Sorry I may be a little bit slow on the uptake, but I don't quite get what you mean in saying that sims was not reading what you previously said about T5. If you're referring to your suggested Y link north of Cabramatta to allow commuters on the South Line between Cabramatta and Granville to backtrack to Bankstown and interchange to the metro, then I've already expressed my view that it would be a waste. In respect of T5 continuing to Parramatta, or alternatively some services terminating at a new platform at Granville, either way, forcing interchange to T1 isn't exactly going to go down well with the locals, who previously would have enjoyed a direct service to the CBD. Realistically, that's never going to happen, when some of the seats in this area are now more marginal. Parramatta is already a Liberal held seat.Firstly, as sims has already pointed out, it's unrealistic to expect commuters north of Cabramatta on the South Line to back-track to Cabramatta or Liverpool to interchange to the currently planned metro at Bankstown or any possible extension to Liverpool. A Y link at Cabramatta would be a waste, just as it was with the proposed Y link from Casula to the East Hills Line. They realistically have no option but to travel to the CBD via Granville and the Western Line corridor. Expecting them to travel to Parramatta via T5 and change to T1 to the CBD is naïve to say the least.Sim's didn't read what I said, so don't quote him.
Just like everything with this Government's metro agenda, it's planning on the run and they've never really sat down and thought things through, particularly in how it impacts on the current rail network. Although I've never been in favour of the Bankstown Line conversion to metro, when there were other options, if it proceeds as seems likely, then it would have been preferable if they had stuck to their original proposal to also convert the existing lines beyond Bankstown to Cabramatta and Lidcombe to metro. It would have avoided the ridiculous situation now faced by some who will be cut off from a direct train service to the CBD without interchanging to the metro. Again, as an example of not thinking things through, if they had also proposed extending the metro from Cabramatta to Liverpool as a quad extension to the existing line, then it may have received far broader community acceptance.
No, I disagree there is no option and I'm not saying force them but if you can offer a comparable or faster time, why not?
It gets down to practicality and overall cost. How much would it cost to build the sexup from Lidcombe as well as the numerous other works required to accommodate what is a relatively low traffic flow vs how much does it cost to go the other way and can you do it faster or similar. The previous govt did pretty much the same thing at Lidcombe.
I never said change at Paramatta to head to the city, I said build a 5th platform at Granville, again repeating what occured for Lidcombe. However provided you provide a comparable similar or better services via Bankstown, then no problem. Ignoring the Metro for now, the Western Corridor is congested, inefficient, overloaded and in many areas expensive to expand. Where as the Bankstown line is the opposite. Built the Y, Quad part of the corridor and get them to work faster or similar to now. Makes any future work on the western corridor simpler.
Back to the Metro, at a guess it was cut short for a few reasons and while I cannot blame them for doing so, I do not think 5 years later that still no solution on the table is acceptable. I think it was canned because
- Tunnel faced unknown costs
- Patronage is not that high
- Going via Sefton is too slow
- Leaving Sefton DD leaves open the option of a future route via Lidcombe again
- Potential for LR conversion (god help us if this happened)
- Cost, the route to Bankstown was already $10B, another $2B to do the rest is pushing the friendship of the budget.
- Timing, too far in the future, save the announcement for another day.
However, as I said there needs to be a solution proposed soon and I suspect the next election maybe it.
Building the sextup is not just about providing extra capacity on the South Line via Regents Park or Granville. In fact that's just a by-product of amplifying the Western Line corridor from Parramatta to the CBD, which provides the most benefit to that heavily congested corridor as well as the Northern Line. The previous Labor government's Clearways program to provide turn-backs at Homebush and Lidcombe, welcome as it was at the time to provide some relief on the Western Line, is only a short-term fix. They should also have taken a longer term view, in conjunction with their Western Express proposal, to complete sextuplication between Homebush and Parramatta. If that had happened, we wouldn't even be having this discussion now about Metro West, which would be pushed further into the future.
With increasing pressure on the State budget and the prospect of selling off more State assets looking a lot thinner, it is questionable whether many of these metro proposals will get off the ground, at least in the time-frame suggested, and that includes an extension from Bankstown to Liverpool. Sooner or later, the increasing congestion on the existing network because of the rising patronage is going to force the hand of the government of the day, of whatever persuasion, to re-direct greater funding to address its deficiencies and delay further investment in expanding the metro system, which will also be needed in the future. It's all a question of priorities, rather than one replacing the other.