This Delightful Solar-Powered Train Is The Pinnacle Of Transportation

 
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  X Class Locomotive Driver

Apart from the pollution, there's nothing terrible about riding on a diesel rail vehicle at all.  I've never found the noise of a diesel loco or railcar to be the slightest bit offensive.

This Delightful Solar-Powered Train Is The Pinnacle Of Transportation

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Apart from the pollution, there's nothing terrible about riding on a diesel rail vehicle at all.  I've never found the noise of a diesel loco or railcar to be the slightest bit offensive.

This Delightful Solar-Powered Train Is The Pinnacle Of Transportation
X Class

There is plenty wrong with diesel transport. Cancer causing vehicles and there is a need to remove it from passenger transport period. this train being on a relatively flat piece of track is perfectly suited to solar power. Should really look in to extending to mullumbimby.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Apart from the pollution, there's nothing terrible about riding on a diesel rail vehicle at all.  I've never found the noise of a diesel loco or railcar to be the slightest bit offensive.

This Delightful Solar-Powered Train Is The Pinnacle Of Transportation

There is plenty wrong with diesel transport. Cancer causing vehicles and there is a need to remove it from passenger transport period. this train being on a relatively flat piece of track is perfectly suited to solar power. Should really look in to extending to mullumbimby.
simstrain
Totally agree. Although in NSW nothing like coal powered (82%) electrical rail vehicles to warm up the planet. Smile
https://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/about-us/publications-and-reports/state-of-the-environment/state-of-the-environment-2015/03-energy


Truly a debate between butter and margarine.

Butter will harden your arteries and you will die from a heart attack or stroke.
Margarine, conspiracy theorists will say it will cause cancer.

What's your poison, electric trains (coal powered) or diesel?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Apart from the pollution, there's nothing terrible about riding on a diesel rail vehicle at all.  I've never found the noise of a diesel loco or railcar to be the slightest bit offensive.

This Delightful Solar-Powered Train Is The Pinnacle Of Transportation

There is plenty wrong with diesel transport. Cancer causing vehicles and there is a need to remove it from passenger transport period. this train being on a relatively flat piece of track is perfectly suited to solar power. Should really look in to extending to mullumbimby.
simstrain
There is plenty of way to avoid this, one is using the Power of the Atom to get from A to B. Currently the Best and most flawless way to haul rail is and will always will be until Atomic energy is widespread enough will burning Coal or oil. We Can still use Internal combustion and steam while being Environmentally friendly, Burning Sugar Bagasse or waste Fryer oil in a steam loco is the way of the future. Electric Traction will be limited to over and under head wires as there is no conceivable way to do so otherwise. Bio Oil is way too impractical to use and time consuming to produce, We Will be reverting to Kettles again soon burning leftover McNuggets slump and Sugary crap and Timber from Plantations in the Murray area. Solar Power is great for houses, but trains its another one of your pipe dreams Sims. The only reason its effective is cause of Byrons warmish weather and of course the flat land of the area. Its only there to make Byrons hippies look good compared to everywhere else.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I've heard the 'delightful solar-powered train' has been spending a considerable amount of its time broken down or waiting for spare parts from overseas.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I've heard the 'delightful solar-powered train' has been spending a considerable amount of its time broken down or waiting for spare parts from overseas.
don_dunstan

It has been operating like clockwork and so I have no idea where you get your information from.

Atomic energy is already too wide spread as it is. It should never be used in this country outside of the facility at lucas heights. Atomic energy creates a huge amount of radiation pollution and unlike carbon it can't be offset by trees.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I've heard the 'delightful solar-powered train' has been spending a considerable amount of its time broken down or waiting for spare parts from overseas.

It has been operating like clockwork and so I have no idea where you get your information from..
simstrain
This article:

I chatted with the friendly and informative volunteer passenger attendant during the layover at the Byron Beach station and she advised me that there was a technical problem with one of the batteries and that the train had run 3 consecutive return services, that’s why it was running on diesel, not solar power. Ok, so now it’s the cool season and there has been some overcast weather recently and ‘technical issues’ are always a potential issue, still questions should be asked. How frequently does the train run on diesel fuel? What impact do seasons and weather patterns have on the reliability of the ‘world’s first solar train’?

