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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
YM-Mundrabilla
Certainly at PBR. Oops! sorry YM; Puffing Billy Railway (whew! just dodged an anti-acronym bullet there.) Very Happy
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Certainly at PBR. Oops! sorry YM; Puffing Billy Railway (whew! just dodged an anti-acronym bullet there.) Very Happy
Valvegear
I might live dangerously by stating I could fly QANTAS to an ANZAC function in VIC then travel to PBR.......
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
YM-Mundrabilla
Tickets were used for the section Eltham to Hurstbridge when the train under the ticket was stabling at Hurstbridge.
I've also witnessed it in use between Gheringhap and Warrenheip in 1993/94.
https://pilbararailways.com.au/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=307
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I might live dangerously by stating I could fly QANTAS to an ANZAC function in VIC then travel to PBR.......
"petan"
. . . on an EMU courtesy of PTV.Very Happy
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I might live dangerously by stating I could fly QANTAS to an ANZAC function in VIC then travel to PBR.......
. . . on an EMU courtesy of PTV.Very Happy
Valvegear
You blokes are just too clever.
FIGJAM, ban me now:lol:
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Michaelgm, Petan and Valvegear,

Sorry, but you are mere amateurs at acronyms here on RP. The ones you quote are all either Australian Rail or other well known ones - even to me.

If you are to be elevated to professional acronym status (PAS) you will need to work harder on the use of more esoteric acronyms (EA), especially those outside the prime thrust of this website which is, of course, Australian Rail. I suggest that you look to the automobile industry, electricity generation or metal smelting. Perhaps a few unexplained Pommie ones would help you as well.

Should you need help there are several posters here on RP who, I am sure, will be able to assist you with additional acronyms (AA) provided that you don't wish to know what the bloody hell they are talking about. Rolling Eyes

Renowned as I am for TT&D* I wish you all a MC&HNY** Smile

* Tolerance, tact and diplomacy
** Merry Christmas and Happy New Year  
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Renowned as I am for TT&D* I wish you all a MC&HNY
"YM-Mundrabilla"
And the STY, YM.




STY = Same To You
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
YM-Mundrabilla
Tickets were used for the section Eltham to Hurstbridge when the train under the ticket was stabling at Hurstbridge.
I've also witnessed it in use between Gheringhap and Warrenheip in 1993/94.
https://pilbararailways.com.au/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=307
"Toad Montgomery"
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
YM-Mundrabilla
Tickets were used for the section Eltham to Hurstbridge when the train under the ticket was stabling at Hurstbridge.
I've also witnessed it in use between Gheringhap and Warrenheip in 1993/94.
https://pilbararailways.com.au/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=307
"Toad Montgomery"
"david harvey"
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
As Monty Python would say, "And now for something completely different."

I'm sure someone will know this off the top of the head - how many operating rail tunnels are there in NSW? (I do know that there are some dis-used.)
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

I'll make a start, and I'm  happy to be corrected. I'm  not familiar with all these areas.
Illawarra                             12
South                                   4
Canberra Branch                2?
West                                    12
Short North                         7
Nth Coast                            3
Main North                          1
Suburban                             1
Illa mountain                       3
Ulan                                      3
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Michaelgm, Petan and Valvegear,

Sorry, but you are mere amateurs at acronyms here on RP. The ones you quote are all either Australian Rail or other well known ones - even to me.

If you are to be elevated to professional acronym status (PAS) you will need to work harder on the use of more esoteric acronyms (EA), especially those outside the prime thrust of this website which is, of course, Australian Rail. I suggest that you look to the automobile industry, electricity generation or metal smelting. Perhaps a few unexplained Pommie ones would help you as well.

Should you need help there are several posters here on RP who, I am sure, will be able to assist you with additional acronyms (AA) provided that you don't wish to know what the bloody hell they are talking about. Rolling Eyes

Renowned as I am for TT&D* I wish you all a MC&HNY** Smile

* Tolerance, tact and diplomacy
** Merry Christmas and Happy New Year  
YM-Mundrabilla
All of Railpage bows down to your superior acronym usage.

Is it not the case that the more correct form for addressing you in written communications is in fact YM-Mundrabilla PITA* with post-nominals included, rather than the informal YM-Mundrabilla you normally use on the forum?

