Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The three month period, for which we can't book, will be used as evidence that there are not enough passengers to warrant retaining the service.

Sir Humphrey would be proud of such an initiative.
"Valvegear"

I see from various posters that cynicism and irony are wasted on them.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The three month period, for which we can't book, will be used as evidence that there are not enough passengers to warrant retaining the service.
Sir Humphrey would be proud of such an initiative.
Its a rumor, nothing to see here.
It came from the train manager of the Overland yesterday so you treat the information as you see fit.
Fatty

Would like to think someone on that level would know.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The VIC government are the ones who need to make the decision to either kill the whole thing off or find the money to improve it - SA Premier Steve Marshall may actually tip in for an improved daily service perhaps jointly paid for by VIC/SA hauled by N-class but it has to be return daily again for it to be meaningful and they also need to find a way to shave time off the length of the journey. The SA government has (rightly) said that it doesn't support the existing structure and I can't see them changing their minds - an extra three months will do nothing if its just to continue the existing model.

Jacinta Allen is just stalling for time otherwise - doesn't want to be the one responsible for canning it I guess.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It came from the train manager of the Overland yesterday so you treat the information as you see fit.

Would like to think someone on that level would know.
bevans
"That level" is just the senior member of the onboard staff team, not company management.

Best to treat it as a rumour until confirmed from a reliable source.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Just speculating here but an extra three months would have no other purpose than to get the Commonwealth to tip in when PlaySchool resumes on the 4th of February. ScoMo buys VIC/SA new trains for interstate service - maybe that's what they're hoping after ScoMo copped a bit of unpopularity recently.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
It came from the train manager of the Overland yesterday so you treat the information as you see fit.

Would like to think someone on that level would know.
"That level" is just the senior member of the onboard staff team, not company management.

Best to treat it as a rumour until confirmed from a reliable source.
justapassenger
A senior member of the onboard team who will be made redundant when the service stops. I would hope that management are keeping her in the loop.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I have a friend in Berri and last time I we were there visiting her she took us for a tour of the Berri Martin Bend Reserve - https://www.berribarmera.sa.gov.au/rv, there's lots of caravan parks that seem reasonably priced throughout the Riverland too.

Riverland SA councils have a progressive attitude to those motorised home tourists that some parts of VIC are only just catching up to.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Oops, wrong thread! But they've almost converged now into a discussion about SA & VIC tourism and services -
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It came from the train manager of the Overland yesterday so you treat the information as you see fit.

Would like to think someone on that level would know.
"That level" is just the senior member of the onboard staff team, not company management.

Best to treat it as a rumour until confirmed from a reliable source.
justapassenger

It's been heard from a much higher level than that.

For the last time, it's not a smegging rumour, BUT change is a constant, especially in the rail industry, and what was last week's plan is often this week's shattered dream.
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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Word is that the Overland has a 3 month extension while discussions continue.
In the meantime any prospective travellers can't book. Stop mucking around and just cancel the damn thing.
don_dunstan

I'm certain the participants in the discussion will take your advice under active consideration...Wink

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The VIC government are the ones who need to make the decision to either kill the whole thing off or find the money to improve it - SA Premier Steve Marshall may actually tip in for an improved daily service perhaps jointly paid for by VIC/SA hauled by N-class but it has to be return daily again for it to be meaningful and they also need to find a way to shave time off the length of the journey. The SA government has (rightly) said that it doesn't support the existing structure and I can't see them changing their minds - an extra three months will do nothing if its just to continue the existing model.

Jacinta Allen is just stalling for time otherwise - doesn't want to be the one responsible for canning it I guess.
don_dunstan

Jacinta Allan is Minister for Transport Infrastructure...something you SA guys know little about.

Melissa Horne is Minister for Public Transport...also something you SA guys know little about.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Word is that the Overland has a 3 month extension while discussions continue.
In the meantime any prospective travellers can't book. Stop mucking around and just cancel the damn thing.

I'm certain the participants in the discussion will take your advice under active consideration...Wink

Mike.
The Vinelander
Whatssamatta Mikey, you having a little sook because The Overland is finally done?

