USA v Iran and Issues

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
USA took out their military leader and a short time ago Iran fired missiles at two us bases in Iraq.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Things have really ramped up here, in retribution for the death of General Qassem Suleimani, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has launched dozens of missiles at U.S Bases in Iraq, it will indeed be very interesting to see how Trump responds over this - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/iran-crisis-missiles-launched-against-us-airbase-in-iraq/ar-BBYICer?ocid=spartanntp
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Trump will do his celebrated impersonation of "Trump the Tough."  You see; he's allowed to go into another country and kill someone whilst condemning any others who do the same - they're terrorists but he isn't. It's called the double standard.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I only hope both sides now show restraint and hold off from lobbing any more missiles.

Meanwhile, it's possible that an Iranian defence SAM just took out a Ukrainian airliner departing Tehran killing 180 on board....

Ukraine are neutral in regards to Iran. Perhaps now they won't be.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I only hope both sides now show restraint and hold off from lobbing any more missiles.

Meanwhile, it's possible that an Iranian defence SAM just took out a Ukrainian airliner departing Tehran killing 180 on board....

Ukraine are neutral in regards to Iran. Perhaps now they won't be.
Carnot
It says the pilot apparently reported no emergency onboard at the time, if Iran did blow them out of the sky, they could have just made a biiiggg mistake....
  Trans-Siberian Station Master

Location: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia
USA took out their military leader and a short time ago Iran fired missiles at two us bases in Iraq.
bevans

....While brother Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin) had forgone his Christmas Dinner for the reading of Bashar Hafez al-Assad's  report card...!
  Trans-Siberian Station Master

Location: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia
I only hope both sides now show restraint and hold off from lobbing any more missiles.

Meanwhile, it's possible that an Iranian defence SAM just took out a Ukrainian airliner departing Tehran killing 180 on board....

Ukraine are neutral in regards to Iran. Perhaps now they won't be.
It says the pilot apparently reported no emergency onboard at the time, if Iran did blow them out of the sky, they could have just made a biiiggg mistake....
lsrailfan

Like the USS Vincennes shooting down Iran Air 655 passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas...!?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I only hope both sides now show restraint and hold off from lobbing any more missiles.

Meanwhile, it's possible that an Iranian defence SAM just took out a Ukrainian airliner departing Tehran killing 180 on board....

Ukraine are neutral in regards to Iran. Perhaps now they won't be.
It says the pilot apparently reported no emergency onboard at the time, if Iran did blow them out of the sky, they could have just made a biiiggg mistake....

Like the USS Vincennes shooting down Iran Air 655 passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai via Bandar Abbas...!?
Trans-Siberian
Point taken, that too was a mistake on the U.S'S part.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
President Trump will address the nation sometime today (I.E Tomorrow our time), people are suggesting that he won't spell out what he is going to do exactly, but rather just tell the American people what has gone down so to speak.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If Iran shot the Ukraine aircraft down (and I am almost certain they didn’t) then they managed to take down an aircraft that Iranians as the most numerous group on board... Not that clever really. Unless of course preventing Iranian nationals of leaving the country is the name of the game.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Iran culture 3000 years and still going , who they trust now compared to how things started back then don't know. History of the world with this USA at the wheel well known mostly war invasion monopoly of USD goodbye gold hello brave new world but our worry petrol  2.00 Dollars a litre if you believe his story .
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
This is madness!
I recall Trump - before he was first elected President - saying he didn't think the USA should be in the business of 'regime change'/foreign assassinations etc. but here he is now doing just that, like every preceding President in recent memory.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If ever there was a regime that needed to be changed - Iran would be it.

That said, taking out a single minister is hardly a regime change.

By chance I spoke to an Iranian lady with family still there last Saturday and she was fully supporting the US and any other nation that acted against the Iranian government.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If Iran shot the Ukraine aircraft down (and I am almost certain they didn’t) then they managed to take down an aircraft that Iranians as the most numerous group on board... Not that clever really. Unless of course preventing Iranian nationals of leaving the country is the name of the game.
Aaron
There's another possibility to be considered - some lieutenant panicked and hit the button without there being a command level decision to shoot it down.

If ever there was a regime that needed to be changed - Iran would be it.
Aaron
Things didn't go too well last time that was said.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

If ever there was a regime that needed to be changed - Iran would be it.

That said, taking out a single minister is hardly a regime change.

By chance I spoke to an Iranian lady with family still there last Saturday and she was fully supporting the US and any other nation that acted against the Iranian government.
Aaron
Ask your Iranian friend if she supported the last Shah of Iran. It was due to the US's unwavering support of that despot that we are in the situation we are in today. I suspect their support was more to do with oil than any love of ancient Iranian culture, or former Persian culture.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Ask your Iranian friend if she supported the last Shah of Iran. It was due to the US's unwavering support of that despot that we are in the situation we are in today.
nswtrains
The US support of the last Shah didn't just waver, they pulled it completely.