* Professional Institute of Transport Acronyms, but could possibly be something else Wink
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I'm sure someone will know this off the top of the head - how many operating rail tunnels are there in NSW? (I do know that there are some dis-used.)
Valvegear
Rolfeworld has a pretty complete list, though I am not sure if it's completely accurate and covers both abandoned and in-service tunnels.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
I'll make a start, and I'm  happy to be corrected. I'm  not familiar with all these areas.
Illawarra                             12
South                                   4
Canberra Branch                2?
West                                    12
Short North                         7
Nth Coast                            3
Main North                          1
Suburban                             1
Illa mountain                       3
Ulan                                      3
fzr560
Not sure about other areas but suggest your count of three for the North coast may be a typo as perhaps you meant to add a digit in the 'tens' column to make it thirteen. As KRviator, noted Rolfeworld has a pretty good tally and his is 13 for the north coast within NSW. The border tunnel counts as NSW as the state border is partway through.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

I'll make a start, and I'm  happy to be corrected. I'm  not familiar with all these areas.
Illawarra                             12
South                                   4
Canberra Branch                2?
West                                    12
Short North                         7
Nth Coast                            3
Main North                          1
Suburban                             1
Illa mountain                       3
Ulan                                      3
Not sure about other areas but suggest your count of three for the North coast may be a typo as perhaps you meant to add a digit in the 'tens' column to make it thirteen. As KRviator, noted Rolfeworld has a pretty good tally and his is 13 for the north coast within NSW. The border tunnel counts as NSW as the state border is partway through.
petan
Thanks Petan. I'd suggest that Rolfeworlds list makes my guesses completely surplus to requirements.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
"YM-Mundrabilla"
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
david harvey
The embarrassing question being:
What happened to David's post? Smile
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
The embarrassing question being:
What happened to David's post? Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
Sorry about that Chief
due to tecnocract problems
When I under took Train Order Training with the PTC in 1988 in was very much like the SAR Train Orders ,of course with variations, but basicly a train could have 2 runs and a cross , meaning depart station A cross train at station B then proceed station C . The system was running well and as a driver mate of mine told me policy changed ,not sure why  but trains were only to be issued orders that read proceed from Station A to Station B cross train No ??? ,then a new order is issued proceed to Station C. Train order were never issued on the run , always at a Train Order terminal station either manned or if  unmanned then it is issued by Train to base radio (train controller to locomotive) David
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
david harvey
Staff and Ticket working is alive and well in Victoria  It is being used on the Maryborough at Ararat line and for the real adventurus ,one can even real behind a real ,not a tourist railway but Public Transport Corporation run two passenger trains under the staff and ticket system Catch the Pass from Southern Cross  to Ararat and the last 100 kilometres from Ballarat to Ararat is Staff and Ticket ,with ticket boxes and tickets can be issued . Or for the traveller who likes to spend a little more time away catch the pass from Southern Cross  to Bairnsdale were the last 120 kilometres from Traralgon 2Bairnsdale is Train Staff and Ticket with Sale opening as an intermediate Staff Station when required So catch the Vlocity railcar to these two destinations,
2018 tecnology with 1870 safeworking sheer luxury with piece of mind
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Michaelgm, Petan and Valvegear,

Sorry, but you are mere amateurs at acronyms here on RP. The ones you quote are all either Australian Rail or other well known ones - even to me.

If you are to be elevated to professional acronym status (PAS) you will need to work harder on the use of more esoteric acronyms (EA), especially those outside the prime thrust of this website which is, of course, Australian Rail. I suggest that you look to the automobile industry, electricity generation or metal smelting. Perhaps a few unexplained Pommie ones would help you as well.

Should you need help there are several posters here on RP who, I am sure, will be able to assist you with additional acronyms (AA) provided that you don't wish to know what the bloody hell they are talking about. Rolling Eyes

Renowned as I am for TT&D* I wish you all a MC&HNY** Smile

* Tolerance, tact and diplomacy
** Merry Christmas and Happy New Year  
All of Railpage bows down to your superior acronym usage.

Is it not the case that the more correct form for addressing you in written communications is in fact YM-Mundrabilla PITA* with post-nominals included, rather than the informal YM-Mundrabilla you normally use on the forum?