I'll ask you again, how many times did you take the train you want saved in the last twelve months - once?

Am I right?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The VIC government are the ones who need to make the decision to either kill the whole thing off or find the money to improve it - SA Premier Steve Marshall may actually tip in for an improved daily service perhaps jointly paid for by VIC/SA hauled by N-class but it has to be return daily again for it to be meaningful and they also need to find a way to shave time off the length of the journey. The SA government has (rightly) said that it doesn't support the existing structure and I can't see them changing their minds - an extra three months will do nothing if its just to continue the existing model.

Jacinta Allen is just stalling for time otherwise - doesn't want to be the one responsible for canning it I guess.

Jacinta Allan is Minister for Transport Infrastructure...something you SA guys know little about.

Melissa Horne is Minister for Public Transport...also something you SA guys know little about.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Again - having a little pout? Diddums.

Not really up with who-is-minister for what in the People's Republic of Victoria, however if your state government wants to spend money on a tourist train to our capital city without any contribution whatsoever from the taxpayers of South Australia then that's fine by me, for once my Premier Steve Marshall did a sensible thing and said 'no'. It's true that we're not nearly as fast and loose with debt as you are over there, the SA govt has its hands full trying to find a way of completing the South Road project without tolls and it won't be cheap.

You do realise that Chairman Dan's huge spending spree is more than double the debt left behind by Joan Kirner for Jeff Kennett at $62,900,000,000 - ALREADY - and that it's projected to grow by another $29 billion by 2024? They're pretty amazing figures aren't they, rather exponential-looking. Chairman Dan's credit card must be running red hot right now.

But yeah, go ahead and spend money on a train service to my state - on behalf of the people not paying for it we lowly South Australians say "thank-you big spending socialists across the border, thank-you Chairman Dan".

EDIT: Here is the Fairfax/Nine article from only last month that those diabolical debt figures come from:

Auditor-General Andrew Greaves cautioned that spending would need to be reined in or new money found for the government to make good on all its promises.

Really, why? Never stopped them earlier, why should it stop them now.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The only reason the Vic government would bother to prolong the service is because how bad it'd look on them if they discontinued a rail service in this day and age.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The only reason the Vic government would bother to prolong the service is because how bad it'd look on them if they discontinued a rail service in this day and age.
Dangersdan707

As I said before, won't lose them any votes and won't win them any critical votes - whichever way they choose to go. For the average punter, the future of the Overland wouldn't rate in the top 100 of their 'concerns'. Other than the odd gunzel, it's highly unlikely to influence their voting choices.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I really don't think cancelling the overland will cause any issues for labor as it just seems to be rail buffs that are upset. If Victoria build enough SG vlocities then vline could provide services to those towns in western Victoria instead of a private company. Services like the overland have no reason to exist in 2019 like they did in 1950.

Those debt numbers might seem high for a South Australian such as Don but these massive projects being done in Melbourne and Sydney recently are extremely important. Even as a Sydneysider I see how important the new metro tunnel is to Melbourne and if it can be built the outer rail loop could provide outer suburbs with connectivity options that the bus just can't do efficiently. These numbers are not that bad when you have 5 x the population of Adelaide. The debt can be easily paid back if it makes the cities operate more efficiently.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
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Those debt numbers might seem high for a South Australian such as Don but these massive projects being done in Melbourne and Sydney recently are extremely important. Even as a Sydneysider I see how important the new metro tunnel is to Melbourne and if it can be built the outer rail loop could provide outer suburbs with connectivity options that the bus just can't do efficiently. These numbers are not that bad when you have 5 x the population of Adelaide. The debt can be easily paid back if it makes the cities operate more efficiently.
simstrain
We wouldn't be able to handle those kind of population growth figures here anyway - Sydney and Melbourne each absorb about 110,000 new residents every year - that's more than a brand new full MCG. No way could we cope with that here, we barely have enough water for the people who already live here. And what would the people do here apart from be good new consumers?