I've read previously that the solar charging and the inverters are a bit of an issue and delayed the initial launch.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

I've heard the 'delightful solar-powered train' has been spending a considerable amount of its time broken down or waiting for spare parts from overseas.

It has been operating like clockwork and so I have no idea where you get your information from..
This article:

I chatted with the friendly and informative volunteer passenger attendant during the layover at the Byron Beach station and she advised me that there was a technical problem with one of the batteries and that the train had run 3 consecutive return services, that’s why it was running on diesel, not solar power. Ok, so now it’s the cool season and there has been some overcast weather recently and ‘technical issues’ are always a potential issue, still questions should be asked. How frequently does the train run on diesel fuel? What impact do seasons and weather patterns have on the reliability of the ‘world’s first solar train’?

I've read previously that the solar charging and the inverters are a bit of an issue and delayed the initial launch.
don_dunstan
A bit like Germany's Renewables "miracle". Built on dirty, evil atomic energy from France.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
This article:

I chatted with the friendly and informative volunteer passenger attendant during the layover at the Byron Beach station and she advised me that there was a technical problem with one of the batteries and that the train had run 3 consecutive return services, that’s why it was running on diesel, not solar power. Ok, so now it’s the cool season and there has been some overcast weather recently and ‘technical issues’ are always a potential issue, still questions should be asked. How frequently does the train run on diesel fuel? What impact do seasons and weather patterns have on the reliability of the ‘world’s first solar train’?

I've read previously that the solar charging and the inverters are a bit of an issue and delayed the initial launch.
A bit like Germany's Renewables "miracle". Built on dirty, evil atomic energy from France.
fzr560

And when it's "plugged in" at either end of the route its drawing dirty coal-fired electricity from the grid too.

Not exactly a solar-powered success story is it.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I've heard the 'delightful solar-powered train' has been spending a considerable amount of its time broken down or waiting for spare parts from overseas.

It has been operating like clockwork and so I have no idea where you get your information from.

Atomic energy is already too wide spread as it is. It should never be used in this country outside of the facility at lucas heights. Atomic energy creates a huge amount of radiation pollution and unlike carbon it can't be offset by trees.
simstrain
Australia should have 16GW min of nuclear energy, its and industry we can have cradle to grave solution with customers OS.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I've heard the 'delightful solar-powered train' has been spending a considerable amount of its time broken down or waiting for spare parts from overseas.

It has been operating like clockwork and so I have no idea where you get your information from.

Atomic energy is already too wide spread as it is. It should never be used in this country outside of the facility at lucas heights. Atomic energy creates a huge amount of radiation pollution and unlike carbon it can't be offset by trees.
Australia should have 16GW min of nuclear energy, its and industry we can have cradle to grave solution with customers OS.
RTT_Rules
The problem with nuclear power is disposing of the spent fuel.

Given the longest-lived civilizations never made it past a few thousand years, is it really possible to store high-level radioactive waste for milennia beyond that? History is full of "Seemed like a good idea at the time" scenarios, of which I personally feel nuclear power is going to be found to have been one in decades to come. And most waste needs to be managed thermally, not just its radioactivity.

Yes, Australia has enormous areas that are relatively geologically stable, and uranium mines of our own, but that doesn't mean we should be filling old cavers with waste just because we can.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

This article:

I chatted with the friendly and informative volunteer passenger attendant during the layover at the Byron Beach station and she advised me that there was a technical problem with one of the batteries and that the train had run 3 consecutive return services, that’s why it was running on diesel, not solar power. Ok, so now it’s the cool season and there has been some overcast weather recently and ‘technical issues’ are always a potential issue, still questions should be asked. How frequently does the train run on diesel fuel? What impact do seasons and weather patterns have on the reliability of the ‘world’s first solar train’?

I've read previously that the solar charging and the inverters are a bit of an issue and delayed the initial launch.
A bit like Germany's Renewables "miracle". Built on dirty, evil atomic energy from France.

