuters faced long queues and traffic delays.

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I never recall large shutdowns like we see in Melbourne whydoes MELBOURNE have such large shutdowns?

Massive queues at Caulfield on day one of April train pain

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
What I meant to say as when I lived I. England I never recall these massive shutdowns for a month in the uk. Why MELBOURNE ?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
What I meant to say as when I lived I. England I never recall these massive shutdowns for a month in the uk. Why MELBOURNE ?
freightgate

Happens in the UK as well.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
What I meant to say as when I lived I. England I never recall these massive shutdowns for a month in the uk. Why MELBOURNE ?
"freightgate"
Simple. For decades, Melbourne grew and public transport didn't. We're now playing catch-up.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

What I meant to say as when I lived I. England I never recall these massive shutdowns for a month in the uk. Why MELBOURNE ?

Happens in the UK as well.
bingley hall
They might not have been remembered as clearly because the far higher population density means that there are more lines and therefore more options for trains to be diverted along other routes rather than cancelled completely.

They really should do proper shutdowns more often in Britain. Their major projects go forever because keeping the trains running during the work is seen as being more important than getting the job done.

In both Britain and Australia, a rail project having six separate one week shutdowns spread over a year and a lengthy period of minor disruption (e.g. restricted access to a station) would have a perception of being lower total impact than if there was just one shutdown of four weeks in length and the whole job being completed far earlier.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If the underground line was shut for 1 month it would have a major effect on the London economy.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

If the underground line was shut for 1 month it would have a major effect on the London economy.
freightgate

Just wait till you hear what they were going to do in New York. Or did in Sydney.

Seriously, by all means criticise the alternative transport arrangements - that’s fair game - but the only way to avoid occos altogether is to never maintain or improve the rail network. It’s the nature of the beast. Has it been pretty bad for Dandy corridor commuters these last couple of years? Sure. But they’ll also be the major beneficiaries of the improvements.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
What I meant to say as when I lived I. England I never recall these massive shutdowns for a month in the uk. Why MELBOURNE ?
freightgate
Arhh now it's starting to make sense, your not only from N.S.W. your a Pom, as well...........Razz

BigShunter.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
What I meant to say as when I lived I. England I never recall these massive shutdowns for a month in the uk. Why MELBOURNE ?
freightgate

You could have edited your concern into one post instead of posting the same question twice...
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Yesterday's delays would have been exacerbated by the disturbances (vegan) at Flinders Street, eg buses taking longer to do a round trip.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
To where were the buses delivering inbound for caulfield?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The Arts Centre (from Caulfield).
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

In a previous occupation for level crossing removal works, there was a well-publicised bus bridge from Moorabbin to the Sandringham line. It is a pity this was not repeated, because it would have taken some load off the replacement buses between Caulfield and Flinders St. The Sandringham line has had a 6 minute frequency during the occupation - would there have been room for some exiles from the Frankston line?

In the same way there could have been a bus bridge between the Pakenham/Cranbourne line and the Glen Waverley line, perhaps between Hughesdale and East Malvern (1.5 km apart).

The problems with transferring 2 of Melbourne's busiest lines onto buses is insufficient kerb space in the CBD for passengers to board and alight, and other congestion close to the CBD such as the vegan protest. Occupations such as between Sunshine and the CBD were managed well by using a non-CBD transfer point at Flemington Station, and that was only for one line.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The problems with transferring 2 of Melbourne's busiest lines onto buses is insufficient kerb space in the CBD for passengers to board and alight, and other congestion close to the CBD such as the vegan protest. Occupations such as between Sunshine and the CBD were managed well by using a non-CBD transfer point at Flemington Station, and that was only for one line.
mm42

There is no 'Flemington' station in Melbourne.

M.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If the underground line was shut for 1 month it would have a major effect on the London economy.
freightgate
Which part of England did you live in?

It obviously wasn't London, because then you would have known the Underground is a whole network and not just one line. There are 11 lines which make up the London Underground, quite a few of which have multiple branches.

Further to that, they also have the London Overground, Docklands Light Rail, Tramlink and National Rail networks. National Rail alone serves central London with 13 termini and three cross-city lines.

With this level of provision, shutting short sections (all the rail networks have crossovers every 2-3 stations to allow short closures) of individual lines as necessary to get works done in a timely manner should be more than feasible. Closures of short sections allow for much more localised efforts at bridging people across to another line (possibly not even needing buses, thanks to the large number of interchange options) or directing them to different services.

If they can find a way to convince people to take a bit more short term pain, they'll be able to start working off their backlog and get new projects open for service earlier.

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