Once Jimmy Carter's representatives were told by Ayatollah Khomeini that Khomeini's faction had no animosity with the USA, Carter told the Shah to leave Iran promptly and hand over the keys to the Islamic Republic faction led by Khomeini.

Oops.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

I knew some Iranians Rohan who was Baha  i faith and would say Alla for God. Easy going relax guy loved to work but was on DSP and another guy who said he wanted to start a tribe here, Treated the Koran like silk and told me women where dumb. So a Fraser Anning voter maybe.Thats 2010/12 Jews live in Iran and christens too.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

And there are barely any Jews left and many Christians are imprisoned and tortured in horrific conditions because they converted from Islam. Many of the boat people who have fled the joint are Christian or Baha'i. And even a few Zoroastrians.

The Mullahs run the show and are deeply insecure and paranoid, especially given most Iranians (including of the Muslim majority) can't stand them.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Biggest getho of Jews in a Muslim country maybe 7 in total. Buddhist are knocking people,  Chinese mystery are knocking people too remember Tibet , but ww3 for Honkers, Taiwan , white people for everything caucasian have done for humanity. what?  I think I understand about biblical people is God is over everything follow Koran but interpretation it's for you who. God is the giver so you give to make him give, nice style.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
JAP, I still don’t think it was shot down, there didn’t seem to be much of breakup midair, and from 8,000ft I think it would be more broken up before impact.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Oil price barely moved on the attack, went up a few $ then quickly back.

The world has grown accustomed to this BS and Iran isn't a oil exporter to most of the world anyway with the rest of the GCC along with Russia controlling supply to sustain the oil price at a comfortable profit margin, so plenty of ramp up production available. The US is also now an oil exporter having reduced their importation to less than 40%. So as for $2/L, no!

Iranian constitution has two seats in govt reserved for one Jewish and one Zi....... (what ever its called). However most have migrated over the past 40 years so they don't represent too many. Yes, there isn't a large tolerance for converting away from Islam. Ironically most Iranian's who have left Iran moved to Nth America. Even in Iran, talk to any Iranian expat and they will say there is limited genuine support for the govt as they can see what the govt has done to their countries economy, basically for no reason other than chest beating.

In Dubai, the airline crash was announced on the radio at 6am as driving to work with a message from Iranian govt stating it was a technical fault, normally such comments don't come so the Iranian's are very quick to state it wasn't the US or intentional from their side. If it was a military "glitch" I guess we will soon see, still 200 people don't deserve to be killed because the military again cannot tell the difference between a passenger jet and some from military.

Its interesting that the American's , sorry Trump decided to take out this guy. They did it in Iraq as doing it in Iran is an act of war by most bench marks, although most would say its still an act of war (WW1) and basically defined by some as a military assassination which is illegal under US law as signed off by I think Pres Ford.  There isn't alot of support for this in the US going by media reports as only the red necks support Trump based on his word. The Iraqi's are certainly "pi$$ed" and the report from KSA to Iraqi leadership is that the Crown Prince told the Iraqi leader now is the time for restraint, ie don't bite the hand!
  C2 Junior Train Controller

I bought fuel yesterday 145 Seymour 135 kylsyth , Shell mountain hwyvBayswater 175. Same day yesterday Thursday.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

I bought fuel yesterday 145 Seymour 135 kylsyth , Shell mountain hwyvBayswater 175. Same day yesterday Thursday.
C2
I've no doubt that you know what you're talking about but with the benefit of hindsight, do you think everybody else is in the same boat?
  C2 Junior Train Controller

That the price of petrol in a forum discusing petrol war or another oil war  Why do some people ask if trains run to Melbourne Port in a forum discusing trains from Doohen.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

They did it in Iraq as doing it in Iran is an act of war by most bench marks, although most would say its still an act of war (WW1) and basically defined by some as a military assassination which is illegal under US law as signed off by I think Pres Ford.
RTT_Rules
Ford issued an Executive Order banning direct US involvement in political assassinations, and Carter followed it with one that also bans indirect involvement.

But as these are only Executive Orders rather than Acts of Congress, they can be simply bypassed by a Presidential Finding stating that the order does not apply in this case because (insert reasons).

If the US was in a state of war with Iran, a Presidential Finding would probably not be necessary because Qassem Soleimani was a commissioned military officer and not a civilian politician. It would have be a legal act of war, equivalent to the US shooting down of Admiral Yamamoto during WWII.

The point regarding doing it in Iraq (where the US had permission to conduct operations) instead of Iran (where the US has no permission to conduct operations) is still correct.

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