And when it's "plugged in" at either end of the route its drawing dirty coal-fired electricity from the grid too.

Not exactly a solar-powered success story is it.
don_dunstan

The solar train company provides all of the power to run the trains on solar power without the need to pull from dirty coal sources. A dead battery on one persons visit is hardly a frequent issue. I do believe that it should be extended to mullumbimby to truly get some patronage happening.
  Alphatron Station Staff

Location: Wellington
There is a good video about the Byron Bay solar train on the UK Fully Charged you tube channel :

https://youtu.be/1SafVI7vKs4
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I've heard the 'delightful solar-powered train' has been spending a considerable amount of its time broken down or waiting for spare parts from overseas.

It has been operating like clockwork and so I have no idea where you get your information from.

Atomic energy is already too wide spread as it is. It should never be used in this country outside of the facility at lucas heights. Atomic energy creates a huge amount of radiation pollution and unlike carbon it can't be offset by trees.
Australia should have 16GW min of nuclear energy, its and industry we can have cradle to grave solution with customers OS.
The problem with nuclear power is disposing of the spent fuel.

Given the longest-lived civilizations never made it past a few thousand years, is it really possible to store high-level radioactive waste for milennia beyond that? History is full of "Seemed like a good idea at the time" scenarios, of which I personally feel nuclear power is going to be found to have been one in decades to come. And most waste needs to be managed thermally, not just its radioactivity.

Yes, Australia has enormous areas that are relatively geologically stable, and uranium mines of our own, but that doesn't mean we should be filling old cavers with waste just because we can.
KRviator
Chemical wastes don't usually 'go away' when they're in the environment. Strangely enough, the opposite is true for radioactive waste. That's just how radioactive decay works - spent nuclear fuel is like a candle that burns down its wick over time, and the flame is radiation.

As for thermal management, that's why there are spent fuel pools at nuclear power stations - to 'cool down' the fuel for a period of months after it comes out of the reactor before it gets put in passively-air-cooled casks made of steel and concrete.

The nuclear industry has already developed and deployed solutions to 'the waste problem'. It's called spent fuel reprocessing. Spent fuel ('waste') comes in, new fuel comes out and fission products (the actual waste, although that's debatable) can be disposed of. Fission products have a much lower radioactive half-life compared to uranium & plutonium-containing spent fuel - they are more radioactive but the radioactivity dies down to practically nothing over a 100 year period.

France does spent fuel reprocessing right now. It's not a widely-deployable solution because it uses a process (PUREX) that is also used in the production of nuclear weapons. However, there are alternatives that have been developed already - they do use different kinds of nuclear reactors to the ones deployed today though.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The solar train company provides all of the power to run the trains on solar power without the need to pull from dirty coal sources.
simstrain
Okay so it's just all the heavy metals and other poisons used in the manufacture of the panels and the batteries we just have to worry about; and the fact that all that stuff is imported and we need to export coal to pay for it. Win/win.
A dead battery on one persons visit is hardly a frequent issue.
simstrain
The article said it had been running on a diesel generator all day because the sun hadn't been out. So it's just on non-sunny days that diesel particulate pollution gets emitted. Should really be called "The Occasionally Solar Train" (subject to the sun being out).

Again, not exactly a smashing greenie success story is it.
I do believe that it should be extended to mullumbimby to truly get some patronage happening.
simstrain
Exactly, if almost nobody is using it now then why not double-up and run twice the passenger miles of empty seats?

Not sure who the target market is supposed to be given it doesn't start until 10am and only goes for 3km. Still, Byron Bay residents can feel smug about their greenwash I guess.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
Don,

I daresay the public relations outcomes of this exercise have well exceeded what the project actually cost in the first place.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Don,

I daresay the public relations outcomes of this exercise have well exceeded what the project actually cost in the first place.
locojoe67

Joe, people who want us to rush hell-for-leather into renewables have no concept of the extreme unreliability and the sheer expense - misleading articles like this one only reinforce the delusion that we can actually run a nation on the wind and sun alone.

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