I have no 'need to go on about' electric cars as the dawn is only now just breaking on the future of our electric car world. Despite our draconian conservative government, the public are embracing E cars as we have always been early adopters, especially as prices drop through economies of scale and the economics of no more expensive servicing or $100.00+ fuel fill-ups both go by the wayside.
Unfortunately through failed Treasurer Hockey, Holden died off as a conventional car maker around 5 years ago and with it the enormous industry that manufactured parts for all three local manufacturers. Who knows where we could be by now with the development and possible early transition to our own E car industry, especially if we had a government that supported progressive industries which the conservatives, time and time again have proven they do not...renewable energy, battery storage and carbon pricing are but three glaring examples.
Shorten is supporting the creation of an E car industry because of the jobs it will provide, less fuel being imported, less carbon pollution and the renewable energy that will power them. But the initiative is well behind the eight ball...but at least his thinking is progressive and the uptake will more than beat Labor's 50% mandate of E cars by 2030.
We can only guess where we would be with the development of E cars if we still had a local industry. ScoMo now furiously back pedalling today after the linked Toyota report...he's such a charlatan and last century thinker whose time is well and truly over and the utter nonsense of tradies losing their utes under Labor is just sheer Trumpism.#Vinelander
Mike Mike Mike, your one eyed politics is really twisting your thinking.
You critised the govts actions or inactions regarding the failure of the car industry, however you didn't support the Industry yourself. Rather than buy a locally made Holden Cruz, you choose to buy "I paid over $60K for a fully optioned Works MINI Cooper S."
The local product wasn't good enough for you would "rather be dead than drive a silver car that blends in with all the other 'white goods' cars on the road". So local cars are good enough for others and the govt to use our subsidise with taxpayer moneys, but not for you?
Treasury Hockey was in power only a short time by the time the formal announcements came through and most of the damage occurred during the boom years before and after the GFC. Gllard/Rudd did nothing to protect the local manufacturing industry (any industry) and just sat back and watched the dollar destroy local industry.
In the case of Ford they were going for years and I think anyone who has been paying attention would say we were lucky to get this far with Ford. They nearly bailed with the AU and probably regret ever making the AU as they never truely recovered. Ford rejected offeres by the govt to build the Ranger in Australia and the Territory's biggest competition internationally was their own Ford Edge which made the Territory basically unexportable. Ford will soon not make any sedan's having failed against the competition so the future in Australia was unstoppable.
Holden's departure was unstoppable thanks to a directive by the US govt, so you can thank your mate Obama for that one. However had they stayed what were they going to make? The Cruz has been killed off by GM due to poor sales against the Asian's and the Commodore was in steep decline.
Toyota was the only one with a chance but on their own no chance. ironically Toyota have no immediate plans to build an EV, something you are advocating as the future for Australia, so clearly clueless here. Toyota was considering building the Fortuner 2 in Aus, but the writting was on the wall so they said no. Again not an EV.
Fuel economy is improving and fuel consumption is declining per capita and at the moment the only spare energy available is actually coal and at the current prices thanks to ALP's govts killing off coal power the cost effectiveness on energy is simply marginal. EV uses about 30-40kW/100km = $9/100km, $15 in SA. The latest standard "white goods" Camry uses around $9-12/100km. With EV's using 2-3 x the average house hold power consumption per day and few able to capitalise on home PV to charge them, watch power prices continue to rise.
As for reducing CO2, please don't be preaching this while owning a "1970 Valiant Pacer", unless you are prepared to get it EV converted, but then again this would destroy "subtle as a sledge hammer" sound. But also remember as sexy as your Mini S is, the fuel economy and hence CO2 emissions lacks that of other smaller cars such as Holden Cruz or better still a classic hybrid "white goods" Prius, so again if CO2 was so important lead by example, not do as I say.
...and no you don't subsidise an industry just to secure jobs, not unless you are preaching from Karl Marx how to be a socialist and destroy an economy handbook. There must be a longterm plan for the industry to stand on its own two feet or required for strategic reasons, if not, you let it go and develop a replacement industry. The current unemployment rates demonstrate this has been successful. Also noting there are few car manufacturing in developed country's unless the vehicles are nice or high end models. The "white goods" cars are now all in developing and low cost country's, why the American's are getting out of sedan production despite Trump's chest beating. Meanwhile Australia still retains an active and highly regarded car design capability designing such cars as Fortuner 2, Camaro etc.
Australia will not be producing mass produced EV's, others will do it cheaper unless we are willing to work for alot less.
As for Shorten's "taking the Tradies Utes"? Why not believe it? The ALP have been preaching for years the LNP will privatise Medicare, so if the ALP say it it must be true. So unless you are telling me the ALP is lying on Medicare, then are they lying over the Tradies Utes? Julia lied about the CO2 tax which increased the cost of running the humble ute and their power prices.
I decided not to castrate your comments Shane and to leave them in-situ in the context in which you wrote them.
However, read this...https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/toyota-hilux-to-go-electric
You are generally correct where your comments are related to me personally and I bought my MINI, because despite being a PT user, and advocate, I'm also a car guy.
Car guys and to a lesser degree, gals acquire and operate cars that are unique, classic, iconic etc...and they keep them in perfect operating condition because that what car people do.
Have a look at Jay Leno's garage for a bit of an idea...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQMELFlXQL38KPm8kM-4Adg
Most car people would consider Aussie cars built in the muscle car era, say from 1967 to 1972, particularly Falcon GT's, Holden Monaro's or Valiant Pacer/Chargers to be appreciating in value assets and in many cases they are rolling works of art because of their presence and the attraction they have within the classic car fraternity.
Moreover the later years of Holden's, the re-launched GTS Monaro's of 15 years ago and Holden Special Vehicles (HSV's) are already classic cars in their own right. Though many are leased for the image and status it gives the driver...but I digress.
However I'm not a GM guy, I'm a Chrysler guy. I drive my Chrysler around 1500 Km a year, possibly less. This would be the equivalent in emissions to a modern car operating over say...3 months.
Despite PM ScoMo's nonsense about tradies and their Rangers etc being forced off the roads if (when) Bill is elected, we all know this is just utter nonsense from a government that is down for the count.
In the case of my MINI, I wanted to drive an iconic vehicle when I bought is almost 15 years ago in 2004 which cost me over $60K on my humble public servants wage and I knew when I bought it that I wouldn't be selling it...Therefore I won't be disposing of my car to update it with another unless it completely 'fails to proceed' to use Rolls Royce terminology.
By not selling it I'm not adding to the consumerism regards disposing of vehicles, breaking them down to their basic parts and the energy consumed in making new cars.
Moreover the MINI, despite being 15 years old and a super-charged 'pocket rocket', though somewhat less so now as engines have further developed in the past 15 years, it's also a relatively low emissions vehicle despite its age, it only averages around 9,000 Km a year...so again I drive LESS than the average motorist even though I commute 160 Km a day to travel to work and often on weekends as well for recreation.
However MOST people do not think like me for many reasons and they are not after anything more from their vehicle than a basic, cheap, reliable mode of private transport to do what the average family or others want out of their average vehicle. In the near future, that's going to be an E vehicle, because that's the way we are headed and E Vehicles will become cheaper to operate than petrol (emissions) powered vehicles and that's when the change will occur.
To wrap up...most modern vehicles are normally parked outside in all weathers, rarely if ever washed, waxed, polished and detailed unless it by a team of others when the time comes for a shopping expedition and a team of workers set get to work on it ...and after three years, because the lease runs out or the owners are concerned its value will drop too much, they trade it in on another.
That's NOT me.
Apologies for hijacking the thread...let's get back on track.