* Professional Institute of Transport Acronyms, but could possibly be something else Wink
justapassenger
'* Professional Institute of Transport Acronyms, but could possibly be something else'

Thanks JaP
PITA is yet another example of the potential confusion which may result from unexplained acronyms despite there being little doubt about 'PITA'. Smile
BWf2020 (Best Wishes for 2020.
YM (PITA)

Smile
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Whether Train Orders in Victoria (anywhere these days) are issued through a cross or crosses?
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
The embarrassing question being:
What happened to David's post? Smile
Sorry about that Chief
due to tecnocract problems
When I under took Train Order Training with the PTC in 1988 in was very much like the SAR Train Orders ,of course with variations, but basicly a train could have 2 runs and a cross , meaning depart station A cross train at station B then proceed station C . The system was running well and as a driver mate of mine told me policy changed ,not sure why  but trains were only to be issued orders that read proceed from Station A to Station B cross train No ??? ,then a new order is issued proceed to Station C. Train order were never issued on the run , always at a Train Order terminal station either manned or if  unmanned then it is issued by Train to base radio (train controller to locomotive) David
david harvey
Thanks David.
When Train Orders (TOs) were introduced on the Trans in the mid 1960s I think that Orders through a cross were allowed. In those days Orders were taken concurrently by the Guard and the Fireman at phone pillboxes at the various crossing loops. Details of the Order issued to opposing trains were also included as an additional safeguard.
No doubt Orders are now issued by radio but I have a feeling that they are no longer issued through a cross. There was a near miss at Tarcoola a few years ago at Tarcoola where confusion apparently reigned IIRC. (There is an interesting ATSB Report on this).
I have no knowledge of TOs in Victoria although I imagine that they would be different from those used elsewhere in some details at least.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
Staff and Ticket working is alive and well in Victoria  It is being used on the Maryborough at Ararat line and for the real adventurus ,one can even real behind a real ,not a tourist railway but Public Transport Corporation run two passenger trains under the staff and ticket system Catch the Pass from Southern Cross  to Ararat and the last 100 kilometres from Ballarat to Ararat is Staff and Ticket ,with ticket boxes and tickets can be issued . Or for the traveller who likes to spend a little more time away catch the pass from Southern Cross  to Bairnsdale were the last 120 kilometres from Traralgon 2Bairnsdale is Train Staff and Ticket with Sale opening as an intermediate Staff Station when required So catch the Vlocity railcar to these two destinations,
2018 tecnology with 1870 safeworking sheer luxury with piece of mind
david harvey
Thanks again David.

Could you please clarify for me:

  • Is Traralgon - Bairnsdale one Staff Section or are their two sections Traralgon - Sale - Bairnsdale?
  • If it is normally one section and Sale is an Intermediate Staff Station 'When Necessary' is the Staff 'Divisible' or how is this handled?

Just curious.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale Wharf
Thanks David.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that the Tea and Sugar was rescheduled late in its life no doubt due to the reduction in Gangs etc at line locations.
We have yet to unearth someone who can answer:
  • Are Tickets used, either regularly or occasionally, in Victoria under Staff and Ticket working?
Staff and Ticket working is alive and well in Victoria  It is being used on the Maryborough at Ararat line and for the real adventurus ,one can even real behind a real ,not a tourist railway but Public Transport Corporation run two passenger trains under the staff and ticket system Catch the Pass from Southern Cross  to Ararat and the last 100 kilometres from Ballarat to Ararat is Staff and Ticket ,with ticket boxes and tickets can be issued . Or for the traveller who likes to spend a little more time away catch the pass from Southern Cross  to Bairnsdale were the last 120 kilometres from Traralgon 2Bairnsdale is Train Staff and Ticket with Sale opening as an intermediate Staff Station when required So catch the Vlocity railcar to these two destinations,
2018 tecnology with 1870 safeworking sheer luxury with piece of mind
Thanks again David.

Could you please clarify for me:

  • Is Traralgon - Bairnsdale one Staff Section or are their two sections Traralgon - Sale - Bairnsdale?
  • If it is normally one section and Sale is an Intermediate Staff Station 'When Necessary' is the Staff 'Divisible' or how is this handled?

Just curious.
YM-Mundrabilla
Hello  I am now on a I T connection that works , The Traralgon - Bairnsdale is one Staff Section with its own ticket box                The section  Traralgon - Sale  has it own ticket box - The section   Sale -  Bairnsdale  has it own ticket box. Sale station is used as a permanent station ,I will say permanent as every time I have been though there on the train the short sections have been used for years.  One of the  Traralgon - Bairnsdale  Staff ticket boxes is kept at Bairnsdale in the Safe-working room (thats a new term) with the Traralgon - Bairnsdale  Staff secured in a locked box.


so its T.T.F.N  and a B.W for the N,Y (Tut,Tar, for now)
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Not really an embarrassing question but a small one. What was the first diesel locomotive to travel east to west all the way?  Sydney to Perth or vv.

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