The cash splash in NSW and VIC is exponential and totally unsustainable - the only reason either of those states was able to build their hugely ambitious public works programs (almost exclusively for Sydney and Melbourne mind you, growth in regional VIC/NSW is non-existent) is -
  • Asset sales such as Port of Melbourne, NSW power networks, land titles offices etc etc
  • Borrowed money. Okay while you can do that at historically cheap rates but you can't be AA1 customers and keep spending like you are.
Getting back to my own state of South Australia, there's bugger all jobs, we're still hovering around the nation's highest unemployment, the most expensive electricity - who would want to set up a major new industry here to sustain that massive new amount of people? Growth for growth's sake is costing Australian taxpayers an unsustainable amount of cash and diminishing the standard of living for those people who have lived here all their lives. Something's gotta give.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Getting back to my own state of South Australia, there's bugger all jobs, we're still hovering around the nation's highest unemployment, the most expensive electricity - who would want to set up a major new industry here to sustain that massive new amount of people?
don_dunstan

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/24/south-australias-clean-energy-shift-brings-lowest-power-prices-on-national-grid-audit-finds

Who knows, if SA builds more renewables the cheap power might attract industry.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The only reason the Vic government would bother to prolong the service is because how bad it'd look on them if they discontinued a rail service in this day and age.

As I said before, won't lose them any votes and won't win them any critical votes - whichever way they choose to go. For the average punter, the future of the Overland wouldn't rate in the top 100 of their 'concerns'. Other than the odd gunzel, it's highly unlikely to influence their voting choices.
bingley hall

That of course depends in where in the state you live and what your individual circumstances are but I do take your point.

Regarding the cost of power, SA recently had a major drop in the price of wholesale power making it one of the lowest producers in the country a point which has been missed by the media and especially the Liberal party leader in the state of South Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/24/south-australias-clean-energy-shift-brings-lowest-power-prices-on-national-grid-audit-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

Perhaps the SA Government has been right on the renewable s approach afterall?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Regarding the cost of power, SA recently had a major drop in the price of wholesale power making it one of the lowest producers in the country a point which has been missed by the media and especially the Liberal party leader in the state of South Australia.
bevans

......and don_dunstan Razz
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
That of course depends in where in the state you live and what your individual circumstances are but I do take your point.

Regarding the cost of power, SA recently had a major drop in the price of wholesale power making it one of the lowest producers in the country a point which has been missed by the media and especially the Liberal party leader in the state of South Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/24/south-australias-clean-energy-shift-brings-lowest-power-prices-on-national-grid-audit-finds?CMP=share_btn_tw

Perhaps the SA Government has been right on the renewable s approach afterall?
bevans
The reality is not nearly as good as it looks in that article. For a start, it's the wholesale price that's dropped, not the retail price which is still the very highest domestic electricity charge in the world. That will change next week however when we lose that title - to Victoria - which will overtake us to have the highest domestic electricity charges in the world. World-class aren't they.

Secondly, solar and wind provide lots of energy at times that the grid simply doesn't need it, which is why the wholesale prices of that energy is dropping to bugger all. There still has to be things like diesel generation and gas peaking plants to ensure that the grid remains stable and these pieces of redundancy are extremely expensive to maintain on stand-by. And the irony is that we wouldn't need them at all if we still had Playford Power station operating in Port Augusta, so they're a necessary part of providing part-renewable energy to the grid.

Yay South Australia - the highest penetration of unreliable energy sources in the nation and all we had to do for that privilege was pay the highest domestic electricity charges in the world. Lucky us.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
FWIW a correspondent reports today's train was power van, baggage, 5 coaches and a buffet. It was fully booked with barely an enthusiast in sight. Apparently the Jetstar dispute has added a few numbers.

Unfortunately no confirmation on the extension as yet.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Does anyone have any actual information about the Overland, seems that there are only seats left on the Adelaide-Melbourne service on Monday the 30th which at this stage would seem to be the final service...?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
FWIW a correspondent reports today's train was power van, baggage, 5 coaches and a buffet. It was fully booked with barely an enthusiast in sight. Apparently the Jetstar dispute has added a few numbers.

Unfortunately no confirmation on the extension as yet.
bingley hall
Both posted @ exactly the same time. No word on what's happening though -

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